Versus Battle Post Rose Meruem vs Charlotte Katakuri
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Well I dont buy the lazers it being LS. Ive stated my reasons and Oda has never stated them being LS. Expecting Kizaru's lazers all to be the same speed, is like expect Aokiji's ice to be all as cold as each other. Expecting all of Enel's lightning to be the same number of volts.
Kizaru has shown different lazers with different DCs. Showing he can control their mass. And knowing Oda knows how real light acts due to his potrayal of YNK. Im sure of the lazers Kizaru shoots not being ftl.
But of course we all have their opinion.
Because hes shown that he needs to turn into light by using YNK to travel at LS. If he could reach distances without YNK. Then yh sure he would be LS. But he seems dependant on it when reaching places quick. And YNK seems like the only ability that actually replicates real life light. I dont think Oda blindly goes into the element of light. He clearly has some understanding of it.
Kizaru has shown different lazers with different DCs. Showing he can control their mass. And knowing Oda knows how real light acts due to his potrayal of YNK. Im sure of the lazers Kizaru shoots not being ftl.
But of course we all have their opinion.
Because hes shown that he needs to turn into light by using YNK to travel at LS. If he could reach distances without YNK. Then yh sure he would be LS. But he seems dependant on it when reaching places quick. And YNK seems like the only ability that actually replicates real life light. I dont think Oda blindly goes into the element of light. He clearly has some understanding of it.
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That is at least sub-relativistic in reaction. Comparable reaction feats for Meruem?
Also lol at pre-supersonic Luffy, you guys should read the entire chapters, not only one scan. It is clear, that neither Luffy nor Zoro are taking the situation seriously.
There is also the fact that Gazelleman kidnapped Toma, it is unwise to force a kid with sub-relativistic speed or higher.
That is at least sub-relativistic in reaction. Comparable reaction feats for Meruem?
Also lol at pre-supersonic Luffy, you guys should read the entire chapters, not only one scan. It is clear, that neither Luffy nor Zoro are taking the situation seriously.
There is also the fact that Gazelleman kidnapped Toma, it is unwise to force a kid with sub-relativistic speed or higher.
Well, that is a problem with most light arguments in fiction. Either they failed in terms of logic, or in terms of later feats if lightning for example blitzes a character that was lightspeed before. You have often this in fiction and that´s why we shouldn´t take the lightelement, nor statements 100% seriously. Still, for Kizaru we have not only the light element, we also have lightspeed statements.
Honestly, i doubt there is something in One Piece, FTL. I see Kizaru at this point as the fastest character by feats. Unless someone can blitz Kizaru, i don´t see someone who is FTL.
What you said is correct. There is no proof that Kizaru can move or attack with LS, unless he turn himself or bodyparts into light. When Kizaru fought against Rayleigh for example we didn´t saw that his body turned into light.
Lightspeed is more, when he doing things like this, this and this. Still, even without turning into light Kizaru is fast enough to be FTE for Supernovas .
Kizaru in a serious point can fight and move at the speed of light, but it is like Enel. He has to attack with the element or turn into this element. People also shouldn´t forget that many OP characters should have CoO, which should allowed them to react even to faster ones like Kizaru, since they can react a moment before. That doesn´t make them lightspeed, since they have precognition, but you still need a speed that should be around sub-relativistic to relativistic+ to keep up with the likes of Kizaru.
The other problem with Kizaru is, that he is a troll, i don´t see him fight serious before lmao.
Honestly, i doubt there is something in One Piece, FTL. I see Kizaru at this point as the fastest character by feats. Unless someone can blitz Kizaru, i don´t see someone who is FTL.
What you said is correct. There is no proof that Kizaru can move or attack with LS, unless he turn himself or bodyparts into light. When Kizaru fought against Rayleigh for example we didn´t saw that his body turned into light.
Lightspeed is more, when he doing things like this, this and this. Still, even without turning into light Kizaru is fast enough to be FTE for Supernovas .
Kizaru in a serious point can fight and move at the speed of light, but it is like Enel. He has to attack with the element or turn into this element. People also shouldn´t forget that many OP characters should have CoO, which should allowed them to react even to faster ones like Kizaru, since they can react a moment before. That doesn´t make them lightspeed, since they have precognition, but you still need a speed that should be around sub-relativistic to relativistic+ to keep up with the likes of Kizaru.
The other problem with Kizaru is, that he is a troll, i don´t see him fight serious before lmao.
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That is at least sub-relativistic in reaction. Comparable reaction feats for Meruem?
Also lol at pre-supersonic Luffy, you guys should read the entire chapters, not only one scan. It is clear, that neither Luffy nor Zoro are taking the situation seriously.
There is also the fact that Gazelleman kidnapped Toma, it is unwise to force a kid with sub-relativistic speed or higher.
That is at least sub-relativistic in reaction. Comparable reaction feats for Meruem?
Also lol at pre-supersonic Luffy, you guys should read the entire chapters, not only one scan. It is clear, that neither Luffy nor Zoro are taking the situation seriously.
There is also the fact that Gazelleman kidnapped Toma, it is unwise to force a kid with sub-relativistic speed or higher.
Luffy reacted to this:
That is at least sub-relativistic in reaction. Comparable reaction feats for Meruem?
Also lol at pre-supersonic Luffy, you guys should read the entire chapters, not only one scan. It is clear, that neither Luffy nor Zoro are taking the situation seriously.
There is also the fact that Gazelleman kidnapped Toma, it is unwise to force a kid with sub-relativistic speed or higher.
That is at least sub-relativistic in reaction. Comparable reaction feats for Meruem?
Also lol at pre-supersonic Luffy, you guys should read the entire chapters, not only one scan. It is clear, that neither Luffy nor Zoro are taking the situation seriously.
There is also the fact that Gazelleman kidnapped Toma, it is unwise to force a kid with sub-relativistic speed or higher.
Why did Kiku call Gazelleman so fast then
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Pitou can cross a forest in a instaneous time span. Whilst Big Mom takes 5 chapters to do so.
First arc Killua can rip through human bodies with ease. Imagine Pitou against YCs.
Pitou can cross a forest in a instaneous time span. Whilst Big Mom takes 5 chapters to do so.
First arc Killua can rip through human bodies with ease. Imagine Pitou against YCs.
Where was it stated?
Maybe because he thought that is impressive, but by that question why it was stated that Kizaru attacks at the speed of light? Should have the same accurcy lol.
Even if the statement is accurate, it is only a term of travel speed. I don´t see how travel speed is relevant if someone is faster in attack and reaction.
Why did Kiku call Gazelleman so fast then
Even if the statement is accurate, it is only a term of travel speed. I don´t see how travel speed is relevant if someone is faster in attack and reaction.
"He lit up the palace at the speed of a flash of light". Ok, thanks, but where did he move or attack at the speed of light?
Only in travel speed if we accept the statement from Gazelleman:
We also saw that he kidnapped Tama. I don´t saw any durability feats from her to survive a speed at MHS+-Relativistic or higher. If we already using here logic, we shouldn´t ignore that not everyone can keep up with the friction which happend is someone is forced to move that fast.
I mean, Luffy and Zoro holding back, they don´t take the whole situation seriously.
I can use the same logic and say Meruem can´t even escape an explosion, what Luffy already did in Punk Hazard.
Either Meruem his reaction speed is bad, or his travel speed. Or both? Joke aside, i don´t think Meruem is slow. I only don´t see him beating Luffy in this term lmao.