Powers & Abilities Queen proves that Shiryu’s DF is dogshit

[garciajulieen]

Still useless.... if someone is too fast.... they become invisible in one piece

Yet, they go visible when the attack almost lands and we know from what direction the attack came. Not With invisibility.

 

[ConquistadoR]

It’s dog shit. Can’t deny how disappointed I’m with the DF choice, Oda should have gone the route of making Shyriu stronger not trickier. It would be good if he can push Zoro to mid diff at that point in the story.

Even the worst Zoro wankers won't say shit like this.

 

[garciajulieen]

Still every df efficiency depends on its users. Lets say, imagine if one of zoro's sword is given the ton-ton fruit (which looks shitty as it is being used by Macvise), how devastating his pound canon will be. Thats just an example.

 

[Julius]

Shyriu will probably awaken it, so he will completely hide his presence, even CoO masters wouldn't be able to detect him

How is Zoro going to defeat him is the real question

 

[Franosuke]

I think his DF is gonna have unrevealed abilities that make him way more difficult to detect through low-level CoO and noise, especially if he is awakened

I don't know if Zoro will face Mihawk without high-level CoO. I feel like Mihawk's whole design implies his CoO is pretty crazy

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Queen is the dollar store knockoff version of shiryu

 

[TheKnightOfTheSea]

Queen is the dollar store knockoff version of shiryu

King and Queen are both Walmart versions of Shiryu tbh.

Shyriu will probably awaken it, so he will completely hide his presence, even CoO masters wouldn't be able to detect him

How is Zoro going to defeat him is the real question

Higher form of CoO probably. Not future sight, something different.

 

[sanjikun]

Doflamingo couldn't detect Absolom or Moria in Marineford and Doflamingo's CoO is at the bare minimum standard / acceptable levels.

So it really means you need high tier CoO to detect invisibility, if it works the same way between the devil fruit and Germa's technology.

Yes, Doffy dodges Hawk Gatling and DJ from point blank range but he doesn't have "High Tier CoO".

Any CoO should detect people. That's the basis of CoO. You detect other Hakis. Oda just does whatever the f he wants. There is no consistency.

It is much harder to work around those who can completely disappear. Even regular COO may not help given how Absalom saved Moria from Doffy, a COO user. Also, Suke Suke no Mi enables you to make things other than your body disappear. That can be deadly depending on the wielder.

Doflamingo couldn't detect Absolom or Moria in Marineford and Doflamingo's CoO is at the bare minimum standard / acceptable levels.

So it really means you need high tier CoO to detect invisibility, if it works the same way between the devil fruit and Germa's technology.

Yes, also explain, how Shanks the Haki master, lost his arm to a fish from East Blue that Luffy one shot.

I love how you're trying to apply logic to random scenes that having nothing to do with powerscaling/fighting.

 

[Jailer]

It's like comparing Reiju's poison to a full fledged poison df user. Not how it works, Shiryu has the clear clear fruit, his ability goes beyond just turning himself invisible.

 

[ArturCantSpeakJapanese]

shanks cut his own arm off. trust me

 

[Shiroyru]

Queen is the dollar store knockoff version of shiryu

Wtf?

Queen has invisibility + lasers + electricity + swords + Ancient Zoan durability and strength + cybernetic enhancements
Shiryu has invisibility + swords

 

[ConquistadoR]

Wtf?

Queen has invisibility + lasers + electricity + swords + Ancient Zoan durability and strength + cybernetic enhancements
Shiryu has invisibility + swords

If you scale using such checklists

Prime Roger has just swords.

That is absolutely not how it works lmao.

 

[JoNdule]

Tatsumaki and large AoE slashes would be my bet. In Dressrosa, he had massive air slashes. Queen's anything but a speedster so Zoro just needs to apply common sense and say Queen moved in one of two directions and send out a vertical slash. Or be cheeky and send out a horizontal slash.

I do think Zoro v. Shiryuu will come down to a CoO flex from Zoro. He's going to need to be at least a top high tier in all Haki stats (he's already above that with CoA and CoC) in order to beat Mihawk.

Zoro isn't fighting Posthawk
Shiryu>=posthawk when zoro fights him

Y'all overrated Posthawk
He's YC1 of Shanks
Benn is YC2
Roo YC3
Yassop YC4

 

[Shiroyru]

If you scale using such checklists

Prime Roger has just swords.

That is absolutely not how it works lmao.

Shiryu is > Queen due to having better base stats, Haki, and swordsmanship skill, but Queen has better innate abilities. If you swap them by giving Shiryu Queen’s tech and giving Queen the Suke Suke no Mi, Shiryu would become even stronger than he currently is, and Queen would be drastically nerfed

 

[ConquistadoR]

Shiryu is > Queen due to having better base stats, Haki, and swordsmanship skill, but Queen has better innate abilities. If you swap them by giving Shiryu Queen’s tech and giving Queen the Suke Suke no Mi, Shiryu would become even stronger than he currently is, and Queen would be drastically nerfed

Haki and Swordsmanship are innate abilities as well.

I guess what @Monkey D Theories meant was Queen's invisibility being a dollar store knock off version of the Suke Suke no Mi. Just like how the Pacifista or Queen's lasers are a dollar store knock off version of Kizaru's. Just like how Niji's lightning is the knock off version of the Goro Goro no Mi.

Just be patient and wait till Shiryu's time to shine comes - y'all did the exact same thing with King and compared him to Smoothie, and see where we are at now.

 

[Nel-Zel fiasco]

dude, suke suke can made anyone invisible imagine invisible DF army in BB pirates or spy in marine HQ
absalom made his bazzoka/cannonball invisible expect more version of invisiblity if the fruit is awaken

 

[The White Crane]

Higher form of CoO probably. Not future sight, something different.

Causality Perception incoming. :cheers:

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

Shiryu is not a fatass like Queen that his every step will make "creak" noise! That incompetent fatass only got detected because of his weight.

 

[Violent Sanji]

Queen’s tech let’s him turn invisible just as well as Shiryu, and that’s just one of the many features of Queen’s tech. The RHM of a future PK+ level character has a DF that provides much less benefits than Queen’s tech.

it looks like sanji unlocked true invibility or at least what the raid suit game him.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I don't know if it's going to be useless but I have a hard time believing it will be a nice fight in terms of visual aesthetic. I mean having Zoro swinging his swords to an invisible opponent might not be the thing I want to see for someone who is supposed to be one of his last fights.