Rank These Qin Commanders From Strongest To Weakest

[Lee Ba Shou]

Didn't Yotanwa herself state while fighting the city at the entrance of Zhao that she doesn't care much about strategies?
Her strategy wasn't really amazing either, drawing enemies out as much as they can to capture their base, not like Ousen would fall for something like that.

Riboku stated that he dislikes warfare. Does that mean he is bad at warfare? Yo Tan Wa not liking strategy doesn’t mean she’s bad at it (I don’t even remember that quote tbh).

Her strategy overcame Shunsuiju though. Just because she wouldn’t outplay the smartest character in Kingdom means she is a “trash strategist”? Shunsuiju is to strategy as Bananji is to Martial strength, IE Shunsuiju is like a low top tier strategist lol. And Yo Tan Wa won the strategic battle against him.

 

[Owl Ki]

Didn't Yotanwa herself state while fighting the city at the entrance of Zhao that she doesn't care much about strategies?

She has still proven to be talented at utilising tactics capable of defeating highly competent strategists regardless. Lol.

Her strategy wasn't really amazing either, drawing enemies out as much as they can to capture their base, not like Ousen would fall for something like that.

Ousen is like the current #2 strategist ever in Kingdom, so to say Yotanwa is trash because the current second smartest character alive wouldn't fall for it is a bit unfair.

The idea of bait is a basic concept. The art behind it is making said bait look so irresistible enough to fool the enemy while simultaneously keeping your own forces coherent enough to achieve their objective.

The difficulty is not in the concept itself but in the execution of the concept.

Considering all of the colossal disadvantages against Yotanwa (e.g. food shortage, enemy possessing home advantage, having a considerably smaller force etc.), she pulled off a tactical miracle.

 

[MarineHQ]

Riboku stated that he dislikes warfare. Does that mean he is bad at warfare? Yo Tan Wa not liking strategy doesn’t mean she’s bad at it (I don’t even remember that quote tbh).

Her strategy overcame Shunsuiju though. Just because she wouldn’t outplay the smartest character in Kingdom means she is a “trash strategist”? Shunsuiju is to strategy as Bananji is to Martial strength, IE Shunsuiju is like a low top tier strategist lol. And Yo Tan Wa won the strategic battle against him.

She has still proven to be talented at utilising tactics capable of defeating highly competent strategists regardless. Lol.

Ousen is like the current #2 strategist ever in Kingdom, so to say Yotanwa is trash because the current second smartest character alive wouldn't fall for it is a bit unfair.

The idea of bait is a basic concept. The art behind it is making said bait look so irresistible enough to fool the enemy while simultaneously keeping your own forces coherent enough to achieve their objective.

The difficulty is not in the concept itself but in the execution of the concept.

Considering all of the colossal disadvantages against Yotanwa (e.g. food shortage, enemy possessing home advantage, having a considerably smaller force etc.), she pulled off a tactical miracle.

Calling YTW's strategy level trash may've been a bit too much but i was judging them in an hypothetical battle against each other anyways in which she is clearly the weakest in that regard, at least i doubt that she is beating Ousen, Tou or Kanki. It surely isn't her forte but it's no weakness either.

PS: Still think leaving your Base with your entire army without letting a decent amount back to protect it was insanely stupid from Shunsuiju's part, not the like the Qin could just bail and leave Gyou and Kanki wide open.

 

[Lee Ba Shou]

Okay so I shall now explain why I think Moubu is the dominant General in Qin right now:

1. Shouheikun’s words on pre-Coalition Moubu were that Moubu was the most terrifying General in Qin at the time. This was said by Shouheikun at a time when Ousen, Kanki, and Tou were all active Qin Generals, and yet Moubu was still considered to be the strongest Qin General by the most credible source in Qin lol.

2. Mouten referred to Moubu as “the strongest offensive power in Qin history,” which is majorly significant as two of the Qin 6 GG, Oukotsu and Kyou, were known for being heavily offensive generals. None of the other members of this thread have received a similar level of hype, the other commanders here were all said to be Qin 6 level, but not straight up above them like Moubu.

Now these portrayal / “x was said” arguments are never iron clad, so let’s get to some strength feats:

With the exception of the Gyou Campaign, none of the feats pulled off by the other commanders in this thread are outside of Moubu’s abilities. Put Moubu up against Rinbukun? Yeah Rinbukun is getting squashed way harder than he did against Tou. Put Moubu at Ryouyou? Yeah even Rozo himself is getting crushed. Put Moubu at Kokuyou hills? The central hill is falling on day one, bet money lol.

None of the other Generals here have feats outside of Moubu’s abilities with the exception of grand scale campaigning like Ousen, which is great but not always possible and is very situational. But no other commander here is beating Kanmei in a head to head battle, no other commander here is stopping Man’U’s offense. Hell Moubu even held Karin at bay for 3 years, he’s not so easy to beat strategically.

So yeah just imho.

@Owl Ki @TheKnightOfTheSea @MarineHQ62 etc

 

[Owl Ki]

PS: Still think leaving your Base with your entire army without letting a decent amount back to protect it was insanely stupid from Shunsuiju's part, not the like the Qin could just bail and leave Gyou and Kanki wide open.

There was a decent amount of troops left to protect the city though.

Spoiler: Chapter 572

https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Kingdom-chapter-572-page-4.html

Also, the Mountain Tribes attacked the city in such a way that would be incomprehensible to plains dweller Generals.

Spoiler: Chapter 569

https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Kingdom-chapter-569-page-20.html

Unless a plains commander had already faced the Mountain Tribes and knew that they were capable of this nonsense then there would be no way to predict this. Lol.

 

[FaradaySloth]

With prep
1) Ousen
2) Kanki
3) Tou/Yotanwa
100) Moubu

Without prep
1) Moubu
2) Tou
3) Yotanwa
4) Kanki
5) Ousen, surprisingly, unless if I'm missing some no prep feats of him, Ousen pretty much said he'd run if he knew there was even a chance that he might lose.

 

[Blackbeard]

The contenders are:

Moubu

Ousen

Yo Tan Wa

Tou

Kanki

I was having a conversation yesterday with @TheKnightOfTheSea and @Dark King (who is he on WG? Lol) about these 5 and how they compare to each other. Rank these characters in terms of their strength as Generals (IE, Ousen’s tactics and subordinates vs Moubu’s brute strength and leadership, etc etc etc) from strongest to weakest. Share your thoughts!

@RayanOO @Owl Ki @RiShin @TheKnightOfTheSea @Seth @Monet @Blackbeard @Xione @Bullet @Shanks @Dark Admiral @MarineHQ62 @FaradaySloth @Jailer @Red Admiral @AllKingdomBois

Impossible lol, unlike shitty OP fights where it doesn't fucking matter where and who they fight or how much prep they have (insert YC1 vs YC3 and call it a day) lol.

Where do they battle? Plains, mountains, forests, the terrain advantage is either an advantage or disadvantage for each of their armies, Ousen can make fodders exploit Wei Dis and immediately pull a fort out of his ass with a mountain in sight, Kokuyou is the optimal location for Kanki's hit-and-run ambush strategies. Whom are they fighting? Moubu would get cucked harder against Kanki's guerrilla and psychological warfare than the remaining three.

But under normal conditions in a traditional plain war, if i had to choose one it would be Tou because his experience makes him the best all-around Great General. He may not win battles that require the peak of Ousen's insight or the peak of Moubu's strength, or the immense fighting strength and ability to overcome various terrains like mountain tribes or Kanki's table turning mind games, BUT in a plain traditional battle without terrain, vassal or prep advantages, Tou has no openings to take advantage of since the experience he amassed after he survived multitudes of battlefields alongside Ouki is what made Gohoumei refer to him as the only Qin General without flaws.

 

[Dark Admiral]

1. Moubu
2.
3.
4. Tou
5. Yo Tan Wa
6. Kanki
7. Ousen
5 and 6 may interchange depending on Kanki's future display of power.

Post automatically merged: Aug 27, 2021

just to clarify, my list is based on their physical strength and their ability to mow down their enemy army.

 

[RayanOO]

Put Moubu at Kokuyou hills? The central hill is falling on day one, bet money lol.

I’m not that sure. Keisha was a beast instinct strategist and put them on their toes during the campaign.

The forest and hills offer Keisha lots of openings and traps.

 

[MarineHQ]

Impossible lol, unlike shitty OP fights where it doesn't fucking matter where and who they fight or how much prep they have (insert YC1 vs YC3 and call it a day) lol.

Where do they battle? Plains, mountains, forests, the terrain advantage is either an advantage or disadvantage for each of their armies, Ousen can make fodders exploit Wei Dis and immediately pull a fort out of his ass with a mountain in sight, Kokuyou is the optimal location for Kanki's hit-and-run ambush strategies. Whom are they fighting? Moubu would get cucked harder against Kanki's guerrilla and psychological warfare than the remaining three.

But under normal conditions in a traditional plain war, if i had to choose one it would be Tou because his experience makes him the best all-around Great General. He may not win battles that require the peak of Ousen's insight or the peak of Moubu's strength, or the immense fighting strength and ability to overcome various terrains like mountain tribes or Kanki's table turning mind games, BUT in a plain traditional battle without terrain, vassal or prep advantages, Tou has no openings to take advantage of since the experience he amassed after he survived multitudes of battlefields alongside Ouki is what made Gohoumei refer to him as the only Qin General without flaws.

Very good answer. Tou is definitely by far the general with the least weaknesses, actually, we don't even know a single one. He can seemingly do anything on a high level and his real strength is still considered a mystery. We probably should've taken Ouki at face value when he stated that Tou's abilities aren't inferior to his.

 

[Xlaw]

On individual basis , they all are comparable to each other...
But when we consider their subordinate and troops strength too then Ousen army has edge over others , followed by Yontanwa .
Both Yontanwa and Moubu strong leader but Yo tan wa has proven stronger subordinates and fodders.
Among all generals none of Tou generals have stand out so far...
Kanki army is so far one man army , the way Kanki fight a war he doesn't always need strong fodders , but when he do need his armies weakness exposed..

To conclude :

Ousen Army : Strong leadership with strong left. generals and the best organised troops.

Yo Ta Nawa : Strong leadership with Strong left. Generals and strongest fodders

Moubu : Strong Leader with strong units

Kanki : Strong leadership with experienced army in gorilla warfare

Tou : Experienced leadership with well organised army.

 

[RiShin]

There is way too many factors involved to outright say who is stronger imo because one could defeat the other but the loser could defeat the winner of the next war, so basically a loop.
But If I have to pick who will come on top, it shall be Tou. The general with no flaws.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

The contenders are:

Moubu

Ousen

Yo Tan Wa

Tou

Kanki

I was having a conversation yesterday with @TheKnightOfTheSea and @Dark King (who is he on WG? Lol) about these 5 and how they compare to each other. Rank these characters in terms of their strength as Generals (IE, Ousen’s tactics and subordinates vs Moubu’s brute strength and leadership, etc etc etc) from strongest to weakest. Share your thoughts!

@RayanOO @Owl Ki @RiShin @TheKnightOfTheSea @Seth @Monet @Blackbeard @Xione @Bullet @Shanks @Dark Admiral @MarineHQ62 @FaradaySloth @Jailer @Red Admiral @AllKingdomBois

Start tagging me in these.

 

[Yoru]

After read the newest chapter i think kanki got upper hand in term his army and his power alone, maybe his strategies not like ousen or other general who got their strategies from study and he not as strong as moubu in term of power, but in latest chapter we can see how effective his own strategies and his skill when easily killing officer. And kanki got more officer which has some deep character explanation.