Controversial Questions about Mihawk not going to Wano : Answer them
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Simple.. Mihawk can pass by the likes of krieg and his minion without trying. Going to Wano where an Emperor is residing with his whole crew = death sentence.
Even "if" he managed to beat all of his commanders he won't be able to fight Kaido 100%. And "if" Kaido lost him assuming he accepted a 1v1 without anyone else fighting. There is no guaranteed that the commanders will let him go free.
Even Emperors themselves don't go with their full crew to fight one another on each others territories.
Kaido at marineford took King and tried to go there but Shanks and his crew stopped them. Why didn't Kaido fight Shanks? because the math is clear.
Even "if" he managed to beat all of his commanders he won't be able to fight Kaido 100%. And "if" Kaido lost him assuming he accepted a 1v1 without anyone else fighting. There is no guaranteed that the commanders will let him go free.
Even Emperors themselves don't go with their full crew to fight one another on each others territories.
Kaido at marineford took King and tried to go there but Shanks and his crew stopped them. Why didn't Kaido fight Shanks? because the math is clear.
You said if Mihawk doesn't go after Kaido, the same thing can be said as to why Kaido doesn't go after Mihawk. All I was doing is telling you we already have the answer to that.
Kaido, for whatever reason does not place Mihawk in his eyes. That's why he doesn't go after him.
Of course there is a reason for Mihawk also. Mihawk only wants to fight strong Swordsmen. Kaido is not a Swordsman, therefore Mihawk has no interest in fighting him.
Kaido, for whatever reason does not place Mihawk in his eyes. That's why he doesn't go after him.
Of course there is a reason for Mihawk also. Mihawk only wants to fight strong Swordsmen. Kaido is not a Swordsman, therefore Mihawk has no interest in fighting him.
Just like it specifically mentioned that Mihawk fought swordsman and now was marine hunter. Who when how? no clue. Kaido meeting Big Mom was like its been ages.. WB never wanted to fight Kaido. Shanks met him and Kaido backed down. All of this should be waaay in the past. For Kaido we at least have some ideas how he got up there. Shanks tho? his history is tied with Mihawk who we also have no clue who he fought. So yeah all of these characters "said to have done x and y" they are all the same.
Anyways yeah his backstory being shelved is BS too i am with you on that.
Anyways yeah his backstory being shelved is BS too i am with you on that.
The fact that no mention or implication of Mihawk ever visiting Wano in any official sources. Anything outside of that if meer theory crafting.
Same way he gets from Paradise to the New World. It's not a fortress, and getting in shouldn't be a challenge for someone like Mihawk.
Same way how other characters, including Ace himself has. If he can go around the world without getting lost by himself, then finding Wano should be a cakewalk.
Well Kaido also has a whole pirate crew behind him. There's no telling what kind of support this hypothetical top tier samurai would have to aid him overthrowing Kaido. Regardless Akainu deemed the samurai themselves as enough of a deterrent to not invade the island, so as far as the outside world was concerned the samurai were still strong in their own right.
Now this is a good question. Maybe this alone held in back from doing so, but as we know there is little chance of bring found out by the top echelon of the Beast Pirates if you don't do stupid shit within the borders of Wano. How else can you explain Zoro not being found out until he got falsely sentenced as a murderer? He's been there for a while now, yet it took an incident for Zoro to be found out. If Mihawk tried, he could of handled his business in Wano and jumped ship.
I'd say Mihawk's presense alone should of shook the strong samurai of Wano, or had them on notice of his existence, similar to how Zoro had a weary feeling of Fuji despite never knowing of his existence as an Admiral beforehand. So same should go for Mihawk, even if he did go undercover, and surely such an experience would be brought up in the story at some point.
Same way he gets from Paradise to the New World. It's not a fortress, and getting in shouldn't be a challenge for someone like Mihawk.
Same way how other characters, including Ace himself has. If he can go around the world without getting lost by himself, then finding Wano should be a cakewalk.
Well Kaido also has a whole pirate crew behind him. There's no telling what kind of support this hypothetical top tier samurai would have to aid him overthrowing Kaido. Regardless Akainu deemed the samurai themselves as enough of a deterrent to not invade the island, so as far as the outside world was concerned the samurai were still strong in their own right.
Now this is a good question. Maybe this alone held in back from doing so, but as we know there is little chance of bring found out by the top echelon of the Beast Pirates if you don't do stupid shit within the borders of Wano. How else can you explain Zoro not being found out until he got falsely sentenced as a murderer? He's been there for a while now, yet it took an incident for Zoro to be found out. If Mihawk tried, he could of handled his business in Wano and jumped ship.
Now tell me again how its bad writing when you take into account all of the above? WHEN we have no IDEA if he did or did not 
What if he went in stealthy and found no one to fight? then again how in the world would he ever make it there alone.
There is a reason Why Mihawk is the way he is. "ALONE" he can't do shit other than fight and you bet he has a vivre card of Shanks thats how he finds him.
What if he went in stealthy and found no one to fight? then again how in the world would he ever make it there alone.
There is a reason Why Mihawk is the way he is. "ALONE" he can't do shit other than fight and you bet he has a vivre card of Shanks thats how he finds him.
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The whole story of One Piece is having a "Crew" who can do everything for their Captain to get them from Point A to Point B. So its unfair of us thinking that Mihawk can make it anywhere he wants to. There is a high chance that Mihawk's story a loner is showing us what a guy like Shanks is without a crew. If Mihawk can navigate the weather and go everywhere he wants easily then he is above Roger who is the only one who sailed around the globe in his era.
Guys like Aokiji and Greenbull have abilities that makes it easier for them to go around. But Mihawk? And lets not forget that his status as Warlord can make his journey easy.
Read the above and add that ACE had a full crew. It shouldn't be a cakewalk for a loner. Unless you think Mihawk = all the SH in one package...
True But to answer you. We have to take into factors all of the above 1st. Then we have to think of this point. If Kaido is ruling Wano then The Samurai are:-
- dead (waste of time)
- under his rule (unworthy weak)
- an ally (risk fighting the beast pirates)
So is it safe to take every risk possible just to find out that there is no one to fight or if there is someone to fight you might anger the beast pirates and have 0 chance of escaping?
True but we need to read the above 1st. Zoro and the others had Kinemon and Law's submarine to get to a specific spot on Wano undetected. Now lets take others who made it to Wano and compare:-
- WB was detected right away by the Samurai.
- Ace was detected by Villagers not by an authority party
- Moria was probably detected by Kaido's men. "unsure"
- Roger's Crew and Oden unconfirmed but there is a big chance that they were detected but Kaido didn't want to risk fighting them.
- Luffy was detected right away by Kaido's men. "By chance"
- Big Mom Pirates alongside Big Mom were detected outside of Wano Borders by Kaido's men.
- Big Mom was detected by Chopper not by an authority party.
So the chances of Mihawk being detected outside of Wano and at shore is likely 50% ? Now inside of Wano as we have seen Kaido's men are everywhere in the country except poor spots. Mihawk will probably go to where most people are to ask around. Zoro was a 320mill guy and Mihawk is a whole Warlord who is known worldwide as WSS. He will be found out by Kaido's men easily. IF he was disguising himself tho maybe he can sneak around.
Yes pretty valid point but by whom? There is no strong Samurai.. except Denjiro in the Capital and likely where Mihawk would go undercover or not. Why would anyone bring that up? in what context would for example Denjiro would bring up:-
- I had felt a strong presence once 5 - 15 years ago But i don't know who what and why..
So its safe to assume that IF Mihawk came to Wano he did nothing. But its highly likely that he couldn't or didn't want to go to Wano for various reasons like we mentioned above.
So is Mihawk "Him" the ultimate character who can sail and has surpassed every crew by being the ultimate 1 man sailor strongest swordsman navigator?
Or a Strong Pirate who is held back by limitations such as not having a Crew like Luffy's/Shanks/Roger etc to do whatever he wants to?
Every Warlord has a story... Just look at Mihawk in Marineford. He was denied a clean shot at WB and at Luffy... This alone explains alot.
The whole story of One Piece is having a "Crew" who can do everything for their Captain to get them from Point A to Point B. So its unfair of us thinking that Mihawk can make it anywhere he wants to. There is a high chance that Mihawk's story a loner is showing us what a guy like Shanks is without a crew. If Mihawk can navigate the weather and go everywhere he wants easily then he is above Roger who is the only one who sailed around the globe in his era.
Guys like Aokiji and Greenbull have abilities that makes it easier for them to go around. But Mihawk? And lets not forget that his status as Warlord can make his journey easy.
Read the above and add that ACE had a full crew. It shouldn't be a cakewalk for a loner. Unless you think Mihawk = all the SH in one package...
True But to answer you. We have to take into factors all of the above 1st. Then we have to think of this point. If Kaido is ruling Wano then The Samurai are:-
- dead (waste of time)
- under his rule (unworthy weak)
- an ally (risk fighting the beast pirates)
So is it safe to take every risk possible just to find out that there is no one to fight or if there is someone to fight you might anger the beast pirates and have 0 chance of escaping?
True but we need to read the above 1st. Zoro and the others had Kinemon and Law's submarine to get to a specific spot on Wano undetected. Now lets take others who made it to Wano and compare:-
- WB was detected right away by the Samurai.
- Ace was detected by Villagers not by an authority party
- Moria was probably detected by Kaido's men. "unsure"
- Roger's Crew and Oden unconfirmed but there is a big chance that they were detected but Kaido didn't want to risk fighting them.
- Luffy was detected right away by Kaido's men. "By chance"
- Big Mom Pirates alongside Big Mom were detected outside of Wano Borders by Kaido's men.
- Big Mom was detected by Chopper not by an authority party.
So the chances of Mihawk being detected outside of Wano and at shore is likely 50% ? Now inside of Wano as we have seen Kaido's men are everywhere in the country except poor spots. Mihawk will probably go to where most people are to ask around. Zoro was a 320mill guy and Mihawk is a whole Warlord who is known worldwide as WSS. He will be found out by Kaido's men easily. IF he was disguising himself tho maybe he can sneak around.
Yes pretty valid point but by whom? There is no strong Samurai.. except Denjiro in the Capital and likely where Mihawk would go undercover or not. Why would anyone bring that up? in what context would for example Denjiro would bring up:-
- I had felt a strong presence once 5 - 15 years ago But i don't know who what and why..
So its safe to assume that IF Mihawk came to Wano he did nothing. But its highly likely that he couldn't or didn't want to go to Wano for various reasons like we mentioned above.
So is Mihawk "Him" the ultimate character who can sail and has surpassed every crew by being the ultimate 1 man sailor strongest swordsman navigator?
Or a Strong Pirate who is held back by limitations such as not having a Crew like Luffy's/Shanks/Roger etc to do whatever he wants to?
Every Warlord has a story... Just look at Mihawk in Marineford. He was denied a clean shot at WB and at Luffy... This alone explains alot.
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Mihawk probably is not interested in Wano he is not Samurai that should end the topic .
Don’t think they ever interacted that’s why Kaido didn’t add him . It makes sense for Shanks they probably clashed at some point since they were rivals .
I probably don’t think wano would interest Mihawk , he probably would know about Ryuma other than that he know Kaido being there would be a risk to cause a war .
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Don’t think they ever interacted that’s why Kaido didn’t add him . It makes sense for Shanks they probably clashed at some point since they were rivals .
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I probably don’t think wano would interest Mihawk , he probably would know about Ryuma other than that he know Kaido being there would be a risk to cause a war .
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To be honest he probably didn't care enough to find his course into a secluded Yonko territory surrounded by walls and where any serious top-tier combatant must have been dealt with decades ago. He may also have had information about Wano from Shanks since he was close to Oden, so he might know that Oden was the only relevant fighter there in terms of being top-tier. Sounds like a lot of work for something very vague and unlikely, in a country where the locals never wanted guests in the first place. Besides we don't even know if Mihawk is fixated on sailing around and fighting strong swordsmen, after all Marineford was the first time he met Whitebeard's top swordsmaster.
Kaido already made it obvious what he thinks of Mihawk though, he mentioned him althought indirectly
And that is how an ex Warlord thinks of Emperors. Its called Trash Talk. If we are going to literally take their trash talks seriously then. WB told Shanks he is 100 years early to fight him and Mihawk bashed Shanks for having 1 arm and Shanks stopped Kaido and all admirals BB pirates in Marineford. So its something like this ?
Luffy >>>>>>>>>> Jimbei >>>> WB >> Mihawk >> Shanks >> Kaido Big Mom >> Admirals.
but on a serious note trash talk is trash talk.
And that is how an ex Warlord thinks of Emperors. Its called Trash Talk. If we are going to literally take their trash talks seriously then. WB told Shanks he is 100 years early to fight him and Mihawk bashed Shanks for having 1 arm and Shanks stopped Kaido and all admirals BB pirates in Marineford. So its something like this ?
Luffy >>>>>>>>>> Jimbei >>>> WB >> Mihawk >> Shanks >> Kaido Big Mom >> Admirals.
but on a serious note trash talk is trash talk.
1- You perfectly explained it and he already knew it so he was just looking for attention.
2- The name already sells his opinion
3- All he does in this forum is trashtalk Mihawk, he made his account specifically for that.
And that is how an ex Warlord thinks of Emperors. Its called Trash Talk. If we are going to literally take their trash talks seriously then. WB told Shanks he is 100 years early to fight him and Mihawk bashed Shanks for having 1 arm and Shanks stopped Kaido and all admirals BB pirates in Marineford. So its something like this ?
Luffy >>>>>>>>>> Jimbei >>>> WB >> Mihawk >> Shanks >> Kaido Big Mom >> Admirals.
but on a serious note trash talk is trash talk.