Future Events Rayleigh bounty guesses?

soupongo

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GalaxyLevelShanks said:
People really overstating the bounties lol it's just the RHM of the PK, very prestigious but definitely not on the level of Yonkos. Most of this comes from hype from the cool factor Rayleigh has for being the Jiraiya of One Piece. Remember, WB and his crew were equals of Roger Pirates and Marco couldn't even crack 1.4 billion. Now obviously prime Rayleigh is more important and stronger than Marco but simply being part of PK crew shouldn't give you higher bounties than every current Yonko. My guess would be 3-3.5, 3.7 max, anyone saying above 4b is tweaking lol he's not getting a higher bounty for being an underling than current established Yonko captains like Shanks and Teach
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The Government cares more about the void century than anything else though. Putting Rayleigh above the current Yonko who have no stability but under Big Mom and Kaido who were at God Valley and had stable empires for decades seems perfect to me.
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Sir Yasheen said:
It’s because of Rayleighs prestige in the verse. As Garp said “the marines won’t want to fight two legends as once.” Hell, Blackbeard shuddered at the sheer sight of Rayleigh just recently.

Unless oda is downgrading his bounty with his age, in his prime Ray should have an emperors level bounty cause his prestige is genuinely on par with theirs at the very least.
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It can be argued that he's more famous in verse then the admirals and Yonko based on SH reactions.
 
GalaxyLevelShanks

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Sir Yasheen said:
It’s because of Rayleighs prestige in the verse. As Garp said “the marines won’t want to fight two legends as once.” Hell, Blackbeard shuddered at the sheer sight of Rayleigh just recently.

Unless oda is downgrading his bounty with his age, in his prime Ray should have an emperors level bounty cause his prestige is genuinely on par with theirs at the very least.
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I mean sure he's on the same tier as them but do you really think he's stronger? Especially someone like Shanks who's feats, narrative and portrayal far surpass Rayleigh's at this point in the story? I mean sure BB was scared of Ray but Ray admitting he can't beat him in old age is portrayal for me that Teach has surpassed most old legends even in prime, even if he hasn't realised it. Ray is top tier, gives every character in the verse a good high-extreme diff point but it makes no sense if his prime version is stronger than some of the biggest current players of the story. I'm not trying to diminish who he is but there's no way I can see any underling > established Yonkos in terms of bounty (aside from Mihawk)
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soupongo said:
The Government cares more about the void century than anything else though. Putting Rayleigh above the current Yonko who have no stability but under Big Mom and Kaido who were at God Valley and had stable empires for decades seems perfect to me.
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Might as well put prime Gaban and other top commander over established Yonkos in terms of bounty then. Why are we drawing the line at Rayleigh? Sure the government cares most about void century stuff but it isn't the only thing that matters. Realistically, Shanks and Teach are far bigger threats to the government than Rayleigh who had no intention of revealing anything after he found the onepiece, this is why they jst let him chill in Sabaody despite knowing he's there
 
Sir Yasheen

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GalaxyLevelShanks said:
I mean sure he's on the same tier as them but do you really think he's stronger? Especially someone like Shanks who's feats, narrative and portrayal far surpass Rayleigh's at this point in the story? I mean sure BB was scared of Ray but Ray admitting he can't beat him in old age is portrayal for me that Teach has surpassed most old legends even in prime, even if he hasn't realised it. Ray is top tier, gives every character in the verse a good high-extreme diff point but it makes no sense if his prime version is stronger than some of the biggest current players of the story. I'm not trying to diminish who he is but there's no way I can see any underling > established Yonkos in terms of bounty (aside from Mihawk)
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Yeah. Rayleigh is a legend that stands shoulder to shoulder with Roger. Even if you think there’s a gap, it’s not massive. Hell just look at a weaker member of the Roger Pirates, Oden, gets treated as by Kaido himself.

I don’t think anyone’s talking about old legends level (I have them on par with the admirals) they’re talking about these characters back in their prime.
 
GalaxyLevelShanks

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Captains are inherently always more dangerous than underlings, this is the concept we've seen with everyone except Mihawk. Yonkos are the 4 greatest pirates on the sea and only tier higher in piracy is PK

Established Yonkos > any underling in terms of bounty (bounty not strength necessarily)
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Sir Yasheen said:
Yeah. Rayleigh is a legend that stands shoulder to shoulder with Roger. Even if you think there’s a gap, it’s not massive. Hell just look at a weaker member of the Roger Pirates, Oden, gets treated as by Kaido himself.

I don’t think anyone’s talking about old legends level (I have them on par with the admirals) they’re talking about these characters back in their prime.
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Will you be willing to put prime Gaban's bounty over Shanks and Teach too then?
 
BoaHancocksHusband

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Sir Yasheen said:
It’s because of Rayleighs prestige in the verse. As Garp said “the marines won’t want to fight two legends as once.” Hell, Blackbeard shuddered at the sheer sight of Rayleigh just recently.

Unless oda is downgrading his bounty with his age, in his prime Ray should have an emperors level bounty cause his prestige is genuinely on par with theirs at the very least.
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Marco has more prestige.
 
soupongo

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GalaxyLevelShanks said:
I mean sure he's on the same tier as them but do you really think he's stronger? Especially someone like Shanks who's feats, narrative and portrayal far surpass Rayleigh's at this point in the story? I mean sure BB was scared of Ray but Ray admitting he can't beat him in old age is portrayal for me that Teach has surpassed most old legends even in prime, even if he hasn't realised it. Ray is top tier, gives every character in the verse a good high-extreme diff point but it makes no sense if his prime version is stronger than some of the biggest current players of the story. I'm not trying to diminish who he is but there's no way I can see any underling > established Yonkos in terms of bounty (aside from Mihawk)
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Might as well put prime Gaban and other top commander over established Yonkos in terms of bounty then. Why are we drawing the line at Rayleigh? Sure the government cares most about void century stuff but it isn't the only thing that matters. Realistically, Shanks and Teach are far bigger threats to the government than Rayleigh who had no intention of revealing anything after he found the onepiece, this is why they jst let him chill in Sabaody despite knowing he's there
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I don't draw a line here, any prominent Roger pirates is likely up there. Also, Shanks and Blackbeards bounties can increase after recent and future actions, but overall, how big of threats to the government are they? The Roger pirates glorified piracy around the world and were known to kill entire armies for a single insult. Rayleigh and Gaban should be above like, Mihawk at least, bounty wise.
 
Sir Yasheen

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GalaxyLevelShanks said:
Captains are inherently always more dangerous than underlings, this is the concept we've seen with everyone except Mihawk. Yonkos are the 4 greatest pirates on the sea and only tier higher in piracy is PK

Established Yonkos > any underling in terms of bounty (bounty not strength necessarily)
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You’re looking at current underlings, there are no subordinates with the infamy of the left and right hand of the pirate king alive right now. Certainly none that Garp and the verse would speak of as a legend who stands equal to Roger.

These guys have insane flack in the world.
 
Zoinks52

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Regardless how powerful Ray is, his bounty is going to be a bit hard to guess because:
a. On one hand he doesn't have a crew or PK title like Roger
b. On the other he's a subordinate to the most legendary captain which as per Oda will bump his bounty up.

I think anywhere between 2 to 4 billion is a good bet as others have said. I'm betting on something just below Shanks and BB.

This doesn't mean he can't contest anyone in the higher ranges in a fight, just how much of a threat the WG sees him as.

But that's just a guess. Honestly I wouldn't be shocked if he was higher.
 
GalaxyLevelShanks

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Sir Yasheen said:
You’re looking at current underlings, there are no subordinates with the infamy of the left and right hand of the pirate king alive right now. Certainly none that Garp and the verse would speak of as a legend who stands equal to Roger.

These guys have insane flack in the world.
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I guess we gotta agree to disagree, I feel you're overrating the overall infamy of the PK's RHM in relation to the Yonko captains (especially the established ones) but I can understand why you feel that away as well. It's just different ways we've portrayed the story


Personally this panel is more important to me

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because Shanks (and other established Yonkos so current Teach would probably have been a part of what garp is talking about if he was Yonko back then) is explicitly called to be on the same level as WB whereas Ray is just called a legend. not all legends are the same level. hence established Yonkos (hell WB is one of them too) like WB, Kaido, BM, Shanks, Teach and eventually Luffy and Buggy will all have higher bounty than underling Rayleigh due to captaincy

But I completely understand if you think otherwise since you're consistent about Gaban who's on the same level as ray to be there
 
PuckTheGreat

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Sir Yasheen said:
It’s because of Rayleighs prestige in the verse. As Garp said “the marines won’t want to fight two legends as once.” Hell, Blackbeard shuddered at the sheer sight of Rayleigh just recently.

Unless oda is downgrading his bounty with his age, in his prime Ray should have an emperors level bounty cause his prestige is genuinely on par with theirs at the very least.
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Thing is that it doesn't really matter how much prestige Rayleigh has in the verse, it's not really gonna overcome clear patterns that Oda's established in the verse. Captain's bounties are usually much higher than subordinate bounties irregardless of strength or prestige of those subordinates. There's no changing that and I think Oda's even commented on something related to this in SBS before. So if you wanna measure Rayleigh's strength and prestige rather than comparing it to the the Yonko bounties, a more appropriate comparison would be with the Yonko commanders.
3 bil for instance in comparison to the likes of King, Marco, Kat etc which is significant. twice at least or even thrice as much in some cases.

Way I think Oda's gonna structure subordinate bounties going forward is as follows:
Yonko Commanders worth their salt: 1bil range
PK Runner up Yonko Commanders in the likes of Teach and Shanks top boys: 2bil range
PK top Commanders: 3bil range

3bil in itself is already well within Yonko bounty territory.
 
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warsame zaylai

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park_min young said:
He should have at least 4 based on how he is presented. Oda could limit him to 3.5 to highlight him being weaker than Mihawk though, tough call.
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Bounty doesnt always mean strength
Dragon could have higher bounty then whitebeard and even roger which I believe but he is weaker then them.

ray was simply a vice captain of the pirate king crew with a legendary reputation. Easily 4 billion
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PuckTheGreat said:
Thing is that it doesn't really matter how much prestige Rayleigh has in the verse, it's not really gonna overcome clear patterns that Oda's established in the verse. Captain's bounties are usually much higher than subordinate bounties irregardless of strength or prestige of those subordinates. There's no changing that and I think Oda's even commented on something related to this in SBS before. So if you wanna measure Rayleigh's strength and prestige rather than comparing it to the the Yonko bounties, a more appropriate comparison would be with the Yonko commanders.
3 bil for instance in comparison to the likes of King, Marco, Kat etc which is significant. twice at least or even thrice as much in some cases.

Way I think Oda's gonna structure subordinate bounties going forward is as follows:
Yonko Commanders what their salt: 1bil range
PK Runner up Yonko Commanders in the likes of Teach and Shanks top boys: 2bil range
PK top Commanders: 3bil range

3bil in itself is already well within Yonko bounty territory.
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Honestly it depends on the crew

Roger and shanks crew for example it’s likely different because both have vice captain who’s name and strength is close to the captain

then you got other crew like big mum kaido whitebeard and BB Who doesn’t have vice captain and you can clearly see the massive difference between the captain and his second strongest or command in reputation and strength

that’s why you can’t compare king katakuri Marco to Benn and ray.
 
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Sir Yasheen

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PuckTheGreat said:
Thing is that it doesn't really matter how much prestige Rayleigh has in the verse, it's not really gonna overcome clear patterns that Oda's established in the verse. Captain's bounties are usually much higher than subordinate bounties irregardless of strength or prestige of those subordinates. There's no changing that and I think Oda's even commented on something related to this in SBS before. So if you wanna measure Rayleigh's strength and prestige rather than comparing it to the the Yonko bounties, a more appropriate comparison would be with the Yonko commanders.
3 bil for instance in comparison to the likes of King, Marco, Kat etc which is significant. twice at least or even thrice as much in some cases.

Way I think Oda's gonna structure subordinate bounties going forward is as follows:
Yonko Commanders worth their salt: 1bil range
PK Runner up Yonko Commanders in the likes of Teach and Shanks top boys: 2bil range
PK top Commanders: 3bil range

3bil in itself is already well within Yonko bounty territory.
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Being hailed as a legend, and scaring off Blackbeard while simultaneously having a lower bounty than Blackbeard in his prime doesn’t make sense to me I’m sorry.

And that’s kinda my main point, Rayleigh as a person has enough hype alone to warrant a 4 billion berry bounty. If oda wrote it as he didn’t have much hype but was just the subordinate of Roger, yeah 3ish would make sense. But that’s not how he’s treated imo.
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GalaxyLevelShanks said:
I guess we gotta agree to disagree, I feel you're overrating the overall infamy of the PK's RHM in relation to the Yonko captains (especially the established ones) but I can understand why you feel that away as well. It's just different ways we've portrayed the story


Personally this panel is more important to me

matters more than this


because Shanks (and other established Yonkos so current Teach would probably have been a part of what garp is talking about if he was Yonko back then) is explicitly called to be on the same level as WB whereas Ray is just called a legend. not all legends are the same level. hence established Yonkos (hell WB is one of them too) like WB, Kaido, BM, Shanks, Teach and eventually Luffy and Buggy will all have higher bounty than underling Rayleigh due to captaincy

But I completely understand if you think otherwise since you're consistent about Gaban who's on the same level as ray to be there
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Remember, these panels were all in comparison to old whitebeard. And as I said with puck, 3.996 Billion Berry Blackbeard being scared of Old Rayleigh while simultaneously having already surpassed Prime Rays bounty just narratively doesn’t fit with BBs character. Especially when we see BBs reaction to Ray in comparison to his reaction to 3 Billion Berry Law.

3 Billion range just genuinely doesn’t feel like it would work anymore because of BBs treatment of Ray
 
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PuckTheGreat

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warsame zaylai said:
Bounty doesnt always mean strength
Dragon could have higher bounty then whitebeard and even roger which I believe but he is weaker then them.

ray was simply a vice captain of the pirate king crew with a legendary reputation. Easily 4 billion
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Honestly it depends on the crew

Roger and shanks crew for example it’s likely different because both have vice captain who’s name and strength is close to the captain

then you got other crew like big mum kaido whitebeard and BB Who doesn’t have vice captain and you can clearly see the massive difference between the captain and his second strongest or command in reputation and strength

that’s why you can’t compare king katakuri Marco to Benn and ray.
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I agree with the notion that bounty dynamics are not exactly the same with all Yonko crews, for example King's bounty being 30% of Kaido's or Kat's being 24% of Linlin in comparison to Zoro who's bounty is 60% of Luffy's which is actually a pattern Oda's been fairly consistent with since the beginning of the series (i.e when Zoro's bounty is closest to Luffy's it's at most 60%~ish of Luffy's bounty). Hence why I'm using Zoro's who has a high percentage of his Captain's bounty in comparison to his peers as a measure for Rayleigh as Ray is basically Zoro's parallel in the Roger Pirates. 60% of Roger's bounty is about 3.3bil.

You mention Roger and Shanks but Luffy's crew is just as good of a measure to use.
We don't know Benn's bounty yet but reckon it will fall in line with the pattern used for Zoro. In the case that he doesn't then we can have that discussion then based off of the information we have atm though imo, it's very unlikely that Ray hits the 4bil mark
 
JoNdule

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Ray won't have a bounty below Posthawk or any other underling. He's the greatest sidekick/underling ever (even though he's weaker than Oden)
His bounty will be a little below Shanks or slightly bigger
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Rayleigh : 3.8B - 4.1B
 
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