Controversial Problem With One Piece

#1
So I noticed I have gotten more and more tired of One Piece ever since Marineford... if it weren't for Oda dangling these sweet Void Century mysteries in front of us ever since Egghead, I am honestly not sure I'd be reading it any more.

And this basically sums it up:

One Piece is formulaic and repetitive. You have a problem > Luffy punches problem in the face > problem solved. And during all of this you have tons of unnecessary filler. Marineford was so refreshing because during the entirety of the Impel Down and Marineford itself, Luffy couldn't just punch the problem in the face. In fact, I'd say that the Sabaody - Impel Down - Marineford arc was probably the best One Piece has ever been (though the Arlong Park arc remains my personal favorite). And then there are endless gags, constant repetition of the "Race Against The Clock" trope, and so on.

All of this would be fine if One Piece had lasted about as long as originally envisioned (5 years / 260 chapters). But much like e.g. Tokyo Revengers, it got extended. Now, Oda is excellent at worldbuilding - as I said, the whole Void Century thing, Imu and so on, these things are truly extremely interesting and keep me coming back to the series. Yet the story itself... is a slog.

Just as bad as the formulaic nature is that Luffy never... really fails. Last time he has had an actual failure that I remember was when he failed to save Ace (which is another reason why Marineford arc was so good). Ever since then... it has been a success after success. Some successes were qualified, some were not, but fact is that any and all losses Luffy had suffered were temporary. This is fine in some manga which don't focus on fighting so much (though I will note that D.Gray Man, in spite of not being a technically combat manga, actually handles this a lot better - Allen fails to save Suman - with massive personal consequences, fails to exorcise Noah from Tyki, fails to save the Third Exorcists, fails to... you get the idea. Point is, all of these failures are permanent.). But for One Piece, it is a disaster that repeats time and time again. And instead of actual loss, we get endless fakeout deaths, a pattern that had started long before the timeskip with Merry the Butler himself, and then continued with a character after character... Gin, Mr.9, Miss Monday, Igaram, Pell (which is when it became obvious), Mr.2, Gaia, Jaguar D. Bloody Saul, Spandam, Dr. Hogback, Lacuba, Vanderdeckenniner, Mocha, Brownbeard, Charlotte Moscato, Bloody Pekoms, Pound, Giant Wano Boar, Warden Babanuki, Bloody Kinemon, Orochi, Kanjuro, Dr. Vegapunk... Literally the only fakeout death here that makes sense is Vegapunk, and even then Oda managed to make it annoying since basically all of the satellites had survived, not just Lilith. This is another reason why the Marineford arc was the best One Piece had ever been - Whitebeard and Ace actually die. And these are the only genuine deaths in the series (and even then, Ace's death is undermined by appearance of Sabo who is functionally Ace 2.0). Sure, some other characters do die... but all these deaths happen in flashbacks. And flashbacks have a different problem - literally every one of them has a death. These deaths are safe, they don't matter... their only purpose is to provide (frankly fake) emotional tension, even if the only person who had died is a ripoff Mickey Mouse. But again, they are repetitive and formulaic. And again, lack of tension may have been fine if One Piece had been shorter (a lot shorter - even Fairy Tail with its 545 chapters frankly overstayed its welcome)... but the series is so long. By this point, if you don't see a character dying, they are not dead. If you see a character about to die, they will not die. If you see a character actually dying... they will magically resurrect. An occasional fakeout death is fine... fakeout deaths being a pattern is not. Right now, character "dying" is merely a way for Oda to emotionally manipulate the audience without ever providing any real payoff or stakes. Now, characters not dying is in fact frequent in manga, as readers can get quite upset if their favorite character dies... but again, lack of deaths is not an issue, fake deaths are. If characters don't die, you just accept it as part of the nature of manga. But fakeout deaths make all the stakes cheaper, hollow out the story emotionally speaking, and just reduce the emotional investment the reader feels. The only characters that die are basically irrelevant ones - Higuma, Ashura Doji, Pedro, Absalom, Saturn... and even one death that was not irrelevant (Izo), death itself makes zero sense.

Or rather, none of this would be an issue if One Piece could just pick a lane and commit to it. But Oda apparently cannot decide whether he wants it to be a Looney Tunes comedy, an adventure series, or a serious political drama / commentary. And again, combining these is not inherently bad... but there needs to be a balance. Gags are fine, but when your Looney Toonines starts infecting the underworks of the series itself, that is an issue. Sure, D.Gray Man can be goofy as well - but that goofiness is a surface level, and never affects the story itself. Not so with One Piece.

And post-timeskip, One Piece just basically ignores many of the Straw Hats. Except for Dressrosa (the best post-timeskip arc by far), Usopp, Franky and others are basically irrelevant. Fighting system itself also basically shifted from a highly tactical rock-paper-scissors to essentially "who has the biggest hammer haki". Ironically, Usopp, Franky and Chopper getting a million new gadgets was a bad thing, since right now all they do is pull out a new weapon from hammerspace... no innovation, no tension in their fights. And new post-timeskip characters are basically forgettable. They have nothing worth connecting with, no character development, and there are too many of them.

And villains are even worse. Except for Doflamingo, who is a GOAT, every other villain introduced post-timeskip is boring. Kaido has a few OK moments, but that's literally it. Wapol is a far better villain than literally any post-timeskip opponent other than Doflamingo (even Caesar, as fun of a character as he is, is a terrible villain). Kaido and especially Big Mom are terrible villains, as... yeah, they do have goals - but these goals basically don't matter. They are not focused on, they are not expanded on, both Emperors could have been replaced by inanimate punching bags for all the character impact they have. Kaido allegedly wants to die in battle, but we don't actually see it from his actions. He doesn't even fight Oden one on one, FFS.

And character designs post-timeskip are trash. Just a general downgrade across the board, except maybe Luffy. Maybe. Page design and panelling are also terrible.

Overall, the worst pre-timeskip arc is far better than the best post-timeskip arc. All and all there is simply too much going on, but characters are simply not deep enough to support that.

And don't get me started on the anime.
 
#4
Besides the end of Wano being a patchwork resolution, I think One Piece is about as good as ever. Probably the only bad thing is that I see fandom ruin itself with power scaling.

Luffy fails upwards, and that only bothers me personally because Oda just hides it behind a really broad idea of destiny. But I don't know how to expect Luffy to truly fail in a shonen manga.
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#6
1. Has stated that even though he's aware the most of his fans are adults, and a good chunk of fans overall are female, they are not his target audience. He draws and writes One Piece in a way he believes appeals to young boys.

2. Oda has stated that he's afraid of his series becoming predictable as predictability = boring, so purposely throws things in to keep fans guessing, and will outright change up the story if fans are catching on too much. This explains his refusal to just reveal things, and obsession with silhouettes, vagueness, and need to add more questions.

3. Oda has a distinct sense of humor, and has a bad self-admitted habit of adding many things on the fly that drags thkngs on(like the final chapters of WCI).

Combine all 3 together then yeah it can get frustrating when you think about it too much. OP greatly benefits from just enjoying the ride.
 
#7
1. Has stated that even though he's aware the most of his fans are adults, and a good chunk of fans overall are female, they are not his target audience. He draws and writes One Piece in a way he believes appeals to young boys.

2. Oda has stated that he's afraid of his series becoming predictable as predictability = boring, so purposely throws things in to keep fans guessing, and will outright change up the story if fans are catching on too much. This explains his refusal to just reveal things, and obsession with silhouettes, vagueness, and need to add more questions.

3. Oda has a distinct sense of humor, and has a bad self-admitted habit of adding many things on the fly that drags thkngs on(like the final chapters of WCI).

Combine all 3 together then yeah it can get frustrating when you think about it too much. OP greatly benefits from just enjoying the ride.
Agreed, that does seem like an issue. But as I said, I do believe the series suffers from being too long for something relatively so formulaic.
 
#8
Here is the "too long; didn't read" version:

Repetitive Plot: It’s always "Luffy punches problem to win," with too much filler and "race against the clock" tropes.

Zero Stakes: Frequent fakeout deaths (like Pell or Kinemon) have ruined the tension. Since Ace, Luffy never actually fails or loses anything permanent.

Tone Clash: The series tries to be a serious political drama and Looney Tunes at the same time, and the goofiness is undermining the story.

Post-Timeskip Bloat: Secondary Straw Hats are now irrelevant, fights are just "who has stronger Haki," and villains (except Doflamingo) are shallow and boring.

Visual Decline: Character designs and page layouts have gotten worse over time.

Bottom line: The series has overstayed its welcome and was better when it was focused and tactical.
 
#9
The length wouldn’t be an issue if the pacing wasn’t so atrocious. I’m someone who loves long running series because of the sheer amount of entertaining content they can provide.
When a story is long not because it’s actually filled with things happening but instead is just material being dragged out, then it’s not enjoyable.

Part of the main issue is that Oda is simply not that good at improvising things and incorporating them well post-skip. Tired tropes and character assassinations just dampen one’s enthusiasm for the story. It no longer feels like a brilliant, cohesive work…instead it now feels like a patchwork of poorly implemented ideas that’s dragging on just for the sake of dragging on.

It should never feel like an author is only keeping you reading by dangling mysteries in your face…but they don’t yet know how to answer them well.
 
#11
The problem with the series is that the author is a retard who wasted years on fodder and can't get it through his head.

We are supposedly in End Game and we are wasting time with on focusing on random elbaf children and rescuing them. Like fucking lmfao, imagine ever being sad for this dumbass dying before finishing series when he could've ended series years ago and started enjoying life if he actually had at least tiny amount of brain.
 
#14
At one point I will start to think that I'm taking the problem the wrong way and in reality, it's not that people hate One Piece for bad reasons, it's that people have been living with the love of One Piece so much that they do not realize anymore just how much they love it.

You people have to realize that in our current day and age, the LEVEL of dedication it would takes to even continue reading week after week for YEARS a manga that you don't like would be IMMENSE.

Take a few step back for a moment. It's 20 minutes or so of your life that you are FREELY GIVING AWAY for something you take HOURS on hating.

This is love.
 
#16
The problem with the series is that the author is a retard who wasted years on fodder and can't get it through his head.

We are supposedly in End Game and we are wasting time with on focusing on random elbaf children and rescuing them. Like fucking lmfao, imagine ever being sad for this dumbass dying before finishing series when he could've ended series years ago and started enjoying life if he actually had at least tiny amount of brain.
He already retired, and just pays a hobo to write the series.
 
#19
The first video is a crash out btw, he invested too much post time skip. I dropped it during fishmen island arc because I don't like the pacing and the rebrand of the series. So I thought I will come back during final saga when the series almost complete. Yea I didn't went through the majority of post time skip, kinda know what I was actually getting. Now is final saga, fk em.
 
#20
The problem with the series is that the author is a retard who wasted years on fodder and can't get it through his head.

We are supposedly in End Game and we are wasting time with on focusing on random elbaf children and rescuing them. Like fucking lmfao, imagine ever being sad for this dumbass dying before finishing series when he could've ended series years ago and started enjoying life if he actually had at least tiny amount of brain.
Yet your goyim ass will come back for each and every chapter. Like a pig to swill.
 
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