Powers & Abilities Raid Suit: instant power-up or not?
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One of the major problems with the RS is there is, as far as we know, absolutely no drawback to using it. Zoro's arm shrivelled like a prune after his first attempt to use Enma. G4 has a time limit.
What is the disadvantage with the RS? Sanji with it just way stronger than Sanji without it, at no cost whatsoever.
Maybe we'll find out that the invisibility works by some weird sciences draining of life force or Haki or something, that would make it more palatable.
What is the disadvantage with the RS? Sanji with it just way stronger than Sanji without it, at no cost whatsoever.
Maybe we'll find out that the invisibility works by some weird sciences draining of life force or Haki or something, that would make it more palatable.
It's clearly a fact. If a blacksmith which is in the family of the man Who made Enma told you this. It's True.
Moreover if it was just an assumption Oda will not have stated it.
Remind me for what this training was ? To tame Enma so if we have this information during this training, it's because we have a link.
Zoro needs to get use about CoA drain. Unless you think Enma give Zoro other issues.
Which Profit ?
Moreover if it was just an assumption Oda will not have stated it.
Remind me for what this training was ? To tame Enma so if we have this information during this training, it's because we have a link.
Zoro needs to get use about CoA drain. Unless you think Enma give Zoro other issues.
Which Profit ?
Author's statement =/= Character's statement. Characters can be wrong, or do you believe that Luffy beat Big Mom? Or that Luffy is 5m tall? Even Hitetsu says that "the most likely reason", he himself is not sure.
His training was to make Enma not drain his Haki so he can use it. Then he needs to get used to sword (remember the tree he wanted to cut? or those bamboo). Since Hitetsu says all of that when Zoro already overcame the drain, we can assume that he talks about getting used to it ("it feels familiar to you")
It's a joke, you know.
His training was to make Enma not drain his Haki so he can use it. Then he needs to get used to sword (remember the tree he wanted to cut? or those bamboo). Since Hitetsu says all of that when Zoro already overcame the drain, we can assume that he talks about getting used to it ("it feels familiar to you")
It's a joke, you know.
Instant PU imo.
All those gadgets are instantly usable, while something like being guarded by a very durable cape or the camouflage ability really does not need any training tbh.
On a meta lvl you are right, at least the accelerators should need some training to control, but if we go by inverse logic, Sanji was able to make use of it pretty much instantly, so we've got not much to argue here.
Imo the pros clearly outweigh the cons here.
I mean just take its durability and the camouflage effect, those are heavy gains and pre ts within paradise, they would have made you nearly untouchable/unbeatable basically instantly. So..
All those gadgets are instantly usable, while something like being guarded by a very durable cape or the camouflage ability really does not need any training tbh.
On a meta lvl you are right, at least the accelerators should need some training to control, but if we go by inverse logic, Sanji was able to make use of it pretty much instantly, so we've got not much to argue here.
Imo the pros clearly outweigh the cons here.
I mean just take its durability and the camouflage effect, those are heavy gains and pre ts within paradise, they would have made you nearly untouchable/unbeatable basically instantly. So..
Potential is useless. He can have the best haki in the world but if he can't materialize, he's nothing. Which is why Enma comes in to make him stronger.
You think Enma Zoro is the same as Shusui Zoro? Get real, why does he even have the sword then? Just throw it in the river.
Drawbacks are dumb. I personally hated when Luffy turned to a chibi after g3.
You think Enma Zoro is the same as Shusui Zoro? Get real, why does he even have the sword then? Just throw it in the river.
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Drawbacks are dumb. I personally hated when Luffy turned to a chibi after g3.
Author give his message through characters. For your examples they are just impertinent
First : We dont know People thinks Luffy is 5m until the rumour is destroyed.
After those People unlike hitetsu are not professional. Hitetsu is à blacksmith Who talks about swords it's not the same as random character talking about Luffy's height.
Morgan never said Luffy beats BM. He said Luffy beats TWO SC and escape from WCI.
Zoro only needs to get use to CoA drain. It's the only point of this training. When he will be used to the CoA drain he will get familiar to Enma. Now he is familiar to Enma because he vers use to the CoA drain.
How hitetsu knows Zoro is familiar to Enma ? Because Zoro can now control the CoA drain. It's the same thing for Shusui Zoro was familiar to Shusui because he can control the power of his strikes with.
To make it easier for you, When Zoro can control the downside of his sword he is familiar with this sword.
Or maybe it's the first time hitetsu see Zoro since he gave him Enma
So you can't answer ?
First : We dont know People thinks Luffy is 5m until the rumour is destroyed.
After those People unlike hitetsu are not professional. Hitetsu is à blacksmith Who talks about swords it's not the same as random character talking about Luffy's height.
Morgan never said Luffy beats BM. He said Luffy beats TWO SC and escape from WCI.
Zoro only needs to get use to CoA drain. It's the only point of this training. When he will be used to the CoA drain he will get familiar to Enma. Now he is familiar to Enma because he vers use to the CoA drain.
How hitetsu knows Zoro is familiar to Enma ? Because Zoro can now control the CoA drain. It's the same thing for Shusui Zoro was familiar to Shusui because he can control the power of his strikes with.
To make it easier for you, When Zoro can control the downside of his sword he is familiar with this sword.
Or maybe it's the first time hitetsu see Zoro since he gave him Enma
So you can't answer ?
The only message he gave is that Enma and Wado are tied. Others like "Lady Hiyori saw Wado" (how the hell could you know?) and "maybe because of Wado you get used to Enma faster" are assumptions, even Hitetsu is not sure about his statement, but you for some reason is?
"So by the time i'm used to this". It means both, stop Enma from draining Haki and making yourself comfortable using it (not all swords are the same).
1. He wasn't familiar to Shusui when he got it
He needed training to properly fight with it.
2. This is what Hitetsu aksed
"Boy...do you find that Enma fits comfortably in your hand", if he wonders about draining, then it's wrong choice of words.
Thanks cap. Besides, to use a sword, you need to get used to it's height, weight, sharpness and etc. Because it is somewhat familiar to Wado, he get used to it faster than should.
He's been with them the whole time.
JUST. A. JOKE. It was in our Russian commuty for a long time, and since it fits there perfectly, i used it, what explanation about it do you want?
1. He wasn't familiar to Shusui when he got it
2. This is what Hitetsu aksed
Thanks cap. Besides, to use a sword, you need to get used to it's height, weight, sharpness and etc. Because it is somewhat familiar to Wado, he get used to it faster than should.
He's been with them the whole time.
JUST. A. JOKE. It was in our Russian commuty for a long time, and since it fits there perfectly, i used it, what explanation about it do you want?
If your doctor tells you, You must be sick will you say it's just an assumption ? He could have wrong but since he's a specialist you agree. Same thing here Hitetsu he's a famous blacksmith. If he make an assumption she automatically turns into a fact even more when it's the only explanation we get and when nothing seems to invalidate it.
No the scene doesn't talk about others thing that CoA drain. You add things it's Just headcannons.
Zoro never stated he needs to get use to something other than the CoA drain. The whole point of this scene is to show Enma drain your CoA and it's a problem. If Enma didn't have any drawbacks this training won't be needed. Example When Zoro takes random swords to replace the ones which were broken by mihawk as they dont have any side effects he doesn't need to get familliar with those swords.
I also give you an example with Shusui.
I said it he wasn't familiar with this sword because she was heavier and because Shusui wasn't accurate. He overcome those issues and he became used to this sword.
It's not the original translate Here you have Getting used which is the same thing as Zoro said in this chapter.
Also I checked and Hitetsu say the main reason not you must be. But must be Stay valid if you think an assumption of a specialist become true under conditions.
I know but Yubashiri was lighter, shusui heavier and Sandai was cursed but for none of them we get an actual training panel. So it's irrelevant to have this only for those thing. The training is for the CoA drain.
How do you know ? We dont have panels hitetsu have a job and needs to take care of Tama.
No the scene doesn't talk about others thing that CoA drain. You add things it's Just headcannons.
Zoro never stated he needs to get use to something other than the CoA drain. The whole point of this scene is to show Enma drain your CoA and it's a problem. If Enma didn't have any drawbacks this training won't be needed. Example When Zoro takes random swords to replace the ones which were broken by mihawk as they dont have any side effects he doesn't need to get familliar with those swords.
I also give you an example with Shusui.
I said it he wasn't familiar with this sword because she was heavier and because Shusui wasn't accurate. He overcome those issues and he became used to this sword.
It's not the original translate Here you have Getting used which is the same thing as Zoro said in this chapter.
Also I checked and Hitetsu say the main reason not you must be. But must be Stay valid if you think an assumption of a specialist become true under conditions.
I know but Yubashiri was lighter, shusui heavier and Sandai was cursed but for none of them we get an actual training panel. So it's irrelevant to have this only for those thing. The training is for the CoA drain.
How do you know ? We dont have panels hitetsu have a job and needs to take care of Tama.
They are happy to rely on the technology, Sanji is not and is only doing so begrudgingly.
Also they aren't as fast as Sanji is in base, nor do they have his wide field of CoO. Sanji will have to improve his CoO to keep up with the Raid suit otherwise he won't have the same effective range on his CoO.
He was severely damaged going into the Vergo fight, and his durability will naturally be enhanced as it is for all fighters each arc. He managed to stop Vergo from achieving his goals and killing those marines, it was Sanji's moral victory. He beat yonji no diff and would have probably beat Judge if he didn't cheat, the others were fighting him when his hands were literally tied.
Look up overspeed training... If he is going too fast for him to properly react to, then when he can react he will have improved if he is moving at "light speed" and gains "light speed" reactions to match then he will have improved in base.
If he is invisible, he needs to mask himself from CoO detection or it is worthless, therefore his stealth capabilites will be improved in base as he learns to hide intent-
These are just proposed mechanisms for how this COULD work, Oda could keep Raid suit till EOS, or he could decide to use it as a training tool in these ways I've outlined and it would be believable, especially as Oda is a genius writer and I'm just some internet idiot.
Sanji's hypothetical CoO gains won't go away if you take the raid suit away either. Narratively speaking he either outgrows the raid suit making it's buffs minimal, or he keeps the raid suit till EOS, in which case you can argue reasonably that the strength he would lose would be the same as if Zoro didn't have access to his ultra rare top tier swords which absolutely are a buff compared to random cutlasses.
Also they aren't as fast as Sanji is in base, nor do they have his wide field of CoO. Sanji will have to improve his CoO to keep up with the Raid suit otherwise he won't have the same effective range on his CoO.
He was severely damaged going into the Vergo fight, and his durability will naturally be enhanced as it is for all fighters each arc. He managed to stop Vergo from achieving his goals and killing those marines, it was Sanji's moral victory. He beat yonji no diff and would have probably beat Judge if he didn't cheat, the others were fighting him when his hands were literally tied.
Look up overspeed training... If he is going too fast for him to properly react to, then when he can react he will have improved if he is moving at "light speed" and gains "light speed" reactions to match then he will have improved in base.
If he is invisible, he needs to mask himself from CoO detection or it is worthless, therefore his stealth capabilites will be improved in base as he learns to hide intent-
These are just proposed mechanisms for how this COULD work, Oda could keep Raid suit till EOS, or he could decide to use it as a training tool in these ways I've outlined and it would be believable, especially as Oda is a genius writer and I'm just some internet idiot.
Sanji's hypothetical CoO gains won't go away if you take the raid suit away either. Narratively speaking he either outgrows the raid suit making it's buffs minimal, or he keeps the raid suit till EOS, in which case you can argue reasonably that the strength he would lose would be the same as if Zoro didn't have access to his ultra rare top tier swords which absolutely are a buff compared to random cutlasses.
Raid suit is trash without a strong user just like enma.
Base-Sanji destroyed a Yonji who had genetic modifcations with iron skin and plus on top of that he had raid suit speed boosters accerlators and also had the durability that the raid suit gives extra. Even after all those Base Sanji still bashed in Yonji's face and destroyed him.
People think the raid suit is an instant power up and a G4 level powerup is so stupid.
If the raid suit is that over powered and a G4 level boost than Yonji putting on the raid suit should have low diff'd Sanji.
Base-Sanji destroyed a Yonji who had genetic modifcations with iron skin and plus on top of that he had raid suit speed boosters accerlators and also had the durability that the raid suit gives extra. Even after all those Base Sanji still bashed in Yonji's face and destroyed him.
People think the raid suit is an instant power up and a G4 level powerup is so stupid.
If the raid suit is that over powered and a G4 level boost than Yonji putting on the raid suit should have low diff'd Sanji.
@M944 It's actually a South Park reference :smithnie:
Gnomes go into people's houses at night and steal their underwear. When asked why they would do such a thing, they have a flow chart with their process on it.
It goes
Gnomes go into people's houses at night and steal their underwear. When asked why they would do such a thing, they have a flow chart with their process on it.
It goes
- Collect underpants
- ?
- Profit
