Powers & Abilities Question regarding Zoro, Enma and Ryuo

[Wizak08]

When Zoro first picks up Enma and it exudes his ryuo, how does that make sense if Zoro didn't show ryuo prior to Wano? Just like Luffy, both could only use hardening while ryuo is emission and internal destruction.

Let's say Zoro knew ryuo prior to Wano and could infuse it on his other blades... why didn't Zoro do that when he used Asura? Why only ryuo on Enma alone while the other swords are hardened?

The stamina reason against King also doesn't make any sense here because Luffy was about to be crushed and Zoro as well so he has no reason to not go out with his haki. Thoughts.

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[Salah WG]

Ryuo is what Wano calls CoA in General
Just like Sky Island calls CoO as Mantra

It's not Specifically for Emission or Internal Destruction or anything, just CoA in General,
And Zoro did have Emission since Post-TS Started anyway

 

[qwer8888]

Zoro could have used the ryuo before, which is confirmed by old man Ryo's words, it's just that Enma forcibly sucked ryuo out of Zoro in large quantities. Later, Zoro learned to use large amounts of ryuo on all his swords himself.

 

[Wizak08]

Ryuo is what Wano calls CoA in General
Just like Sky Island calls CoO as Mantra

It's not Specifically for Emission or Internal Destruction or anything, just CoA in General

When Hyo talks about ryuo, he's only talking about emission and internal destruction as those are the only two that you need to flow your haki, hence why Luffy first learns how to flow ans use emission then later internal destruction.

And Zoro did have Emission since Post-TS Started anyway

Why wouldn't Zoro use emission on his other swords if he had it since post-TS?

 

[SkySanji]

Ryuo is just haki

 

[Shasha23]

Why wouldn't Zoro use emission on his other swords if he had it since post-TS?

its implied he used it against Hyouzou and he later shows he can use emission when he cut Monet, it just that we didn't know it was advCoA at the time.
So Enma just forced him to learn how to use large quantities of advCoA easily

 

[YonkoGodLuffy]

Zoro was using Oden's haki against King and Kaido. His own haki is 100x weaker, as shown when he lost against 1HP Lucci in Egghead. Similar to how JB infused Emets knot with Haki, Oden infused Enma with his own haki, which lead to the scar on Kaido and King's defeat. Zoro himself didn't do any of those.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Zoro was using Oden's haki against King and Kaido. His own haki is 100x weaker, as shown when he lost against 1HP Lucci in Egghead. Similar to how JB infused Emets knot with Haki, Oden infused Enma with his own haki, which lead to the scar on Kaido and King's defeat. Zoro himself didn't do any of those.

 

[Wizak08]

its implied he used it against Hyouzou and he later shows he can use emission when he cut Monet, it just that we didn't know it was advCoA at the time.
So Enma just forced him to learn how to use large quantities of advCoA easily

The thing is, if Zoro could use emission prior to Enma, why not use it against Kaido? Yes Enma uses large amount of ryuo but at that moment, Zoro has no reason to hold back his haki output

 

[BornInAbyss]

Bruh didn‘t want to disprove him no he straight up went to kill him with literally an panel that destroys his whole agenda 💀

 

[kumae]

Funny is
Enma: exclude haki wielder
Joyboy:store haki
Guess who is in fraud watch

 

[Shasha23]

The thing is, if Zoro could use emission prior to Enma, why not use it against Kaido? Yes Enma uses large amount of ryuo but at that moment, Zoro has no reason to hold back his haki output

he was using it against Kaidou that's why he was able to easily cut him
haki runs out that's why we see Luffy and Zoro not being reckless on how they use it since Wano

 

[Wizak08]

he was using it against Kaidou that's why he was able to easily cut him
haki runs out that's why we see Luffy and Zoro not being reckless on how they use it since Wano

The flames or the sword glowing was a way go show Zoro using ryuo and other than Enma that doesn't happen for other swords, later on all three swords have flames to indicate ryuo.

 

[ConquistadoR]

Why wouldn't Zoro use emission on his other swords if he had it since post-TS?

Zoro mastered Emission in the timeskip training with Mihawk. There's no way he can put Armament Haki onto airslashes without Emission.

 

[nik87]

how does that make sense if Zoro didn't show ryuo prior to Wano?

Zoro used Ryo, the external flow, since Alabasta.
Hitting the tree leaves and not cutting them is not possible without it, IMO.
The only issue is that Oda never visually added it before Wano, he decides some things on the go.
Just like he never visually added Haki in Pre-TS, same thing here.
Even now, he never adds regular Ryo on Zoro, instead he adds the fumes that appear in KOH too.

why didn't Zoro do that when he used Asura?

I think he did.
Hardening alone wouldn't suffice to leave a scar on Kaido.
Considering that Scabbards who know both couldn't even open up the old scar...

 

[Taylor_]

Zoro was using Oden's haki against King and Kaido. His own haki is 100x weaker, as shown when he lost against 1HP Lucci in Egghead. Similar to how JB infused Emets knot with Haki, Oden infused Enma with his own haki, which lead to the scar on Kaido and King's defeat. Zoro himself didn't do any of those.

Luffy is carried by Nikas haki.

 

[Shasha23]

The flames or the sword glowing was a way go show Zoro using ryuo and other than Enma that doesn't happen for other swords, later on all three swords have flames to indicate ryuo.

the flames are when Zoro uses large amounts of advCoA, he could only do that after Enma forced him to learn how to use excessive amounts of advCoA, Zoro since coming back from training has been using advCoA.

 

[Wizak08]

Zoro used Ryo, the external flow, since Alabasta.
Hitting the tree leaves and not cutting them is not possible without it, IMO.
The only issue is that Oda never visually added it before Wano, he decides some things on the go.
Just like he never visually added Haki in Pre-TS, same thing here.
Even now, he never adds regular Ryo on Zoro, instead he adds the fumes that appear in KOH too.


I think he did.
Hardening alone wouldn't suffice to leave a scar on Kaido.
Considering that Scabbards who know both couldn't even open up the old scar...

The scabbards are a bunch of bums, That just means that Asura was that stronger than their attack to leave a scar.

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Zoro mastered Emission in the timeskip training with Mihawk. There's no way he can put Armament Haki onto airslashes without Emission.

This can be the best example, still the fact that he was only using ryuo on Enma while the other swords didn't have the flames is weird

 

[Shasha23]

This can be the best example, still the fact that he was only using ryuo on Enma while the other swords didn't have the flames is weird

After being shown a panel of him using advCoA, why are you still trying to say otherwise at this point?

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

When Hyo talks about ryuo, he's only talking about emission and internal destruction as those are the only two that you need to flow your haki, hence why Luffy first learns how to flow ans use emission then later internal destruction.

And then Hyo says that Swordsman uses Ryu to coat their blades to cut or not to cut etc etc.. he was clearly telling Luffy how Wano uses its Ryu/Haki applications.

Either go hand to hand or Swords Styles.

In short .. The Smoke does not mean Ryu as in Advanced form. I think it means Excessive release of Haki in general. Because Luffy used AdvRyu and there was no smoke what so ever