Character Discussion Regarding ZKK and people's criticism of Wano
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Did Zoro not give up the fight or are you reading another manga ?
Is giving up now not considered defeat since it applies to Zoro ? How long will you twist the rules for Zoro
Is giving up now not considered defeat since it applies to Zoro ? How long will you twist the rules for Zoro
He offered his head in replacement to Luffy's which Kuma never collected.
So, again, show me at which point did Zoro lose to Kuma. You sure you didnt dream it?
Why did he struck a deal lmao ? You know how dumb you sound. Zoro's main goal was to defeat Kuma and he flopped hard. Kuma's goal was Luffy's head, and Zoro swapped with himself since he knew he couldnt do anything to stop Kuma going for Luffy.
Zoro gave up his life cause he knew he cant stop Kuma from getting to Luffy. These stupid mental gymastics you're putting yourself through makes you seem dumber than you already are.
Zoro gave up his life cause he knew he cant stop Kuma from getting to Luffy. These stupid mental gymastics you're putting yourself through makes you seem dumber than you already are.
I dont sound dumb at all. I want you to show me where Zoro was bested in combat by Kuma because from what I saw, Kuma never landed a single attack on him. Zoro struck a deal because he was at his limit but he never lost. No... Zoro's goal was to protect the crew.
Kuma's goal to bring a head to WG flopped while Zoro saved the crew. Actually Zoro did plenty to stop Kuma from going after Luffy.
Cant stop Kuma =/= losing and he actually did stop him from getting to Luffy, you should actually read the manga.
Again, show me where Zoro lost to Kuma. Is it coming or you admit that you made it up?
Kuma's goal to bring a head to WG flopped while Zoro saved the crew. Actually Zoro did plenty to stop Kuma from going after Luffy.
Cant stop Kuma =/= losing and he actually did stop him from getting to Luffy, you should actually read the manga.
Again, show me where Zoro lost to Kuma. Is it coming or you admit that you made it up?
Instances where Zoro "lost" since that Mihawk fight.
-Arlong because he was still badly injured by Mihawk. Manga clearly implied healthy Zoro would've destroyed him as Arlong couldn't believe Zoro was still alive with an injury
-Enel when CoA wasn't a thing and he couldn't cut him down
-Kuma who showed up when everybody was tired and injured. Zoro did the best out of all the SHs.
-Kizaru who showed up when Zoro was exhausted and injured
None of these qualify as a "fair fight". Zoro was either already injured or exhausted every single time and Enel was basically invincible due to logia intang.
-Arlong because he was still badly injured by Mihawk. Manga clearly implied healthy Zoro would've destroyed him as Arlong couldn't believe Zoro was still alive with an injury
-Enel when CoA wasn't a thing and he couldn't cut him down
-Kuma who showed up when everybody was tired and injured. Zoro did the best out of all the SHs.
-Kizaru who showed up when Zoro was exhausted and injured
None of these qualify as a "fair fight". Zoro was either already injured or exhausted every single time and Enel was basically invincible due to logia intang.
He never landed anything because Sanji saved Zoro's sorry ass.
So yes he was bested. And if it werent for Sanji, Kuma wouldve sent him to hell.
And why was Zoro at his limit ? Because he couldnt do anything to Kuma. He wasted all his energy and gave up to him. He was defeated whether you like to admit it or not. You either win or you lose. Zoro took it upon himself to let Kuma be his opponent and wanted to fight him solo. He lost and begged him to strike a deal.
No no no. Zoro did not save anything. Plot convienience saved the crew. As usual.... Plot let Kuma be a good guy and listen to Zoro's pathetic pleas. If Kuma was a bad guy. He wouldve still killed Zoro and Luffy and give zero fucks. Zoro didnt do much again Zoro survived due to his benelovence and mercy.
Zoro only survived Luffy's pain....which was an impressive endurance feat (kinda). Other than that it was Kuma who let them off the hook and didnt kill them.
So yes he was bested. And if it werent for Sanji, Kuma wouldve sent him to hell.
And why was Zoro at his limit ? Because he couldnt do anything to Kuma. He wasted all his energy and gave up to him. He was defeated whether you like to admit it or not. You either win or you lose. Zoro took it upon himself to let Kuma be his opponent and wanted to fight him solo. He lost and begged him to strike a deal.
No no no. Zoro did not save anything. Plot convienience saved the crew. As usual.... Plot let Kuma be a good guy and listen to Zoro's pathetic pleas. If Kuma was a bad guy. He wouldve still killed Zoro and Luffy and give zero fucks. Zoro didnt do much again Zoro survived due to his benelovence and mercy.
Zoro only survived Luffy's pain....which was an impressive endurance feat (kinda). Other than that it was Kuma who let them off the hook and didnt kill them.
He never landed anything because Sanji saved Zoro's sorry ass.
So yes he was bested. And if it werent for Sanji, Kuma wouldve sent him to hell.
And why was Zoro at his limit ? Because he couldnt do anything to Kuma. He wasted all his energy and gave up to him. He was defeated whether you like to admit it or not. You either win or you lose. Zoro took it upon himself to let Kuma be his opponent and wanted to fight him solo. He lost and begged him to strike a deal.
No no no. Zoro did not save anything. Plot convienience saved the crew. As usual.... Plot let Kuma be a good guy and listen to Zoro's pathetic pleas. If Kuma was a bad guy. He wouldve still killed Zoro and Luffy and give zero fucks. Zoro didnt do much again Zoro survived due to his benelovence and mercy.
Zoro only survived Luffy's pain....which was an impressive endurance feat (kinda). Other than that it was Kuma who let them off the hook and didnt kill them.
So yes he was bested. And if it werent for Sanji, Kuma wouldve sent him to hell.
And why was Zoro at his limit ? Because he couldnt do anything to Kuma. He wasted all his energy and gave up to him. He was defeated whether you like to admit it or not. You either win or you lose. Zoro took it upon himself to let Kuma be his opponent and wanted to fight him solo. He lost and begged him to strike a deal.
No no no. Zoro did not save anything. Plot convienience saved the crew. As usual.... Plot let Kuma be a good guy and listen to Zoro's pathetic pleas. If Kuma was a bad guy. He wouldve still killed Zoro and Luffy and give zero fucks. Zoro didnt do much again Zoro survived due to his benelovence and mercy.
Zoro only survived Luffy's pain....which was an impressive endurance feat (kinda). Other than that it was Kuma who let them off the hook and didnt kill them.
Zoro was at his limit long before Kuma showed up. Show me where Kuma has bested Zoro, can you?
How many times do I have to ask you to show me the part where Kuma is defeating Zoro?
Zoro was stagerring and couldnt get up. So no, he wouldve been hit.
I dont remeber it being stated that Zoro was at his limit. If he was then he wouldnt have been able to fight lol. He was only badly injured. And still Zoro took it upon himself to fight Kuma. Was Zoro not badly injured against Hatchi....but still won ? How many times was Sanji badly injured against his opponent yet still won.
Injuries are not an excuse for defeat. If Zoro was stronger than Kuma, but his injures made him lose. You would still accept that Zoro lost but you would have an argument that Zoro is still stronger.
But here Zoro was always inferior either way so it doesnt matter. He took Kuma on 1v1....and he lost. He couldnt go on so he struck a deal.
I dont remeber it being stated that Zoro was at his limit. If he was then he wouldnt have been able to fight lol. He was only badly injured. And still Zoro took it upon himself to fight Kuma. Was Zoro not badly injured against Hatchi....but still won ? How many times was Sanji badly injured against his opponent yet still won.
Injuries are not an excuse for defeat. If Zoro was stronger than Kuma, but his injures made him lose. You would still accept that Zoro lost but you would have an argument that Zoro is still stronger.
But here Zoro was always inferior either way so it doesnt matter. He took Kuma on 1v1....and he lost. He couldnt go on so he struck a deal.
Headcanon...
Zoro was performing outstandingly well while in a terrible state, to a point that a Warlord with broken powers couldnt land a hit on him.
You obviously dont remember much when it comes to Zoro. I am not surprised.
Your examples are useless because Zoro vs Kuma was never fought to the end for a victor/loser to emerge.
Show me how he lost, bring me the panel where Kuma defeats him. The winning blow. Can you?
Zoro was performing outstandingly well while in a terrible state, to a point that a Warlord with broken powers couldnt land a hit on him.
You obviously dont remember much when it comes to Zoro. I am not surprised.
Your examples are useless because Zoro vs Kuma was never fought to the end for a victor/loser to emerge.
Show me how he lost, bring me the panel where Kuma defeats him. The winning blow. Can you?
Again without Sanji's interferance, Kuma wouldve landed that hit. Of course you can argue he wouldnt but eventually if Zoro never gave up so fast...Kuma wouldve hit him.
Ive already posted a panel of Zoro giving up and pleading to be killed instead of Luffy. If you wanna cry and say that isnt what defeat is, then thats up to you.
Ive already posted a panel of Zoro giving up and pleading to be killed instead of Luffy. If you wanna cry and say that isnt what defeat is, then thats up to you.
Are you challenged?
Zoro did not lose, he found another way to win.
It's like that scene a captain America where Steve chooses to make the pole fall rather than climb it. Zoro realized he was already too near death to fight an opponent of Kuma's caliber(YC tier) head on. Thus, he decided to win by taking an alternate route.
He did not give up, he chose how he wanted the fight to end, and he did. Kuma tried to kill him after he succumbed to Zoro's conditions, and Zoro won that battle too by defeating the "inevitable" death.
Please read the story using reading comprehension.
Zoro did not lose, he found another way to win.
It's like that scene a captain America where Steve chooses to make the pole fall rather than climb it. Zoro realized he was already too near death to fight an opponent of Kuma's caliber(YC tier) head on. Thus, he decided to win by taking an alternate route.
He did not give up, he chose how he wanted the fight to end, and he did. Kuma tried to kill him after he succumbed to Zoro's conditions, and Zoro won that battle too by defeating the "inevitable" death.
Please read the story using reading comprehension.