Versus Battle Post Rose Meruem vs Charlotte Katakuri

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Post Rose Meruem high diff

 

[Shuyaku]

What even is the greatest speed feat in OP bar the Synthetic Lightning and Lazers feats. And also DF users such Kizaru and Kuma.

Cinera listed a couple in the Netero thread iirc

 

[Chrono]

Cinera listed a couple in the Netero thread iirc

The only one that is noteworthy is the Marco feat. Other than that the rest have problems to it.

And we can easily say that Marco feat was PIS since no one else has acc feats reacting to Kizaru's lazers.

 

[Finalbeta]

Post Rose Meruem high diff

Maybe

He is a mountain + buster after all

 

[Shuyaku]

The only one that is noteworthy is the Marco feat. Other than that the rest have problems to it.

And we can easily say that Marco feat was PIS since no one else has acc feats reacting to Kizaru's lazers.

What issues are there to the other feats ? Idk how Cin got 4 digit mach for the meteor reaction feat, but if you take the low end value that’s an easy mach 200+ feat. And Katakuri’s speed dumps both Doffy and especially Law.

How is that PIS ? Rayleigh intercepted Kizaru with no issues. Whitebeard only got hit by Kizaru via cheap shots.

 

[Chrono]

What issues are there to the other feats ? Idk how Cin got 4 digit mach for the meteor reaction feat, but if you take the low end value that’s an easy mach 200+ feat. And Katakuri’s speed dumps both Doffy and especially Law.

How is that PIS ? Rayleigh intercepted Kizaru with no issues. Whitebeard only got hit by Kizaru via cheap shots.

Yh but I dont think Oda is using the acc speeds of a meteorite. Reacting to it is one thing.....but Fujitora's fodders and nerfed Ceaser could move fast enough to evade it after seeing it in the sky. Meaning they can move faster than that speed in movement.


I feel like in terms of Oda's inconsistent speed scaling we should use the lowest ball. The slowest speed of a meteroite is 11km/s. Which is Mach 30. If the fodder couldnt outrun it, Id say the feat was mach 200 tho.....but since Oda doesnt really give a fuck. We gotta at the very least use the lower ball.



As for the Rayleigh one. Theirs no telling if Kizaru even moved before Rayleigh hit him. And also clashing with a base Kizaru dont make you LS. Thats his human speed.
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The average speed of a meteor is mach 58. Id leave it at that.

 

[Shuyaku]

Yh but I dont think Oda is using the acc speeds of a meteorite. Reacting to it is one thing.....but Fujitora's fodders and nerfed Ceaser could move fast enough to evade it after seeing it in the sky. Meaning they can move faster than that speed in movement.


I feel like in terms of Oda's inconsistent speed scaling we should use the lowest ball. The slowest speed of a meteroite is 11km/s. Which is Mach 30. If the fodder couldnt outrun it, Id say the feat was mach 200 tho.....but since Oda doesnt really give a fuck. We gotta at the very least use the lower ball.



As for the Rayleigh one. Theirs no telling if Kizaru even moved before Rayleigh hit him. And also clashing with a base Kizaru dont make you LS. Thats his human speed.

Yeah i agree about the meteor. Kizaru isn’t really pis for Marco though, just because he’s the only one to intercept his lazers properly. PIs would be the pre-ts Supernovas reacting to him rather, Marco is in a different ballpark than those fodders, and not THAT far below an admiral.

 

[Chrono]

Yeah i agree about the meteor. Kizaru isn’t really pis for Marco though, just because he’s the only one to intercept his lazers properly. PIs would be the pre-ts Supernovas reacting to him rather, Marco is in a different ballpark than those fodders, and not THAT far below an admiral.

I guess your right. The only other logical conclusion is the lazer isnt LS. I hate to use that argument. But it seems like the most obvious concept. Since the lazers have:

- Mass
- Dont reflect
- Dot move in a straight line

You could argue that Oda doesnt know how Light would acc work. But he made YNK have no mass, reflect and move in straight lines. He seem consistent with this, which makes me believe this and the LS kicks are the only LS moves he has.


Being a DF user, hed have control of how his photons would work. Like how Aokiji has control over his temperature. Kizaru making his lazers destructive in expense of his LS speed is possible.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

It’s possible that the lasers are plasma. Which means they could only travel on similar speeds as lightning.

 

[Chrono]

I guess your right. The only other logical conclusion is the lazer isnt LS. I hate to use that argument. But it seems like the most obvious concept. Since the lazers have:

- Mass
- Dont reflect
- Dot move in a straight line

You could argue that Oda doesnt know how Light would acc work. But he made YNK have no mass, reflect and move in straight lines. He seem consistent with this, which makes me believe this and the LS kicks are the only LS moves he has.


Being a DF user, hed have control of how his photons would work. Like how Aokiji has control over his temperature. Kizaru making his lazers destructive in expense of his LS speed is possible.

Would also explain why some of his attacks have more DC than others.

It’s possible that the lasers are plasma. Which means they could only travel on similar speeds as lightning.

Plasma is far too hot to be comparable to Kizaru's lazers.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Would also explain why some of his attacks have more DC than others.




Plasma is far too hot to be comparable to Kizaru's lazers.

Lightning is literally plasma so I doubt it. Lasers entire power is heat too, and Kizaru’s lasers had enough penetrating power to get through Marco’s block. Something Akainu couldn’t.

 

[Chrono]

Lightning is literally plasma so I doubt it. Lasers entire power is heat too, and Kizaru’s lasers had enough penetrating power to get through Marco’s block. Something Akainu couldn’t.

Plasma is ionised gas and forms in the air due to the energy from lightning It also only forms for a few millieseconds.

Kizaru's lazers arent hotter than Akainu's magma come on.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Plasma is ionised gas and forms in the air due to the energy from lightning It also only forms for a few millieseconds.

Kizaru's lazers arent hotter than Akainu's magma come on.

A laser’s power comes from its heat.

Akainu’s magma couldn’t get passed Marco’s defenses when Marco defended Luffy.

Kizaru penetrated Marco’s skull when his lasers hit Marco.

Kizaru’s AP is >> most others

 

[Chrono]

A laser’s power comes from its heat.

Akainu’s magma couldn’t get passed Marco’s defenses when Marco defended Luffy.

Kizaru penetrated Marco’s skull when his lasers hit Marco.

Kizaru’s AP is >> most others

Didnt Marco just fly past them and let it through him ?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Didnt Marco just fly past them and let it through him ?

I’m referring to when he blocked them to save WB.

 

[Chrono]

Even if Kizaru's lazers are hotter. They are not as hot as Plasma.
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I’m referring to when he blocked them to save WB.

Then when did they even penetrate Marco ?

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Even if Kizaru's lazers are hotter. They are not as hot as Plasma.
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Then when did they even penetrate Marco ?

I’m not sure what you’re getting at

 

[Chrono]

I’m not sure what you’re getting at

You said Kizaru'a lazers could go through Marco's block. But they didnt.

 

[Sentinel]

You said Kizaru'a lazers could go through Marco's block. But they didnt.

They did. Marco had holes on his entire body.

 

[Chrono]

They did. Marco had holes on his entire body.

Hes talking about the first block.

He wasnt even blocking when he got holes through his body. He was just flying through them.