General & Others Pound living was ass tier writing

#1
Pound's "death" was one of the biggest highlights of Whole Cake Island. Yeah it was sad that Pound's daughters never knew who he was. But that was the point. That's what made Pound's sacrifice so selfless. He was doing a thing for his daughters that he would never get credit for. His death also raised the stakes of the arc dramatically. First Pedro then Pound, these deaths showed us that dealing with a yonko was serious business and it wasn't just "little pirate games" like pre-skip.

The entirety of the arc had this serious feel to it. Whereas previous arc villains had continuously underestimated the SHs, the big mom pirates were the first ones to take them seriously as a threat and systematically try to destroy them. We saw how the Big Mom pirates plotted and schemed to trap the SHs but ultimately failed due to sanji, germa, and the sun pirates.

The fact that Pound can survive getting sliced in the neck at point blank range by a character FAR stronger than him just gives the impression that nothing really matters in one piece. By some BS plot nonsense Whitebeard and Ace could probably be revived as well. And I know Oda has done this in the past but Pound was the first one that really bothered me. Even moreso than Kinemon.

At least with Kinemon, it was confirmed he was alive only a few chapters after he supposedly died. Oda retconned Pound's death in a fucking cover story. I just don't know how Oda expects people to read chapter 887 in retrospect with full knowledge that pound doesn't die, and feel literally anything.
 
#6
Or Pound living goes to show that the Big Mom Pirates really do honor a sense of family, and no matter how much of a ruthless person Oven can be, he couldn't bring himself to kill the father of his sisters and make it so that they would never get the chance to meet him. The whole bond between the Charlotte siblings was kind of a big theme all throughout the arc.
 
#10
Or Pound living goes to show that the Big Mom Pirates really do honor a sense of family, and no matter how much of a ruthless person Oven can be, he couldn't bring himself to kill the father of his sisters and make it so that they would never get the chance to meet him. The whole bond between the Charlotte siblings was kind of a big theme all throughout the arc.
I could accept this if this was actually something shown in the manga
 

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#11
Or Pound living goes to show that the Big Mom Pirates really do honor a sense of family, and no matter how much of a ruthless person Oven can be, he couldn't bring himself to kill the father of his sisters and make it so that they would never get the chance to meet him. The whole bond between the Charlotte siblings was kind of a big theme all throughout the arc.
Not only was this never shown, Cracker was literally about to decapitate Pound but Luffy stopped him.
 
#14
Or Pound living goes to show that the Big Mom Pirates really do honor a sense of family, and no matter how much of a ruthless person Oven can be, he couldn't bring himself to kill the father of his sisters and make it so that they would never get the chance to meet him. The whole bond between the Charlotte siblings was kind of a big theme all throughout the arc.
Lol wtf are you talking about?:milaugh:

This is such a horrible excuse to defend Pound living.

The Charlotte Siblings were shown to care for each other(Sometimes), but it was shown that they never cared about the husbands/step fathers.

Not only that but Oven was trying to kill Chiffon for her betrayal and didn't care about Pound at all, and you're saying that Oven suddenly couldn't bring himself to kill Pound because of Chiffon and Lola.

Even Cracker almost killed Pound despite knowing that Pound was Chiffon and Lola's father.

Also why would Oven suddenly care about Chiffon after what she did.

The Charlotte Siblings might care for each other at times, but when it comes to betrayal especially something severe like attempting to kill Big Mom then you are officially an enemy to them

Did you seriously forgot about these scenes from the WCI arc.

I've seen you defend Oda's writing at times but this is one of your worst attempts to defend his writing, if Pedro or Yasuie survives I'm pretty sure you find some bs excuse to defend it.:queenhear:


Not only was this never shown, Cracker was literally about to decapitate Pound but Luffy stopped him.
It seems like Celestial was reading a different version of the WCI arc.:doffytroll:
 
#15
Lol wtf are you talking about?:milaugh:

This is such a horrible excuse to defend Pound living.

The Charlotte Siblings were shown to care for each other(Sometimes), but it was shown that they never cared about the husbands/step fathers.

Not only that but Oven was trying to kill Chiffon for her betrayal and didn't care about Pound at all, and you're saying that Oven suddenly couldn't bring himself to kill Pound because of Chiffon and Lola.

Even Cracker almost killed Pound despite knowing that Pound was Chiffon and Lola's father.

Also why would Oven suddenly care about Chiffon after what she did.

The Charlotte Siblings might care for each other at times, but when it comes to betrayal especially something severe like attempting to kill Big Mom then you are officially an enemy to them

Did you seriously forgot about these scenes from the WCI arc.

I've seen you defend Oda's writing at times but this is one of your worst attempts to defend his writing, if Pedro or Yasuie survives I'm pretty sure you find some bs excuse to defend it.:queenhear:




It seems like Celestial was reading a different version of the WCI arc.:doffytroll:
Show me where Oven was about to kill Chiffon for her betrayal. He was going to strike her, but gave no implications that he was going to kill her. That's just your assumption, and he never said anything of the sort about ending her life.

You got a better reasoning as to how Pound survived a blade that was seemingly aimed right towards his neck aside from "Hurr durr, Oda just doesn't want to kill off characters, so he survived."

If Oven wanted Pound dead, he would be dead. Period. There is no debating that. Pound doesn't have impenetrable skin like Kaido. He's not a Lunarian like King. He doesn't have some OP form of Armament Haki. If Oven's intention was a decapitating death blow, then Pound would be dead. This is basic logic, and common sense.

Either Oven is a scrub, and can't even execute a low tier fodder, who wasn't even defending himself. Or his intention was never to kill him in the first place. Pick your poison.
 
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Or Pound living goes to show that the Big Mom Pirates really do honor a sense of family, and no matter how much of a ruthless person Oven can be, he couldn't bring himself to kill the father of his sisters and make it so that they would never get the chance to meet him.
So the best way to execute this idea was to completely off screen it thus giving it zero relevance, meaning and context?

If this was the idea then it would be the most horrendously executed idea I have ever seen in a story.

For starters, it is pretty unbelievable that the same bloke that had no problem with planning to kill his sister, his brother in-law and their infant child, would suddenly have a problem killing his father in-law.
The whole bond between the Charlotte siblings was kind of a big theme all throughout the arc.
Like when Daifuku almost killed his sister Pudding and then slapped her with enough force to launch her several metres?

Or when Oven showed no remorse for planning to kill his sister and her whole family?

The whole arc wasn't filled with examples of how strong the relationships between the Charlotte siblings was but how weak and meaningless those relationships were because they were all completely forced, unnatural and dysfunctional.

Every time a Charlotte found a truly meaningful relationship with someone outside of their family, they prioritised that relationship above that of their family.

Praline prized her relationship with Aladdin and the Sun Pirates over the Charlotte family.

Chiffon prized her relationship with Bege and the Fire Tank Pirates over the Charlotte family.

Pudding prized her days old relationship with Sanji over the Charlotte family.

Even Katakuri prized the importance of his duel with Luffy over his family.

Yeah, Whole Cake Island had themes. A legitimate bond existing between the Charlotte siblings was not one of them.
 
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So the best way to execute this idea was to completely off screen it thus giving it zero relevance, meaning and context?

If this was the idea then it would be the most horrendously executed idea I have ever seen in a story.

For starters, it is pretty unbelievable that the same bloke that had no problem with planning to kill his sister, his brother in-law and their infant child, would suddenly have a problem killing his father in-law.

Like when Daifuku almost killed his sister Pudding band then slapped her with enough force to launch her several metres?

Or when Oven showed no remorse for planning to kill his sister and her whole family?

The whole arc wasn't filled with examples of how strong the relationships between the Charlotte siblings was but how weak and meaningless those relationships were because they were all completely forced, unnatural and dysfunctional.

Every time a Charlotte found a truly meaningful relationship with someone outside of their family, they prioritised that relationship above that of their family.

Praline prized her relationship with Aladdin and the Sun Pirates over the Charlotte family.

Chiffon prized her relationship with Bege and the Fire Tank Pirates over the Charlotte family.

Pudding prized her days old relationship with Sanji over the Charlotte family.

Even Katakuri prized the importance of his duel with Luffy over his family.

Yeah, Whole Cake Island had themes. A legitimate bond existing between the Charlotte siblings was not one of them.
Didn't say it was a good execution on Oda's part, as you can clearly see that the whole scene was designed for "shock value." But if you seriously think that a Veteran pirate, had every intention of killing a low tier fodder, who wasn't even defending himself, with a decapitation, and failed to do so, then I don't know what to tell you. :kayneshrug:
 
#18
Didn't say it was a good execution on Oda's part, as you can clearly see that the whole scene was designed for "shock value." But if you seriously think that a Veteran pirate, had every intention of killing a low tier fodder, who wasn't even defending himself, with a decapitation, and failed to do so, then I don't know what to tell you. :kayneshrug:
Drunk Kaido failed to Kill Tama
 
#19
But if you seriously think that a Veteran pirate, had every intention of killing a low tier fodder, who wasn't even defending himself, with a decapitation, and failed to do so, then I don't know what to tell you. :kayneshrug:
Oven failed to kill Pound because Oda lacked the spine to actually kill him off and Pound escaped off screen because Oda lacked the ability to come up with a good explanation for how a character escaped from an inescapable situation.

There is no in-universe explanation for Pound's nonsensical survival. There is only Oda.
 
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