Character Discussion Progression of Zoro and Luffy's Relationship Post Skip

[ShadyOjiro]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1704921547054408077

This is sad one ngl

 

[JoNdule]

Zoro the huffman

 

[ShadyOjiro]

If it's due Nika then even more reason to dislike the retcon awakening.
Tho wouldn't surprise me if it was Luffy.
Oda changes his personality so wildly.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Dude.

He could have thrown Lucci at sea when he first used G3.

Same with Krieg.

He overkilled that random when Onigashima started because he wasted red beans.

That punck on Tenryuubito could have being a killer.

He could have thrown Lucci, but didn't. Why does "could have" seem to make sense? Something he attempted vs something he didn't attempt. Krieg on the other hand had no DF so that's not really deadly.

and no, punching people who end up not dying also doesn't count as trying to kill them. I don't know why everyone wants to ice skate uphill on a really basic point lmao

 

[kumae]

You misunderstand the scene.

The reason Oda had Luffy asked Zoro if he needs help was to show how careless and naive Luffy still is and he still has room to grow as a fighter. There's two parts to it.

1 - This seen is similar to happened on the rooftop when Luffy wasn't paying attention and needed Zoro to save him from BM. Zoro reminding Luffy to stay focused on his opponent. Luffy lostvfocus on Kizaru was played. Kizaru goal is to take out Dr. Vegapunk. While Luffy was fighting clones, Kizaru got close to Dr. Vegapunk.

2 - Zoro took Luffy not to trust Lucci and he was right. Now Zoro has to clean up Luffy's mess and Luffy wants to help because he realized he was wrong.

Yeah in part because it is lucci the one who we're talking the one who classed with him before and said he was going to kill them all luffy thinks "he hasn't learn the lesson yet"

 

[Herrera95]

He could have thrown Lucci, but didn't. Why does "could have" seem to make sense? Something he attempted vs something he didn't attempt. Krieg on the other hand had no DF so that's not really deadly.

and no, punching people who end up not dying also doesn't count as trying to kill them. I don't know why everyone wants to ice skate uphill on a really basic point lmao

Are you retarded?No way Luffy would guess there was a ship behind that wall and Lucci would not fall on ocean. Actually he also tried to step on Lucci while there what would make him fall on sea anyway.

Krieg would fall unconscious on ocean. He would die anyway.

You have no arguments here.

 

[Dickie D. Dick]

He’s a subordinate!!!! I keep telling u guys stop comparing him to guys like these. It’ll never end well…

http://imgur.com/a/99RTuFS

For reference this is Yonko teach, 30 seconds into a battle with one of Luffy real rivals. Compared to Zoro struggling vs lucci

http://imgur.com/a/8XLyWqT

Do I need to remind you that Low was saved by mere subordinate Bepo

 

[Cinera]

Lucci has broken everyone

Eh, I'm annoyed at Luffy not having confidence in Zoro has he normally does.

I have no problem with Lucci as an opponent.

He's a strong/decent fight and is IMO comparable to the likes of Katakuri and Marco.

 

[ZenZu]

Eh, I'm annoyed at Luffy not having confidence in Zoro has he normally does.

I have no problem with Lucci as an opponent.

He's a strong/decent fight and is IMO comparable to the likes of Katakuri and Marco.

*King

Katakuri and Marco got nothing to do with this.

 

[Cinera]

*King

Katakuri and Marco got nothing to do with this.

Nah, Lucci needs to hang out with King of Hell for around a chapter before he's comparable to King.

And like King has insane offence (mountain sized explosions, destroying part of the island, magma dragons, etc.).

Lucci has neither King's defence nor his offence, so I really don't see how he's a peer.

 

[ZenZu]

Nah, Lucci needs to hang out with King of Hell for around a chapter before he's comparable to King.

And like King has insane offence (mountain sized explosions, destroying part of the island, magma dragons, etc.).

Lucci has neither King's defence nor his offence, so I really don't see how he's a peer.

Say it with me K.I.N.G., Lucci is currently fighting and has been fighting the same state that King was fighting. King is the point of reference, forget about the others.

We'll see how long Lucci lasts to see where exactly he lands, but he's been he's engaged with post PU Zoro. The fact that this fight is going offpanel after Zoro uses his new power up is already a damn good sign for Lucci, I'm being objective here.

 

[AverageBuggyEnjoyer]

C'mon Cinera, you're better than this my bro.

 

[Cinera]

Say it with me K.I.N.G., Lucci is currently fighting and has been fighting the same state that King was fighting. King is the point of reference, forget about the others.

We'll see how long Lucci lasts to see where exactly he lands, but he's been he's engaged with post PU Zoro. The fact that this fight is going offpanel after Zoro uses his new power up is already a damn good sign for Lucci, I'm being objective here.

King's fight went off panel when Zoro activated his powerup and there was an intervening chapter between then and the resumption of the fight.

I don't think off panel fights matter much/are relevant for scaling.

Are we supposed to assume that King took arbitrary many attacks from King of Hell Zoro because the fight was off paneled for a bit?

I really don't think off panel scaling is valid.

 

[Malio]

It's no big deal just jokes. Wait for the VIZ chapter though, cause it might not even say any of this

 

[ZenZu]

King's fight went off panel when Zoro activated his powerup and there was an intervening chapter between then and the resumption of the fight.

I don't think off panel fights matter much/are relevant for scaling.

Are we supposed to assume that King took arbitrary many attacks from King of Hell Zoro because the fight was off paneled for a bit?

I really don't think off panel scaling is valid.

What I'm saying is, the fight going off panel after Zoro uses his PU means it's probably not going to be as swift as you think. If it was, then we would see its conclusion right away.

 

[Cinera]

What I'm saying is, the fight going off panel after Zoro uses his PU means it's probably not going to be as swift as you think. If it was, then we would see its conclusion right away.

Don't fully agree here given how very little panel time we've seen of the fight period.

Gear 5 Luffy kinda stomped Lucci, but the fight lasted quite a while.

Even if Zoro stomps, Oda isn't going to conclude the fight in a couple pages.

That said, in a sense a "Zoro vs Lucci" chapter probably would have several pages of their fight instead of just one.

Yeah, I'm sold that Zoro probably wouldn't immediately oneshot Lucci in the next chapter.

 

[ZenZu]

Yeah, I'm sold that Zoro probably wouldn't immediately oneshot Lucci in the next chapter.

And that automatically puts the fight into King vs Zoro territory lengthwise (post PU).

 

[Cinera]

And that automatically puts the fight into King vs Zoro territory lengthwise (post PU).

Eh, I'm not going to scale on length. King took 4 KOH attacks to go down, three named and the finisher was a super technique ("King of Hell Three Dragons").

But besides that, the attitude/demeanour is different.

Zoro recognises and respects King's strength, but tells Lucci that with only this much power he won't let him fight Luffy:

And this is basically the same thing he said to Pica:

There's a difference in how Zoro is treating the two as opponents.

 

[Redboy776]

And that automatically puts the fight into King vs Zoro territory lengthwise (post PU).

zoro wont one shot Lucci in the sense that he wont attack him with a named attack at least not directly but that is because of plot meanwhile Oda will make it clear he is far far superior to Lucci.

so no, it remains low diff just not neg diff.

 

[ZenZu]

Eh, I'm not going to scale on length. King took 4 KOH attacks to go down, three named and the finisher was a super technique ("King of Hell Three Dragons").

But besides that, the attitude/demeanour is different.

Zoro recognises and respects King's strength, but tells Lucci that with only this much power he won't let him fight Luffy:

And this is basically the same thing he said to Pica:

There's a difference in how Zoro is treating the two as opponents.

1.This is a Zoro who has defeated King, and a Luffy that has defeated Kaidou. Zoro could say the exact same thing to King rn and it would hold.
2.Lucci here is drawn smiling and talking shit back against Zoro post PU, this is a completely different dynamic than against Pica.
3.Tanking attacks is not the only way to assess a fight's difficulty.