General & Others Questions for Admiral Fans?

[Blazing Lion]

This is not a troll or hate thread and I want to have a genuine understanding of the Admiral fanbase on some points (no agenda). Its hard to distinguish between actual and troll opinions or reactionary opinions.

1. Do Admiral fans want Admirals to have CoC (and ACoC), so far Garp and Sengoku have been confirmed but nothing for the other Admirals? If so, then why?
2. Do Admiral fans want GB (or even Fuji) to have BB? If so, then why?
3. Do Admiral fans believe that Akainu is much stronger than other Admirals (5 bil >> 3 bil)?
4. Is Aokiji the odd one out, we had a duo of Garp and Sengoku, then Akainu and Kizaru (Rookie Monsters) and then Fuji and GB (Rookie Monsters)?
5. Marines became much stronger post TS, if Fuji and GB are weaker than C3 Admirals then how can Marines as a whole become stronger when there greatest military power has been decreased?
6. If Akainu was 100 pre TS then what was Aokiji? If Akainu is 100 now then what is Aokiji now?
7. If Akainu is 100 then how do you rank other Admirals?

@MarineHQ @Elder Lee Hung @EmperorKinyagi @SakazOuki @AkainuTheGrimReaper etc.

 

[SakazukiTheFist]

1. I don't mind if they have or don't, as long as they have awakening, so far every strong fighter either has awakening or ACoC.
2. I don't care much about Black blades, it's irrelevant to me.
3. Entirely subjective, I will say no, but Oda can do whatever he wants in the end.
4. I think he is relative to his fellow Admirals.
5. Mostly because of Akainu's philosophy, we also never knew about Admiral Candidates aswell, could be a new thing Oda introduced us on the time-skip.
6. Akainu 100, Aokiji 94-96. Akainu still had Aokiji has his mercy and took his leg, this is not a Lucci vs Luffy fight where either couldn't move afterwards. Now I don't know.
7. 100 for Akainu and 90-96 for the rest. GB for example is a bad match-up for Akainu.


This is all subjective as Oda can make Akainu stronger for the story.

 

[Blazing Lion]

1. I don't mind if they have or don't, as long as they have awakening, so far every strong fighter either has awakening or ACoC.
2. I don't care much about Black blades, it's irrelevant to me.
3. Entirely subjective, I will say no, but Oda can do whatever he wants in the end.
4. I think he is relative to his fellow Admirals.
5. Mostly because of Akainu's philosophy, we also never knew about Admiral Candidates aswell, could be a new thing Oda introduced us on the time-skip.
6. Akainu 100, Aokiji 94-96. Akainu still had Aokiji has his mercy and took his leg, this is not a Lucci vs Luffy fight where either couldn't move afterwards. Now I don't know.
7. 100 for Akainu and 90-96 for the rest. GB for example is a bad match-up for Akainu.


This is all subjective as Oda can make Akainu stronger for the story.

Respectable views
6. But that fight wasnt for 10 days and didnt split an island in half.
7. How is GB a bad matchup for Akainu?

 

[SakazOuki]

For some questions I can only speak for myself

1. Do Admiral fans want Admirals to have CoC (and ACoC),
so far Garp and Sengoku have been confirmed but nothing for the other Admirals? If so, then why?

Depends on the Admiral, Akainu and Fujitora having CoC would boost cool factor
CoC takes a hit if they lack it anyway

2. Do Admiral fans want GB (or even Fuji) to have BB? If so, then why?

I mean why not, it’s not like people argued for GB’s black blade because they wanted him to have one, they did so because he carried a blade that is black

3. Do Admiral fans believe that Akainu is much stronger than other Admirals (5 bil >> 3 bil)?

Some do I think, but most would agree that in pure fighting ability they’re more or less on the same level (at least the C3)
Akainu would shine in extreme conditions, he’ll always want to win more than his opponent

4. Is Aokiji the odd one out, we had a duo of Garp and Sengoku, then Akainu and Kizaru (Rookie Monsters) and then Fuji and GB (Rookie Monsters)?

No he is a C3, can’t separate him from Akainu and Kizaru

5. Marines became much stronger post TS, if Fuji and GB are weaker than C3 Admirals then how can Marines as a whole become stronger when there greatest military power has been decreased

Because Akainu is stronger and more determined than Sengoku

6. If Akainu was 100 pre TS then what was Aokiji? If Akainu is 100 now then what is Aokiji now?

Pre ts Aokiji 99
Post ts 90

7. If Akainu is 100 then how do you rank other Admirals?

95+

 

[nik87]

This is not a troll or hate thread and I want to have a genuine understanding of the Admiral fanbase on some points (no agenda). Its hard to distinguish between actual and troll opinions or reactionary opinions.

1. Do Admiral fans want Admirals to have CoC (and ACoC), so far Garp and Sengoku have been confirmed but nothing for the other Admirals? If so, then why?
2. Do Admiral fans want GB (or even Fuji) to have BB? If so, then why?
3. Do Admiral fans believe that Akainu is much stronger than other Admirals (5 bil >> 3 bil)?
4. Is Aokiji the odd one out, we had a duo of Garp and Sengoku, then Akainu and Kizaru (Rookie Monsters) and then Fuji and GB (Rookie Monsters)?
5. Marines became much stronger post TS, if Fuji and GB are weaker than C3 Admirals then how can Marines as a whole become stronger when there greatest military power has been decreased?
6. If Akainu was 100 pre TS then what was Aokiji? If Akainu is 100 now then what is Aokiji now?
7. If Akainu is 100 then how do you rank other Admirals?

@MarineHQ @Elder Lee Hung @EmperorKinyagi @SakazOuki @AkainuTheGrimReaper etc.

You are about to open a pandora's box of mental gymnastics with these questions.

 

[mly90]

2. Do Admiral fans want GB (or even Fuji) to have BB? If so, then why?

You don't see many of them pushing this garbage after the latest questions loda answered, these guys simply can't take their L's and sore losers. They were getting trashed from everywhere after twerkbull got embarrassed by the rat so they clinged desperately to the kokuto agenda to stop the bleeding nothing more

 

[Dragon777]

1. Do Admiral fans want Admirals to have CoC (and ACoC), so far Garp and Sengoku have been confirmed but nothing for the other Admirals? If so, then why?

I think they have it, there are multiple hints. Unfortunately for now we haven't celery seen an admiral going all out or the scene is dubious (like Aokiji vs Garp, even though since Aokiji and Garp were drawn just the same I agree with the anime on this: it was clearly CoC).

Spoiler

Anime:

Garp's and Kuzan's punches are just the same; same lightnings, colours and effects.


Same lightnings, colours and effects of another confirmed CoC technique, the Galaxy Impact (and the Galaxy divide is just the same):

2. Do Admiral fans want GB (or even Fuji) to have BB? If so, then why?

Because Oda wanted.
I didn't think or felt it necessary, but Oda clearly gave Ryo a BB (and Fuji a Saijo), so it's not "wanting" but really just using eyes.

Spoiler

1) Ryo full image:

1.2) OP day:

VC:

3. Do Admiral fans believe that Akainu is much stronger than other Admirals (5 bil >> 3 bil)?

In the same ratio as Roger/WB are stronger than Kaido or Shanks.

4. Is Aokiji the odd one out, we had a duo of Garp and Sengoku, then Akainu and Kizaru (Rookie Monsters) and then Fuji and GB (Rookie Monsters)?

Aokiji had mulitple parallels, with Garp, with Akainu, with Koby too.

5. Marines became much stronger post TS, if Fuji and GB are weaker than C3 Admirals then how can Marines as a whole become stronger when there greatest military power has been decreased?

I have never believed that thing.

6. If Akainu was 100 pre TS then what was Aokiji? If Akainu is 100 now then what is Aokiji now?
7. If Akainu is 100 then how do you rank other Admirals?

I was never good with number, but as I said it's the difference between Roger/WB and Kaido/Shanks or Ray.

 

[Salah WG]

(Peak Physical Training & Excellent CoA/CoO) + Invincible Logia or Equivalent DF = Admiral Level.
Very Simple Formula,

Akainu ~ Aokiji ~ Kizaru ~ Ryokugyu,
They are just Re-Skins of each other,
Fight between them depends on how their Powers Interact & who got Higher Resolve, that's all,

Their DFs also do not benefit much from CoC,
They Melt, Freeze, Burn, Laser, Squeeze, Absorb ... etc
Effects that do not become Stronger with CoC, their Lethality remains the Same

Fujitora is only one who can benefit from CoC
And Oda made him only Admiral with Paramecia instead of Logia
And only one who solely relies on a Weapon to Fight rather than just add it for Versatility

So imo Fujitora is either as Strong as them or will soon turn out to be Superior
Rest are 100% Equals without Doubt

 

[Leadership101]

Do Admiral fans believe that Akainu is much stronger than other Admirals (5 bil >> 3 bil)

Yes and it's not even close

 

[Daves John]

1) Akainu yes, since he is the leader of the most powerful organization and has made it stronger than Sengoku, who is a CoC user.
Kuzan, I'd prefer due to Akainu fight, but I can see reasons for him not to have it.
Fujitora, depends on his role in the story. If he is the next FA, then yes.
Kizaru and Ryokugyu don't have it.

2) Not really. They can have it, but not forge it themselves. Making a black blade is the most legendary feat so far and Ryokugyu and Fujitora have not been put at that pedestal.

3) Define much stronger.

4) He left Navy, so he is the odd man out.

5) Because Fujitora and Ryokugyu are probably above old heads, so 2 of them+Akainu Haki boost>Old Sengoku and Kuzan.
Also, lower ranks got bolstered probably

6) 98
Not sure, 90-95 I guess

7) Kizaru - 85
Fujitora - 77
Ryokugyu - 75

Fujitora is the biggest mystery, he has the worst feats, but his narrative potential is the biggest of the 3.

 

[SakazukiTheFist]

But that fight wasnt for 10 days and didnt split an island in half.

Yes, but unlike Luffy, who won his fight but was left immobile and unable to move, Akainu was still standing and chose to spare Aokiji. The fight lasted 10 days because it was on the 10th day that Aokiji finally succumbed.

Who knows how many more days Akainu could have kept going? He even took Aokiji’s leg, so I think a score of 94-96 for Aokiji is actually fair."

How is GB a bad matchup for Akainu?

Akainu is magma, GB is Forest, even if GB has some counters to fire as a whole, Akainu is much worse than Momo for example.

 

[Topi Jerami]

Pre ts Aokiji 99
Post ts 90

Dude lowkey accepts the truth of Shiryu > Aokiji and already damage controlling

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Only speaking for myself here.

1. Do Admiral fans want Admirals to have CoC (and ACoC), so far Garp and Sengoku have been confirmed but nothing for the other Admirals? If so, then why?

I neither want them to have it, nor don’t want them to have it. It would be hilarious to see them get it given how much crap idiots have given them for not having it. As far as I’m concerned, Admirals are Yonko/Pirate King level whether they have it or not and I don’t particularly care if they do.

I do prefer the idea that the Admirals were not born blessed like the Yonko and Roger but at the end of the day Oda is a geneticist so he may give it to them.

2. Do Admiral fans want GB (or even Fuji) to have BB? If so, then why?

A black blade right?

I like the idea of Ryokugyu having one, Fujitora obviously does not have one. I really just want Oda to give all of the Admirals their own unique power sets and fighting styles. As long as they are unique, I don’t care about the specifics really. That said, Ryokugyu obviously has a black blade and the matter isn’t up for debate. Which is great for agenda purposes.

3. Do Admiral fans believe that Akainu is much stronger than other Admirals (5 bil >> 3 bil)?

No lol. All Admirals are relative and I’ve said that for ten years. I see no evidence that Akainu is any stronger than the rest based in the canon. If anything the CG bounties just further reinforce that bounties are not a reliable scaling metric because all of them deserves similar bounties based on power level.

4. Is Aokiji the odd one out, we had a duo of Garp and Sengoku, then Akainu and Kizaru (Rookie Monsters) and then Fuji and GB (Rookie Monsters)?

Not sure I understand the question lol but Aokiji was always in proximity to Kizaru and Akainu. Not Kuzan tho.

5. Marines became much stronger post TS, if Fuji and GB are weaker than C3 Admirals then how can Marines as a whole become stronger when there greatest military power has been decreased?

^^^

Yeah, I agree completely. Fujitora and Ryokugyu are the two most underrated OP characters hands down, no question. People are starting to see that now I think with Fujitora’s supreme blade putting him in the same group as Roger, Whitebeard, and Nasujuro as well as Ryokugyu’s black blade.

Ryokugyu gets shat on by monkeys because of the 1055 moment. Then Rayleigh did the exact same thing to Blackbeard while admitting he was weaker than Blackbeard, and for some reason apes are still convinced 1055 proves Ryokugyu is weaker than Saint Shanks even though Rayleigh completely debunked that notion lmfao. Imu and the Gorosei also got overpowered by Joyboy’s CoC, but did the chimps learn anything? Of course not, nonsentient NPCs can’t learn lmfao.

6. If Akainu was 100 pre TS then what was Aokiji? If Akainu is 100 now then what is Aokiji now?

Aokiji 99

Kuzan 88

Kuzan hasn’t trained with the battleship bag for two years, spends all day drinking, and is a cripple. He gets high diffed by Aokiji.

7. If Akainu is 100 then how do you rank other Admirals?

Kizaru 99-100+? The consensus on Kizaru is that if Oda actually handled his DF properly, he is the strongest character in OP no question and it’s not even close. We’ll see how Oda treats that fruit.

Fujitora - 96-100? We’ll see if the man can generate black holes LMFAO

Ryokugyu-96-100

My opinion isn’t set in stone on the draftees yet.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

This is not a troll or hate thread and I want to have a genuine understanding of the Admiral fanbase on some points (no agenda). Its hard to distinguish between actual and troll opinions or reactionary opinions.

1. Do Admiral fans want Admirals to have CoC (and ACoC), so far Garp and Sengoku have been confirmed but nothing for the other Admirals? If so, then why?
2. Do Admiral fans want GB (or even Fuji) to have BB? If so, then why?
3. Do Admiral fans believe that Akainu is much stronger than other Admirals (5 bil >> 3 bil)?
4. Is Aokiji the odd one out, we had a duo of Garp and Sengoku, then Akainu and Kizaru (Rookie Monsters) and then Fuji and GB (Rookie Monsters)?
5. Marines became much stronger post TS, if Fuji and GB are weaker than C3 Admirals then how can Marines as a whole become stronger when there greatest military power has been decreased?
6. If Akainu was 100 pre TS then what was Aokiji? If Akainu is 100 now then what is Aokiji now?
7. If Akainu is 100 then how do you rank other Admirals?

@MarineHQ @Elder Lee Hung @EmperorKinyagi @SakazOuki @AkainuTheGrimReaper etc.

1. Imo only Fuji should have CoC. He’s the clear weakest showing wise so far and with the worst fruit so it would be a good to show how much he’s been sandbagging

2. I think GB has a Black Blade just because it very clearly looks like one, but I don’t think it was one he made himself.

3. Yes. He’s the only one with Logia Awakening besides Kuzan so he’s much stronger than them.

4. Kizaru is the odd one out. Oda has traditionally paired Kuzan and Sakazuki throughout the manga whether it’s in the Ohara flashback, Marineford, or FA promotion. Kizarus the one who always ends up to be the odd one out.

5. Fuji and Ryo are >= Kizaru that’s how.

6. They’re both comparable then and now. 100-99

7. The other admirals are much weaker probably closer to 80 since they would likely lack awakening

 

[nik87]

Yes and it's not even close

Why did he extreme diff with Aokiji if he is so much stronger?

 

[Yoho]

1. I never really cared about conquerors basic is just a fodder detector and advanced is just more advanced, advance Armament


2. I wouldn't mind either way if they have black blades or not but I between the two I'd rather it be Fujitora, he seems more like a swordsman

3. No, stronger yes, but much stronger no bounty is mainly based on his rank if he was still a admiral he'd be 3 bill right beside them, if he is then by extension Aokiji is too, it took Akainu 10 days to beat him so they're relative in strength

4. Yes

5. They lost 1 and got two power houses, Akainu became fleet admiral, then Fuji and Ryo joined the ranks plus they likely boosted the strength and numbers of lower ranking soldiers as well as the cipher pols

6. 99 close but at the end of the day Akainu won their fight

7. If Akainu is 100
Aokiji- 99
Kizaru- 99
Greenbull -98
Fuji- 98

 

[ZenZu]

Only speaking for myself.

1. Do Admiral fans want Admirals to have CoC (and ACoC), so far Garp and Sengoku have been confirmed but nothing for the other Admirals? If so, then why?

No, one of the things that put me off Naruto during the final war especially was the born gifted trope. I don't want all top tiers in this verse to be fated to be top tiers from day 1. I would much rather some characters carve their own way and match or even surpass gifted CoC merchants. The day all Admirals have CoC this series is officially cooked beyond recovery.

For example, Kuzan matching Garp's adCoC with an ice glove + CoA is much more badass to me than him only matching Garp cause he is also a CoC merchant.

Besides Oda will go the BM route with most of them and not even incorporate CoC properly into their fights.

2. Do Admiral fans want GB (or even Fuji) to have BB? If so, then why?

Don't care for this. After Fuji's Saijo reveal, chances GB has a black blade skyrocketed though.

3. Do Admiral fans believe that Akainu is much stronger than other Admirals (5 bil >> 3 bil)?

The C3 are canonically very close to each other. Akainu >= Kizaru ~ Aokiji. We know Aokiji and Akainu had a 10 day deathmatch, and Kizaru wasn't portrayed even a bit weaker, infact he was portrayed slightly above Aokiji during Marineford.

There may be (probably is) a significant gap with the new recruits, that one is up in the air.

4. Is Aokiji the odd one out, we had a duo of Garp and Sengoku, then Akainu and Kizaru (Rookie Monsters) and then Fuji and GB (Rookie Monsters)?

Forced parallel, there is no C3 equivalent in any faction ever.

5. Marines became much stronger post TS, if Fuji and GB are weaker than C3 Admirals then how can Marines as a whole become stronger when there greatest military power has been decreased?

Greenbull and Fujitora combined > Aokiji alone by a longshot. They got two new Admirals. But the truth is that's not what that statement is talking about in the first place.

6. If Akainu was 100 pre TS then what was Aokiji?

98

If Akainu is 100 now then what is Aokiji now?

Slightly bigger gap than preskip due to missing an entire leg.

7. If Akainu is 100 then how do you rank other Admirals?

10 points apart = Extreme diff cutoff
20 points apart = High diff cutoff

Akainu: 100
Kizaru: 97
Aokiji: 96
Greenbull: 89
Fujitora: 89
Old Garp: 80
Old Sengoku: 76

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

I feel like Kuzan would have shown that he has Conq Haki by now if he really had it. Same for Kizaru.
I can see Issho and Sakazuki being conquerors though.

 

[Leadership101]

Why did he extreme diff with Aokiji if he is so much stronger?

Aoikiji and akainu are far stronger than borsalino who's stronger than fujitora and aramaki. Shiryu>>>admirals

 

[nik87]

Aoikiji and akainu are far stronger than borsalino

Based on what? lol