Current Events Raid on Onigashima storytelling

[Formerly Seth]

How would you write Raid on Onigashima to make this look realistic and not hurt the image of Kaido and Big Mom as a Yonko?

You may think it is easy but if you look at it we have no Yonko nor Admiral level characters on the Alliance site to make this look acceptable and realistic or do we?

I think Oda put himself in a very sticky situation with this War/Raid because in the end the image of Kaido or Big Mom ( Yonko in general ) will be hurt badly considering the fact that Wano has the curse of Alabasta/Dressrosa where good guys must succeed in the end. We still don't know the status of the Marines in this War but if I have to make theory then I would say that they might send one Admiral but no Fujitora so the Admiral won't potentially ally himself with Luffy. Grand Fleet has zero plot in Wano besides being under Luffy and yet we don't know if they even know what Luffy is doing right now. Sabo and Revolutionary army commanders' status is unknown and even if Big Mom betrays Kaido I wouldn't expect her to become Good Mama and ally with Luffy more like Kaido vs Big Mom vs Alliance or just Kaido and Big Mom racing for Luffy's head.

How would you write this War to make fights and storytelling look realistic and if possible not hurting the image of Yonko in general? Don't be scared to kill off important or just non-fodder characters but remember that Oda does it really and I will repeat really rarely.

I would love to read and see your take on this one:cheers:

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I don't really care about the Yonko's image, I know they are going to lose and I have no problem with that.
My favourite scenario would be kind of enies lobby one. Where we have luffy going ahead solo and the other making their way too the mansion while defeating some forces.

I would like for luffy to have a warm up fight like he had with blueno, since queen and the numbers are close to him, it'd be nice if he fought queen or the numbers if they are strong.

Zoro went solo and will get lost, so I'll be happy if he also has a warm up fight, who's who or salami would be nice.

Maybe sanji will defeat page one in their way.

And then when all of them arrived at the same place, the fodders samurai should fight the fodders beast pirates and the scabbards some of kaido and orochi's main forces.

I don't know what will happen with big mom, I imagine that she will clash with luffy since she wants him dead. Other than that I don't know.

As for king zoro will fight him, at least that's what I want. If luffy defeated queen then maybe sanji can take care or yamato.

And finally for kaido, I know a little people won't like it and it's unlikely but I prefer a solo fight for luffy. Extreme extreme diff.

 

[bluefire12]

I really don't know
Just want to see something surprising

 

[Fujishiro]

I don't really care about the Yonko's image, I know they are going to lose and I have no problem with that.
My favourite scenario would be kind of enies lobby one. Where we have luffy going ahead solo and the other making their way too the mansion while defeating some forces.

I would like for luffy to have a warm up fight like he had with blueno, since queen and the numbers are close to him, it'd be nice if he fought queen or the numbers if they are strong.

Zoro went solo and will get lost, so I'll be happy if he also has a warm up fight, who's who or salami would be nice.

Maybe sanji will defeat page one in their way.

And then when all of them arrived at the same place, the fodders samurai should fight the fodders beast pirates and the scabbards some of kaido and orochi's main forces.

I don't know what will happen with big mom, I imagine that she will clash with luffy since she wants him dead. Other than that I don't know.

As for king zoro will fight him, at least that's what I want. If luffy defeated queen then maybe sanji can take care or yamato.

And finally for kaido, I know a little people won't like it and it's unlikely but I prefer a solo fight for luffy. Extreme extreme diff.

Youre right, people woudlnt like it. Because one piece would become fairy tail.

On topic tho, i am of the mind the raid will fail and the either kaido and bm decide to execute them ( drake may reveal himself as a marine and get fucked too)on wano, the same place oden was executed at.

There, they would televise it to the world, akainu seeing that pirates are executing a high ranking marine and showing it to the world may decide to send forces there to save face. Blackbeard will come with moriah. id say the execution may take place a few days from now.

Because i think the wano arc will last atleast a month based on hawkins prediction he made to luffy saying that after a month his chances of surviving will be 19%. We are at the begining of week 3 right now. This gives time for other forces to hear of this and come to wano. And thats when the tides of battle will change. There will be many BIG players to make the defeat of kaido and big mom believable.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Youre right, people woudlnt like it. Because one piece would become fairy tail.

On topic tho, i am of the mind the raid will fail and the either kaido and bm decide to execute them ( drake may reveal himself as a marine and get fucked too)on wano, the same place oden was executed at.

There, they would televise it to the world, akainu seeing that pirates are executing a high ranking marine and showing it to the world may decide to send forces there to save face. Blackbeard will come with moriah. id say the execution may take place a few days from now.

Because i think the wano arc will last atleast a month based on hawkins prediction he made to luffy saying that after a month his chances of surviving will be 19%. We are at the begining of week 3 right now. This gives time for other forces to hear of this and come to wano. And thats when the tides of battle will change. There will be many BIG players to make the defeat of kaido and big mom believable.

I will always prefer 1v1, there is a fair aspect about it that I like. I don't want to see 3 or 4 characters jumping on another. That's lame.

But then again I'm not as fascinated by power levels and bothered by plot like a lot of people can be. As long as the fight is entertaining I'm game.

 

[Formerly Seth]

I will always prefer 1v1, there is a fair aspect about it that I like. I don't want to see 3 or 4 characters jumping on another. That's lame.

But then again I'm not as fascinated by power levels and bothered by plot like a lot of people can be. As long as the fight is entertaining I'm game.

I also prefer clear 1 vs 1 but it's taking Oda too f'ing long to make Luffy look like a reliable fighter when it comes to 1 vs 1 against Yonko or Admirals.

 

[Fujishiro]

I will always prefer 1v1, there is a fair aspect about it that I like. I don't want to see 3 or 4 characters jumping on another. That's lame.

But then again I'm not as fascinated by power levels and bothered by plot like a lot of people can be. As long as the fight is entertaining I'm game.

Yeah 1vs1s are cool but for a writter to be taken seriously, he has to respect his own story and the people living in it. Luffy at the moment cannot possibly 1vs1 kaido( whom i view as the strongest if not top 3). That would remove any sort of tension later on, thats just on a story telling perspective. On a logicall one, the man got overwhelmed to an extreme degree at his strongest and did nothing to kaido. Sure he can hurt him now but how much? Its just been a few days. And lets not forget that the kaido that did all that shit was casual as hell. It gets even worse when he gets serious. I would be fine with luffy soloing a yonko in an arc or 2. But right now, it would be extremely stupi.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

hurt the image of Kaido and Big Mom as a Yonko

The only way this is possible is for them to get nerfed before they get defeated.

Like their alliance falls apart and they try and kill each other and they weaken each other severely then luffy and gang beat them up.

Outside of that, if these two are fighting all out then this should be a wash.

But I don't actually care about kaido and big mom's images. I wouldn't give a shit I'd they get disrespected. As long as the heroes can shine

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I also prefer clear 1 vs 1 but it's taking Oda too f'ing long to make Luffy look like a reliable fighter when it comes to 1 vs 1 against Yonko or Admirals.

He should just do it this arc. A luffy vs lucci type of fight would be dope.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

How would you write Raid on Onigashima to make this look realistic and not hurt the image of Kaido and Big Mom as a Yonko?

You may think it is easy but if you look at it we have no Yonko nor Admiral level characters on the Alliance site to make this look acceptable and realistic or do we?

I think Oda put himself in a very sticky situation with this War/Raid because in the end the image of Kaido or Big Mom ( Yonko in general ) will be hurt badly considering the fact that Wano has the curse of Alabasta/Dressrosa where good guys must succeed in the end. We still don't know the status of the Marines in this War but if I have to make theory then I would say that they might send one Admiral but no Fujitora so the Admiral won't potentially ally himself with Luffy. Grand Fleet has zero plot in Wano besides being under Luffy and yet we don't know if they even know what Luffy is doing right now. Sabo and Revolutionary army commanders' status is unknown and even if Big Mom betrays Kaido I wouldn't expect her to become Good Mama and ally with Luffy more like Kaido vs Big Mom vs Alliance or just Kaido and Big Mom racing for Luffy's head.

How would you write this War to make fights and storytelling look realistic and if possible not hurting the image of Yonko in general? Don't be scared to kill off important or just non-fodder characters but remember that Oda does it really and I will repeat really rarely.

I would love to read and see your take on this one:cheers:

Actually, it's EASIER THAN YOU THINK!

1- Bring Caribou.... stuff everyone inside him! IF he has a limit... stuff IMPORTANT MAIN FIGHTERS inside him....

2- Let Kinemon use his clothing ability on him.... let him dress as Kaido's men

3- No one will recognize Caribou because he's trash anyway....

4- Get all the way into Kaido's wherebouts!

5- Let Caribou releases them from his stomach!

6- Let the FIGHT BEGINS

7- IN CASE Caribou has a limit to the number of people inside him (which I doubt...) but IF he has limit... then the rest unimportant fodder soldiers can come back as back up through the other directions... maybe led by Kinemon and Denjiro as well if you want...

But rest of the important characters... strong characters (SHs/Law/Kidd/Killer/Scabbards) they can pop out from Caribou's body right infront of Kaido/Big Mom/commanders in middle of festival!


EASIER THAN YOU THINK.....

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Yeah 1vs1s are cool but for a writter to be taken seriously, he has to respect his own story and the people living in it. Luffy at the moment cannot possibly 1vs1 kaido( whom i view as the strongest if not top 3). That would remove any sort of tension later on, thats just on a story telling perspective. On a logicall one, the man got overwhelmed to an extreme degree at his strongest and did nothing to kaido. Sure he can hurt him now but how much? Its just been a few days. And lets not forget that the kaido that did all that shit was casual as hell. It gets even worse when he gets serious. I would be fine with luffy soloing a yonko in an arc or 2. But right now, it would be extremely stupi.

It's too late for the writer to have his power level taken seriously the moment kaido one shoted luffy.
2 weeks later kaido will use stronger attacks and won't be able to put him down. Might as well go for the 1vs1 now.

I also understand your pov though.

 

[Ryuarashi]

I also prefer clear 1 vs 1 but it's taking Oda too f'ing long to make Luffy look like a reliable fighter when it comes to 1 vs 1 against Yonko or Admirals.

I think the current pace is fine. In dressora Luffy did his thing against Fujitora (yes it was not a serious fight and Luffy would probably lose eventually but he held his own). Pre timeskip Luffy would have been fodderized.

At the end of Wano whether or not Luffy fights Kaido 1vs1 or team he will be around Admiral level.

 

[Fujishiro]

It's too late for the writer to have his power level taken seriously the moment kaido one shoted luffy.
2 weeks later kaido will use stronger attacks and won't be able to put him down. Might as well go for the 1vs1 now.

I also understand your pov though.

He wont, kaidos attacks will still be lethal to him. The way I see it, oda made luffy learn future sight for a reason. To dodge those attacks while attacking. He didn’t use it in their first fight because he was angry. So kaido will still maintain that power level difference while they scrap, then you have law who can tp people in and out. Other people will be fighting kaido with luffy while he does that. It’ll basically be like a raid boss battle. They’ll whittle him down and kaido will be taking people out but by not until we have a severely weakened kaido vs a luffy who’s still kinda fresh. Idk how the rest plays out. Maybe some of the players will be an admiral or something. All in all I fully believe that kidd will be awake and there to help luffy deliver the finishing blow. To cement their position as rivals in the new pirate era.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

He wont, kaidos attacks will still be lethal to him. The way I see it, oda made luffy learn future sight for a reason. To dodge those attacks while attacking. He didn’t use it in their first fight because he was angry. So kaido will still maintain that power level difference while they scrap, then you have law who can tp people in and out. Other people will be fighting kaido with luffy while he does that. It’ll basically be like a raid boss battle. They’ll whittle him down and kaido will be taking people out but by not until we have a severely weakened kaido vs a luffy who’s still kinda fresh. Idk how the rest plays out. Maybe some of the players will be an admiral or something. All in all I fully believe that kidd will be awake and there to help luffy deliver the finishing blow. To cement their position as rivals in the new pirate era.

Yeah but kaido will still land some stronger attacks than the one used the first time. If he can't touch luffy at all, then what's the point to have a 3vs1 or 10vs1 (I hope this one never happen)?

 

[Fujishiro]

Yeah but kaido will still land some stronger attacks than the one used the first time. If he can't touch luffy at all, then what's the point to have a 3vs1 or 10vs1 (I hope this one never happen)?

I don’t think kaido will actually hit luffy too much if at all. I think everytime he’s about to or tries to, someone gets in the way to distract him and by the time he gets down getting rid of all the distractions. He would be severely weakened enough for 1- his hits to be a good deal weaker or 2- for him to become slower and easy to dodge.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

I don’t think kaido will actually hit luffy too much if at all. I think everytime he’s about to or tries to, someone gets in the way to distract him and by the time he gets down getting rid of all the distractions. He would be severely weakened enough for 1- his hits to be a good deal weaker or 2- for him to become slower and easy to dodge.

Well I guess everybody has his preference, I don't want kaido to be weakened when he fights luffy. Not even drunk. But that's just me.
Tbh as long as the monster trio looks good I don't really care about power levels. I get into it sometimes just for fun but in one piece and in manga usually it's hard to keep track of power level first because match up matters, second because plot exists and last because sometimes the writer doesn't give a shit about it.

 

[dirtyLarry]

How would you write Raid on Onigashima to make this look realistic and not hurt the image of Kaido and Big Mom as a Yonko?

You may think it is easy but if you look at it we have no Yonko nor Admiral level characters on the Alliance site to make this look acceptable and realistic or do we?

I think Oda put himself in a very sticky situation with this War/Raid because in the end the image of Kaido or Big Mom ( Yonko in general ) will be hurt badly considering the fact that Wano has the curse of Alabasta/Dressrosa where good guys must succeed in the end. We still don't know the status of the Marines in this War but if I have to make theory then I would say that they might send one Admiral but no Fujitora so the Admiral won't potentially ally himself with Luffy. Grand Fleet has zero plot in Wano besides being under Luffy and yet we don't know if they even know what Luffy is doing right now. Sabo and Revolutionary army commanders' status is unknown and even if Big Mom betrays Kaido I wouldn't expect her to become Good Mama and ally with Luffy more like Kaido vs Big Mom vs Alliance or just Kaido and Big Mom racing for Luffy's head.

How would you write this War to make fights and storytelling look realistic and if possible not hurting the image of Yonko in general? Don't be scared to kill off important or just non-fodder characters but remember that Oda does it really and I will repeat really rarely.

I would love to read and see your take on this one:cheers:

At this point Oda should just re-read HxH's invasion during the chimera ant arc (which Oda is a huge fan of btw) several times and copy the shit out of it.
Would've way more faith in that than I have in his current storytelling.

 

[Buusatan94]

I have the feeling that the raid on Onigashima is not going to be sucessful such as it is, and that Kaido and BM will win over the Supernovas-Samurais-Minks alliance with either one or both of them showing the true power of the Yonkos before Nekomamushi returns and round 3. The final battle against kaido may happens in Wano itself for the populace to witness the defeat of both Kaido and Orochi and after the end of the alliance with BM somehow.

 

[Fujishiro]

Well I guess everybody has his preference, I don't want kaido to be weakened when he fights luffy. Not even drunk. But that's just me.
Tbh as long as the monster trio looks good I don't really care about power levels. I get into it sometimes just for fun but in one piece and in manga usually it's hard to keep track of power level first because match up matters, second because plot exists and last because sometimes the writer doesn't give a shit about it.

I agree on all of that but luffy excels in brawling and usually all of his other enemies either were physically weaker thank him or about equal but had something that made them hard to deal with. But with kaido, he got overwhelmed extremely in his area of expertise. That’s why it wouldn’t make any sense for a solo fight to happen. The gap is too huge atm and it would devalue the story afterwards. Which isn’t something either you or me wants I assume :p

 

[Fujishiro]

At this point Oda should just re-read HxH's invasion during the chimera ant arc (which Oda is a huge fan of btw) several times and copy the shit out of it.
Would've way more faith in that than I have in his current storytelling.

So nuke kaido?