General & Others Proof Zoro>Luffy, and that hate against Zoro is at an all time high.

[Salah WG]

pls who had fleshed out battle with fujitora?

Flushed Out? Yes that's what Luffy is, the Flushed Out Character, the Main Character, the Spotlight on him.
But you asked why Zoro let his Weaker Crewmate Fight Stronger Opponent? I gave Excuses that Oda created for each Villain

Regarding Doflamingo, Luffy was going to face him & an even Stronger Villain appeared who is Fujitora.
Who handled Fujitora & told Luffy to keep going? It was Zoro ofc

Did you know that every time Luffy & Zoro are together, it's mostly Zoro who does the Fighting?

They both Faced Morgan ---> Zoro Finished him off
They both Faced Mr.5 ---> They ended up Neg Diffing him & fighting each other to see who is Stronger
They both Faced Bellamy ---> It was Zoro who drew his Sword & was gonna get rid of him but Luffy stopped him
They both Faced Lucci ---> Ended having the Exact Same Scenes for Several Chapters (I can show you if you insist)
They both got Intercepted by CP-Train & T-Bone ---> Zoro dealt with them
They both Faced PH Dragon ---> It was Zoro who Killed it while Luffy Distracted it
They both got Attacked by Senor Pink, Machvice & Dellinger ---> It was Zoro who Dealt with them
They both got Intercepted by Fujitora ---> It was Zoro who handled him
They both got Intercepted by Pica ---> It was Zoro who stopped his Attack & Dealt with him
They both Faced Hawkins ---> Zoro faced him while Luffy was mostly Spectator
They both Met Urashima ---> Zoro scared him off
They both got Attacked by Apoo & Beast Pirates ---> It was Zoro who had to Carry Luffy & Fight
They both got Attacked by BM & Kaido ---> It was Zoro who had to Protect Luffy almost every Time
Not to mention that when a Surprised Villain suddenly Appeared (Mihawk & Kuma), it was Zoro who Faced them.

LITERALLY, every time Luffy & Zoro are Walking/Running together side by side & an Enemy appears, it's Zoro's Job to Fight.
The only time someone appeared & Luffy got rid of him was against Holdem & Oda made sure to draw BOTH Luffy & Zoro Scaring him

 

[Mr.9000]

WSF?

I might be bias on this one, but those two are consider to be equal to Oda, but if i had to bet in a fight with no plot armor, I see Zoro winning. Luffy weakness is sword attacks, so I feel eventually Zoro will get a good hit on Luffy and that'll be it.

 

[Salah WG]

Also, it must be Understood that when Oda creates Two Equal Characters, he most the Time make One of them "Greatest" & other one "Strongest"

Roger is Greater than WB but WB is known as Strongest
Shanks is Greater than Mihawk but Mihawk is known as Strongest
BM is Greater than Kaido but Kaido is known as Strongest
So EOS, Luffy is Greatest while Zoro is Strongest

A Fight between those Duo results in Legendary Equal Clash that most probably leads to a Draw (Similar to Dorry & Brogy)
But from World View & Skill Set, World regard One as Greatest (Roger, Shanks, BM, Luffy) & Other as Strongest (WB, Mihawk, Kaido, Zoro)

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

Use your brain for once

There is no need to insult the other user here. You can just present your arguments to disagree. Insulting people just makes you look childish.

 

[m0nst3Rx]

Flushed Out? Yes that's what Luffy is, the Flushed Out Character, the Main Character, the Spotlight on him.
But you asked why Zoro let his Weaker Crewmate Fight Stronger Opponent? I gave Excuses that Oda created for each Villain

Regarding Doflamingo, Luffy was going to face him & an even Stronger Villain appeared who is Fujitora.
Who handled Fujitora & told Luffy to keep going? It was Zoro ofc

Did you know that every time Luffy & Zoro are together, it's mostly Zoro who does the Fighting?

They both Faced Morgan ---> Zoro Finished him off
They both Faced Mr.5 ---> They ended up Neg Diffing him & fighting each other to see who is Stronger
They both Faced Bellamy ---> It was Zoro who drew his Sword & was gonna get rid of him but Luffy stopped him
They both Faced Lucci ---> Ended having the Exact Same Scenes for Several Chapters (I can show you if you insist)
They both got Intercepted by CP-Train & T-Bone ---> Zoro dealt with them
They both Faced PH Dragon ---> It was Zoro who Killed it while Luffy Distracted it
They both got Attacked by Senor Pink, Machvice & Dellinger ---> It was Zoro who Dealt with them
They both got Intercepted by Fujitora ---> It was Zoro who handled him
They both got Intercepted by Pica ---> It was Zoro who stopped his Attack & Dealt with him
They both Faced Hawkins ---> Zoro faced him while Luffy was mostly Spectator
They both Met Urashima ---> Zoro scared him off
They both got Attacked by Apoo & Beast Pirates ---> It was Zoro who had to Carry Luffy & Fight
They both got Attacked by BM & Kaido ---> It was Zoro who had to Protect Luffy almost every Time
Not to mention that when a Surprised Villain suddenly Appeared (Mihawk & Kuma), it was Zoro who Faced them.

LITERALLY, every time Luffy & Zoro are Walking/Running together side by side & an Enemy appears, it's Zoro's Job to Fight.
The only time someone appeared & Luffy got rid of him was against Holdem & Oda made sure to draw BOTH Luffy & Zoro Scaring him

This is best example why Zoro > Luffy. Always luffys weak ass need to carry by zoro eveb rooftop he saved luffys ass more than 6 times. Last time mf gonna die,eat,and shits lol. Thats why zoros stronger than luffy he gave most damage to kaido(he made kaido huffing puffying) meanwhile he dont need to save by luffy weak ass lol.

Rooftop Zoro > Rooftop luffy. It will always same but screentime going to weakass luffy cuz heis the MC. But this arc will give what zoro and we fanboys deserve

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Everytime I see a Zoro > Luffy comment, I pull up some sad Naruto music and spend a few minutes in emotional despair.

 

[nik87]

I love Zoro but I swear to god other Zoro fans stress me out so much

Breathe man, breathe.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

You guys never cease to amaze me with trying to come up with new ways to elevate Zoro to a level he's not yet at.

Luffy

G4 - Multiple forms

CoO - The strongest in the World possess this power. - Rayleigh

CoA - You're at a level far beyond anything I can teach you. - Hyougoro

CoC - Only the strongest in the World possess this power. - Kaido

Zoro

....... Um, here's this sword that exudes the users Haki on its own until you can get use to it.

Oh, and here's a fire cutting technique.

Oh, and this technique you can only pull off when you're ringing deaths doorbell.

"Only the Strongest in the World possess this Power"

Luffy - 2

Zoro - 0

Zoro body bags Luffys bitch ass

 

[Red Dog]

Let me ask you...

luffy and zoro, who is the captain?
luffy and zoro, who is the subordinate?

 

[nik87]

Let me ask you...

luffy and zoro, who is the captain?
luffy and zoro, who is the subordinate?

Who protects the weaklings from island buster? :yasu:

 

[Red Dog]

Who protects the weaklings from island buster? :yasu:

Thats his job a combatant, a subordinate to protect his boss lol...
Whos save zoro when he is about to get shotted by hand axe morgan’s fodders in freaking chapter 3 ?

 

[nik87]

Thats his job a combatant, a subordinate to protect his boss lol...
Whos save zoro when he is about to get shotted by hand axe morgan’s fodders in freaking chapter 3 ?

It is always his job to take on things that the captain is unable to deal with.

 

[sneko]

luffy versus Kaido = 3-4 KO's iirc
broken bone zoro versus Kaido = permanent scar and huff and puff

 

[Charlotte Horchata]

Because you're taking Luffy's words in the context of his own crew and applying those words to other crews. We don't know anything about Shanks as a cook, we don't know how Blackbeard ranks as a cartographer, we don't know if anyone under Doflamingo is actually better with money than he is, etc. The manga literally doesn't touch those things . Luffy in Arlong Park doesn't speak for them.

Luffy references Zoro as a swordfighter, and we already know that's a different beast. The only top six pirates without a weapon is the guy with two devil fruits. All the calamities have blades, all the sweet commanders have blades. Shanks has three gunners. Any other top tier in general has a weapon if they're not getting by with a crazy DF.

Zoro actually spent half as much time training for this fight as Luffy, with no Yonko experience to set expectations, and still made Kaido bleed. To just say he's under Luffy because that's how it is elsewhere, square peg round hole

Luffy in Arlong Park states he can't swordfight but that, in terms of his role in the crew, he's the one who can beat Arlong.

So he either is the strongest combatant overall because then he wouldn't give himself the capability of defeating the main villain during a speech about interdependence and specialty, or you are being dishonest when understanding that scene and now reading "swordfighter" as strongest in fight because "that's a different beast" (which is an obvious petitio principii reasoning, by the way).

Zoro is the most skilled with swords in the crew. He's the combatant because fighting is the only thing he can do. Luffy is stronger overall but isn't skilled with swords, hence why he mentions Zoro's swordsmanship and not fighting abilities and why he puts himself as the one with the role to defeat Arlong. And, once again, he's the main character, the chosen one, who is gaining Kaido's respect as of now, who makes his way to his dream through defeating enemies, and whose dream has been factually linked to being the strongest either by Whitebeard being the only one known to rival Roger or Chinjao saying that becoming the king who will rule the other king includes being able to surpass the admirals and the emperors.

Luffy is the strongest fighter in the crew and will always be.

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There is no need to insult the other user here. You can just present your arguments to disagree. Insulting people just makes you look childish.

I couldn't care less at this point. These Zoro cultists (not just fans) are everywhere in this forum, turning it into a "Grandmaster"-centric community and actually treating others like retards on a daily basis because they don't believe Zoro is stronger than the chosen one in a fighting series. Give thanks from normal users still making the effort to give them arguments instead of simply mocking them as outcasts.

 

[Geo]

Please, they literally said you'd find those powers amongst the strongest people in the World

They didn't say that either. It is amongst SOME.

You gone really argue semantics, when you know damn well what the implications from Oda is? Smh

It isn't semantics. The implications of what Oda made with those statements are literally why I'm correcting you.
The implication of "Only the strongest have X ability" is different from "some amongst the strongest/a few amongst the very strongest".
One suggests a necessity the other doesn't. You should know this well which means you blatantly did that.

They're Top Tier abilities, and Luffy has two of them. (Possibly 3, cause I highly doubt there is anything beyond internal destruction for that application of CoA.) Deal with it.

What does that have to do with my point?
Have I somehow claimed that Luffy's haki tech is below top tier?

Haki is the only thing

Wrong

Haki is the only thing that can place non devil fruit users on a Top Tier level, and Zoro has no forms of Top Tier Haki yet. I'm not downplaying Zoro, I'm pointing out the facts.

Again choice of words and it's implications.

Who said Zoro doesn't have any top tier Haki? Have you been reading the manga?

Who managed to leave a scar on Kaido before Zoro?
Who managed to Tame Enma?
Did you see the size of barrier Zoro used to block Hakai?

So yes you are downplaying Zoro.

Zoro is going to get there, that's without question, but the problem is, is you guys want him there now, and will completely ignore any kind of power structure that Oda has established in order to place him there.

Already addressed this.

Zoro actually spent half as much time training for this fight as Luffy, with no Yonko experience to set expectations, and still made Kaido bleed. To just say he's under Luffy because that's how it is elsewhere, square peg round hole

This notion have been proven wrong. Did you see every single time Zoro trained?

He already trained with a top tier fighter. He already fought a top tier fighter. What experience do you want?

You are creating your own metric instead of using what is in the manga.


My main point still stands before you started deflecting, the claims you made are wrong. Just accept that fact and move on. Kaido didn't say only the strongest and neither did Rayleigh.

One can be a top tier without having FS (Big Mom), same without having COC coating...that is the implication of the statements

 

[Fn Lucci]

Zoro's bones got broken against the Yonko. And he managed to scar Kaido. Cool.

Luffy beat Doffy while being injured, Sanji beat Bon Clay with broken ribs, etc.

Literally the same thing.

I'm not comparing their strength, not everything is power level related. Jeez, Pekoms and Zoro are the combatants, Sanji and Streusen are both chefs, etc.

That's their roles of the crew.

Luffy fought while injured? LMAO, are you talking about when Dofy mentions him losing steam from the explosion only for Luffy to tell him that he in turn was injured from fighting Law?

Also I said "or cooking" so that you couldn't really run from the Sanji/Streussen comparison. Having the same title as Sanji has nothing to do with his any of his abilities. The gap between Luffy and Sanji cooking is a completely different gap between Big Mom and Streussen cooking, so you can't then turn this into any sort of comparison to between other characters in other aspects.

Let me ask you...

luffy and zoro, who is the captain?
luffy and zoro, who is the subordinate?

Sometimes you kinda wonder

Spoiler

I mean if only because Oda has made it redundantly clear that he chooses to out of loyalty and friendship and if at some point he decided otherwise, he would be elsewhere. You would like to make some point as if Zoro is comparable to King or Katakuri, but he's not.

Luffy in Arlong Park states he can't swordfight but that, in terms of his role in the crew, he's the one who can beat Arlong.

So he either is the strongest combatant overall because then he wouldn't give himself the capability of defeating the main villain during a speech about interdependence and specialty, or you are being dishonest when understanding that scene and now reading "swordfighter" as strongest in fight because "that's a different beast" (which is an obvious petitio principii reasoning, by the way).

Zoro is the most skilled with swords in the crew. He's the combatant because fighting is the only thing he can do. Luffy is stronger overall but isn't skilled with swords, hence why he mentions Zoro's swordsmanship and not fighting abilities and why he puts himself as the one with the role to defeat Arlong. And, once again, he's the main character, the chosen one, who is gaining Kaido's respect as of now, who makes his way to his dream through defeating enemies, and whose dream has been factually linked to being the strongest either by Whitebeard being the only one known to rival Roger or Chinjao saying that becoming the king who will rule the other king includes being able to surpass the admirals and the emperors.

Luffy is the strongest fighter in the crew and will always be.

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I couldn't care less at this point. These Zoro cultists (not just fans) are everywhere in this forum, turning it into a "Grandmaster"-centric community and actually treating others like retards on a daily basis because they don't believe Zoro is stronger than the chosen one in a fighting series. Give thanks from normal users still making the effort to give them arguments instead of simply mocking them as outcasts.

Gaining Kaido's respect? He just called him a kid who got outta pocket by getting his hands on a powerful weapon. He says the outcome was never in doubt. Meanwhile Luffy's approach to the fight is to win. He didn't give a shit about fighting two on one when Zoro suggested going to the roof with him because as he learned from Shanks and told Katakuri, pirates don't play fair. Beating them isn't about being stronger, it's about winning. As opposed to a guy whose goal in life is to win a one on one fight.

Even then you say Zoro can only swordfight, but his leadership skills aren't even inferior to Luffy's.

Spoiler

You have to admit that his skills as a combatant make him a good strategist in general. I haven't seen another Straw Hat lead a battle like against Oars or give Zoro orders as in the attack on Orochi. Luffy failed to collaborate against the two emperors the same way he lacks the ability to utilize skillsets or neutralize alternative methods (indirect combat obstacles) like Zoro did against Pica. Luffy gives him basic commands that he's willing to oblige, but it does not indicate any sort of skill or insight. It's the other way around actually.

Spoiler

So if all LUFFY can do is fight straightforward to a conclusion, does that make his sole ability better? If we're talking about Arlong Park then you have to understand that right before Luffy entered the fight Oda bent over backwards to highlight the fact that Zoro went into the whole thing critically injured. ARLONG himself points this out, that he shouldn't have been able to even do that much and that he was too dangerous to let live. Sound familiar? Like the arc we're reading right now, where Law calls Zoro a bastard for even standing to fight BEFORE Kaido gets to him?

And then just over a volume after Arlong Park we have Luffy vs Zoro where they exchange evenly. Lol. But he's just a swordfighter and in one arc outright demanded to face the strongest swordsman so you... compare him to Hammond from that same arc. Because hammond's a combatant and not a swordsman? Where the hell does that even go. You say OP isn't hard but you're over here comparing Zoro to Pekoms and Hammond, got it all fucked up. Everyone is trying to let you know you got off on the wrong exit and you're like

Spoiler

Charlotte Wanze

 

[Sanji D Cook]

Zoro gets bandage up like a mummy, and the fandom seems to be going into a depression. LMAO. This is hilarious.

 

[Kromage911]

I like how you switch things out :
• Luffy :
I need a musician and a doctor and Cook and Navigator if he can do that himself he wouldn't have to check them out .
• Luffy :
I can't live without help from a lot of ppl

Now since you said this ; if he is better than Usopp in his role why did he let him join ? if he is better than Nami in his role why did he let her join ? if he is better than Franky in his role why did he let him join ? if he is better than Choppa in his role why did he let him join ?
Let me body u with this panel :

In Usopp speech :
Any Straw hat is useful for Luffy and anyone can't be just useless for him if luffy is better than Robin he shouldn't have made her joining because he can do the job now answer us those questions while Arlong himself he is imcompetent who needs help from his crew members and guess each one role

Luffy asked Brook to join his crew even before he knew that he was a musician so your whole reasoning of 'Why would Luffy let this person join the crew if he's better than him in his role' already proves to be nothing but faulty reasoning. Luffy didn't even see Zoro's combat ability before asking him to join so your logic of 'he wouldn't ask him to join if he was weaker than him' again sinks to the floor. He only asked him if he was strong and that's all, lol.

And for the Usopp line you mentioned, the straw hats aren't just there for their 'roles'. For example, in that very scene through which you were about to 'body' me, Zoro was the one who made Luffy realize his role as a captain. This is what Usopp is talking about and not just their roles. They are there to collectively help each other and make Luffy the PK, not just through doing their 'jobs'.

Also, for the line you mentioned from Arlong Park, why did Luffy say "Of course I don't know anything about swords" and not "Of course I'm not as good of a fighter as Zoro" like he said 'I can't navigate' for Nami and likewise others. You know why? Because he is.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Luffy asked Brook to join his crew even before he knew that he was a musician so your whole reasoning of 'Why would Luffy let this person join the crew if he's better than him in his role' already proves to be nothing but faulty reasoning. Luffy didn't even see Zoro's combat ability before asking him to join so your logic of 'he wouldn't ask him to join if he was weaker than him' again sinks to the for. He only asked him if he was strong and that's all, lol.

And for the Usopp line you mentioned, the straw hats aren't just there for their 'roles'. For example, in that very scene through which you were about to 'body' him, Zoro was the one who made Luffy realize his role as a captain. This is what Usopp is talking about and not just their roles. They are there to collectively help each other and make Luffy the PK, not just through doing their 'jobs'.

Also, for the line you mentioned from Arlong Park, why did Luffy say "Of course I don't know anything about swords" and not "Of course I'm not as good of a fighter as Zoro" like he said 'I can't navigate' for Nami and likewise others. You know why? Because he's not.

It's the same thing I've been saying all along... they twist words and meaning to fit their narratives.... just like the SJW and woke crowds.

 

[Steven]

I still wait for good Zoron feats