Future Events Prediction: Admiral Jiaga Valiantly Sacrificed Himself To Save The Reverie Kings (Karasu Vs Fujitora 2.0)

[Blackbeard]

How I imagine @Owl Ki in real life.

 

[soupongo]

Cleaning Wogashi´s room alone would neg your favorite mangaka

 

[Blackbeard]

@nik87

Come and take a look at how this gigachad monk lectures a deaf kid on how lethal swords can be, SchizOda wishes he could reach this level of sword philosophy:

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

@Elder Lee Hung
See like this panel you posted, is a good example of what I'm talking about. It just gives Hara away. He puts so much effort into this, but this is so ugly to look at. It's beyond amateur.

Flat shading and no light source gives the panel no 3D feel. Weak perspective makes it hard to tell the foreground and background apart. Collage ish layering makes everything look stuck on top of each other, rather than part of a real space. Everything is bleeding together making it a visual mess. The panel is trying to be dramatic/impactful but it's just noise, comes off super flat.

Completely disagree as this scene is taking place in broad daylight and half the page is a metaphor and not something that physically exists lmfao

Is this something you would consider an example of good lighting? Because this looks terrible my guy:

 

[Owl Ki]

Another example, look at the water here, it doesn't even look like water thanks to the shading. This looks more like a resin statue figure. The water quite literally looks like it is stuck in space and time. And look at the droplets lmfaoooo, some are angled at the viewer others right beside them are angled elsewhere, it's so amateur.

Objectively, this is not good, at all. Subjectively, I'm fine with it because it makes his art style super unique.

I'm pretty sure that's the point. This scene isn't meant to be some flowing combat scene. It's the pivotal moment of Shin's career, his first Legendary General kill. This is a priceless snapshot of Shin's life.

Also, I gotta love how Hara is an amateur for supposedly angling a raindrop incorrectly but Togashi draws weekly scribbles correctly. Conclusion, Togashi >>> Hara?

 

[Blackbeard]

Don't read Bleach guys

 

[ZenZu]

Completely disagree as this scene is taking place in broad daylight and half the page is a metaphor and not something that physically exists lmfao

That's irrelevant. The things I stated objectively make it amateur. The shading, lighting, perspective (sizes and proportions).

Is this something you would consider an example of good lighting? Because this looks terrible my guy:

This page is amazing for what it is attempting to do. Very well drawn page.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

@nik87

Come and take a look at how this gigachad monk lectures a deaf kid on how lethal swords can be, SchizOda wishes he could reach this level of sword philosophy:

Kojiro was so awesome! Those part of the story was peak.

I need to buy those Vagabond Vizbigs again someday @ZenZu

@Elder Lee Hung
See like this panel you posted, is a good example of what I'm talking about. It just gives Hara away. He puts so much effort into this, but this is so ugly to look at. It's beyond amateur.

Flat shading and no light source gives the panel no 3D feel. Weak perspective makes it hard to tell the foreground and background apart. Collage ish layering makes everything look stuck on top of each other, rather than part of a real space. Everything is bleeding together making it a visual mess. The panel is trying to be dramatic/impactful but it's just noise, comes off super flat.

Thats a panel from the early days of the series though.

 

[Owl Ki]

Don't read Bleach guys

Well he is effectively an afterlife cop, so that checks out.

Spoiler

 

[ZenZu]

I'm pretty sure that's the point. This scene isn't meant to be some flowing combat scene. It's the pivotal moment of Shin's career, his first Legendary General kill. This is a priceless snapshot of Shin's life.

Also, I gotta love how Hara is an amateur for supposedly angling a raindrop incorrectly but Togashi draws weekly scribbles correctly. Conclusion, Togashi >>> Hara?

The raindrop angles isn’t just me nitpicking if the drops fall at inconsistent or impossible angles, it breaks the sense of perspective and the physical logic of the scene. The water ripples and splashes aren't responding to the characters movements the way they should, and the droplets’ trajectories are conflicting. That makes the scene feel less anchored in a real space, even if the narrative moment is dramatic, that's got nothing to do with objectively bad art. The physics and perspective of the water reduces the realism/cohesion of the panel.

It's not like that is Hara's intention, to make the panel look unrealistic, this is just him not being a talented enough artist. That's all this is.

 

[Blackbeard]

Well he is effectively an afterlife cop, so that checks out.

Spoiler

Titty really thought we wouldn't notice...

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

Don't read Bleach guys

this warning is from a user named "black" beard

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

That's irrelevant. The things I stated objectively make it amateur. The shading, lighting, perspective (sizes and proportions).

There is absolutely no way you think Hara is an amateur but Titty Kubo is a pro lmfao. Titty’s art looks so awful, you’re trolling me. Just admit that you like the way Titty draws shapes because that’s literally the only aspect of Titty’s empty detail-less doodles that can even remotely be compared to Hara.

All of Titty’s characters are completely identical from the neck down, they are either generic fantasy samurai wearing nearly indistinguishable robes or giant boobed-monstrosities meant to appeal to the 14 year olds of Titty’s target audience. Or boring ass high school kids. Any manga about fucking high school kids should be flushed down the toilet on principal, and yes that includes MHA.

You absolutely cannot compare Titty’s empty pages with Hara’s brilliance

 

[Blackbeard]

this warning is from a user named "black" beard

Sure it is.

He who has traveled the road knows it best.

 

[Owl Ki]

There is absolutely no way you think Hara is an amateur but Titty Kubo is a pro lmfao. Titty’s art looks so awful, you’re trolling me. Just admit that you like the way Titty draws shapes because that’s literally the only aspect of Titty’s empty detail-less doodles that can even remotely be compared to Hara.

All of Titty’s characters are completely identical from the neck down, they are either generic fantasy samurai wearing nearly indistinguishable robes or giant boobed-monstrosities meant to appeal to the 14 year olds of Titty’s target audience. Or boring ass high school kids. Any manga about fucking high school kids should be flushed down the toilet on principal, and yes that includes MHA.

You absolutely cannot compare Titty’s empty pages with Hara’s brilliance

Oh no.

That picture has a horse.

Zenny will not be happy.

 

[ZenZu]

There is absolutely no way you think Hara is an amateur but Titty Kubo is a pro lmfao. Titty’s art looks so awful, you’re trolling me. Just admit that you like the way Titty draws shapes because that’s literally the only aspect of Titty’s empty detail-less doodles that can even remotely be compared to Hara.

All of Titty’s characters are completely identical from the neck down, they are either generic fantasy samurai wearing nearly indistinguishable robes or giant boobed-monstrosities meant to appeal to the 14 year olds of Titty’s target audience. Or boring ass high school kids. Any manga about fucking high school kids should be flushed down the toilet on principal, and yes that includes MHA.

You absolutely cannot compare Titty’s empty pages with Hara’s brilliance

 

[Owl Ki]

The raindrop angles isn’t just me nitpicking if the drops fall at inconsistent or impossible angles, it breaks the sense of perspective and the physical logic of the scene. The water ripples and splashes aren't responding to the characters movements the way they should, and the droplets’ trajectories are conflicting. That makes the scene feel less anchored in a real space, even if the narrative moment is dramatic, that's got nothing to do with objectively bad art. The physics and perspective of the water reduces the realism/cohesion of the panel.

It's not like that is Hara's intention, to make the panel look unrealistic, this is just him not being a talented enough artist. That's all this is.

It is nitpicking when you say the angle of a raindrop makes Hara's weekly art bad but then you say Togashi is the better artist when the latter outputs this in a week.

Spoiler

Really sassenach?

I've yet to see convincing evidence that Togashi and Kubo are better than Oda, let alone Hara.

 

[ZenZu]

It is nitpicking when you say the angle of a raindrop makes Hara's weekly art bad but then you say Togashi is the better artist when the latter outputs this in a week.

Spoiler

Really sassenach?

I've yet to see convincing evidence that Togashi and Kubo are better than Oda, let alone Hara.

It's not, again you're comparing panels where Hara is actually putting effort into, against scribbles from Togashi. Yes the trajectory of the droplets matter in a high effort panel, it gives away a lack of drawing skill.

Don't know why this is so hard for you to grasp, Bias is a hell of a drug 😂

 

[Owl Ki]

It's not, again you're comparing panels where Hara is actually putting effort into, against scribbles from Togashi. Yes the trajectory of the droplets matter in a high effort panel, it gives away a lack of drawing skill.

What effort? A week's effort? Like I said, art is talent + effort + time. I'm comparing like to like here because I'm comparing weekly Hara to weekly Togashi.

If Togashi's effort in a week results in dogshit scribbles then within the context of the industry those two work in, Togashi produces dogshit scribbles. Lol.

If your counterargument is "Well Togashi after 3+ months makes better art than weekly Hara" then you've pretty much lost the argument altogether. If Togashi needs entire months to match weekly Hara then he flat out isn't as good as Hara.

Give Hara 3+ months and you're probably going to get near Berserk levels of quality.

 

[ZenZu]

What effort? A week's effort? Like I said, art is talent + effort + time. I'm comparing like to like here because I'm comparing weekly Hara to weekly Togashi.

If Togashi's effort in a week results in dogshit scribbles then within the context of the industry those two work in, Togashi produces dogshit scribbles. Lol.

If you're counterargument is "Well Togashi after 3+ months makes better art than weekly Hara" then you've pretty much lost the argument altogether. If Togashi needs entire months to match weekly Hara then he flat out isn't as good as Hara.

Give Hara 3+ months and you're probably going to get near Berserk levels of quality.

You’re missing the point. This isn’t about polishing for months vs cranking out weekly pages, it’s about fundamentals of drawing. A naturally talented artist doesn’t need months to understand trajectory, depth, and spatial clarity. Even in rough sketches or scribbles, the forms still read properly. Hara’s problem isn’t effort, it’s that his work consistently flattens out. That’s a flaw in how he constructs scenes.

@TheKnightOfTheSea
This Hara discussion rn is like when some casual on youtube says Dax is a better rapper than Tyler because he's dropping lyrical spiritual individual rhymes. Hara's art is like the Dax of the manga world 🤣 people think just because it has a lot of shading and detail it makes him an elite artist, when he's lacking clear fundamentals.