General & Others Replace 500 million berry Koby with 500 million berry Dressrosa Luffy in Hachinosu
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Yes, absolutely.
For starters, Garp isn't soloing the BBPs, he's dealing with the YCs, while Grus, Koby and Helmeppo are bruised likely from holding the rest of the crew.
What would Dressrosa Luffy change? He wasn't even YC3 level, so he wouldn't help with the Shiryu situation, who even if you want to consider him as the weakest YC1, is still a YC1, way above Cracker and Doflamingo.
So what would Luffy do? Deal with Vasco Shot? Deal with Avalo (who as I mentioned in my previous post, I'm sure someone else from the ship will deal with him, and he's not even participating in the Garp fight as far as we have seen).
I'm not even sure Dressrosa Luffy can take out San Juan Wolf, but what does it matter? Garp low diffed him and easily dealt with Vasco while Shiryu and Aokiji weren't around.
Obviously Dressrosa Luffy would also be a non-factor regarding Aokiji. So it's literally only Vasco Shot that Luffy could deal with. Him or non-factor fodders that Grus, Helmeppo and Koby are already dealing with. Nothing abount Aokiji or Shiryu would change.
So yes, the events could transpire differently, but as I originally said, the end result would be pretty much the same.
I'll throw something else in: Koby isn't as weak as the fandom paints him to be, like some pre-TS fodder. He's always put in the worst spots by the plot (child vs Alvida, barely trained Koby vs Luffy, barely trained Koby vs Akainu, vice-admiral level Koby vs Hancock / Blackbeard, vice-admiral level Koby vs YC1 Shiryu).
He's outclassed here, and as I said in my original comment, he's most likely he's still weaker than Dressrosa Luffy, but Dressrosa Luffy would also be outclassed here. Let's not pretend he hasn't been getting worlds stronger since then.
For starters, Garp isn't soloing the BBPs, he's dealing with the YCs, while Grus, Koby and Helmeppo are bruised likely from holding the rest of the crew.
What would Dressrosa Luffy change? He wasn't even YC3 level, so he wouldn't help with the Shiryu situation, who even if you want to consider him as the weakest YC1, is still a YC1, way above Cracker and Doflamingo.
So what would Luffy do? Deal with Vasco Shot? Deal with Avalo (who as I mentioned in my previous post, I'm sure someone else from the ship will deal with him, and he's not even participating in the Garp fight as far as we have seen).
I'm not even sure Dressrosa Luffy can take out San Juan Wolf, but what does it matter? Garp low diffed him and easily dealt with Vasco while Shiryu and Aokiji weren't around.
Obviously Dressrosa Luffy would also be a non-factor regarding Aokiji. So it's literally only Vasco Shot that Luffy could deal with. Him or non-factor fodders that Grus, Helmeppo and Koby are already dealing with. Nothing abount Aokiji or Shiryu would change.
So yes, the events could transpire differently, but as I originally said, the end result would be pretty much the same.
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I'll throw something else in: Koby isn't as weak as the fandom paints him to be, like some pre-TS fodder. He's always put in the worst spots by the plot (child vs Alvida, barely trained Koby vs Luffy, barely trained Koby vs Akainu, vice-admiral level Koby vs Hancock / Blackbeard, vice-admiral level Koby vs YC1 Shiryu).
He's outclassed here, and as I said in my original comment, he's most likely he's still weaker than Dressrosa Luffy, but Dressrosa Luffy would also be outclassed here. Let's not pretend he hasn't been getting worlds stronger since then.
The issue with bounties is that they are like Haki, just plot device that Oda use at a given time to conveniently further the plot.
There is no real consistency:
-Sometimes the bounty is the sum of all the characters deeds
-Sometimes it represents the most infamous deed
-Sometimes it is just there to show the character standing in the world.
Therefore several people can have the same bounty without them having the same powerlevel or the same level of threat.
For example: 500 millions bounty Law, 500 millions bounty Luffy , 500 millions bounty Enel, 500 millions bounty Coby and 500 millions bounty Usopp do not represent the same level of threat.
This kind of inconsistency that affect the continuity of the narrative are one of the core issues of One Piece.
There is no real consistency:
-Sometimes the bounty is the sum of all the characters deeds
-Sometimes it represents the most infamous deed
-Sometimes it is just there to show the character standing in the world.
Therefore several people can have the same bounty without them having the same powerlevel or the same level of threat.
For example: 500 millions bounty Law, 500 millions bounty Luffy , 500 millions bounty Enel, 500 millions bounty Coby and 500 millions bounty Usopp do not represent the same level of threat.
This kind of inconsistency that affect the continuity of the narrative are one of the core issues of One Piece.
Boundman Luffy straight up has the strongest punching power in One Piece. Garp might have stronger Haki, but in terms of raw power Boundman is unmatched.
Are people still on this fucking bullshit? Luffy with 1 powerup surpassed Katakuri and all YC1s.
In Wano, he was seen as the ringleader, because he had a higher bounty than Marco.
Are people still on this fucking bullshit? Luffy with 1 powerup surpassed Katakuri and all YC1s.
In Wano, he was seen as the ringleader, because he had a higher bounty than Marco.
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Cry me a river. Katakuri surpassed Dressrosa Luffy on more than just FS: even his CoA was objectively a tier above his when the fight started.
Luffy had multiple powerups in the Katakuri fight and he still won only because deep down Katakuri allowed him to.
Dressrosa Luffy didn't have any of those powerups, so bringing up post-WCI Luffy o Wano Luffy goes against the topic. He was below YC3 at the time no matter how easily he jumped to barely YC1.
And since we want to be more specific: Luffy becomes more useless than Koby for 10 minutes after using G4 for a very short time, cementing even further how little the final result of this battle would change.
Luffy had multiple powerups in the Katakuri fight and he still won only because deep down Katakuri allowed him to.
Dressrosa Luffy didn't have any of those powerups, so bringing up post-WCI Luffy o Wano Luffy goes against the topic. He was below YC3 at the time no matter how easily he jumped to barely YC1.
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And since we want to be more specific: Luffy becomes more useless than Koby for 10 minutes after using G4 for a very short time, cementing even further how little the final result of this battle would change.
Big Mom tanked it (and barely). She didn't go fist to fist. And that was just a basic KG.
This is Big Mom punching without ACoC
Luffy doesn't need to beat him on every stat to be a superior fighter. Luffy himself made it clear the only thing stand between him and beating Katakuri was Future Sight.
This is Big Mom punching without ACoC
Luffy doesn't need to beat him on every stat to be a superior fighter. Luffy himself made it clear the only thing stand between him and beating Katakuri was Future Sight.
Luffy there is only saying he's realized Katakuri isn't untouchable because of his fruit but because of his CoO. You made up very wrong conclusions from there.
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Also, is this Big Mom barely tanking something, according to you?
If this is barely tanking, I don't know what a low diff looks like to you.
Big Mom tanked it (and barely). She didn't go fist to fist. And that was just a basic KG.
This is Big Mom punching without ACoC
Luffy doesn't need to beat him on every stat to be a superior fighter. Luffy himself made it clear the only thing stand between him and beating Katakuri was Future Sight.
This is Big Mom punching without ACoC
Luffy doesn't need to beat him on every stat to be a superior fighter. Luffy himself made it clear the only thing stand between him and beating Katakuri was Future Sight.
Nobody punches the same power while laying on the back!
G4 wouldn't even have that powerful AP if luffy is laying on his back.
With your logic, base BM > Biggwr Mom in striking force
Since base BM can damage and beat Capone, giants, etc...
If you need a PU to win then you're weaker than the person
Especially if you wanna surpass the person.
Keep coping
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The fact you need to use the moment she's on her back to justify your wank is silly
Won't change the fact: base Linlin matched G4 with her elbow
You compare characters striking force when they're standing and swinging
Not when they're laying on their backs where they don't generate enough fire output
Yes, I'm comparing it, because Big Mom can't inflate her fist like Luffy. That's giant ass BM already to begin with. Her raw power is nowhere near Boundman.
Stop wasting people's time. Big Mom's arm was rattling from the impact which Yonko dickriders like yourself try to make it seem like she KOed Luffy.
Stop wasting people's time. Big Mom's arm was rattling from the impact which Yonko dickriders like yourself try to make it seem like she KOed Luffy.
Luffy wouldn't strike the same while on his back even if he inflates himself
That's how it works
We have confirmations that Base BM (with koka) ~ Pre ryuo G4
Which means Bigger Mom is above Ryuo G4 (since BM is twice or 3x Bigger)
AdCoc bigger Mom punch ? AdCoC G4 ? Bigger Mom > Ryuo G4 > Base BM ~ G4 in raw Strength
That's how it works
We have confirmations that Base BM (with koka) ~ Pre ryuo G4
Which means Bigger Mom is above Ryuo G4 (since BM is twice or 3x Bigger)
AdCoc bigger Mom punch ? AdCoC G4 ? Bigger Mom > Ryuo G4 > Base BM ~ G4 in raw Strength
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I understand that doffy is SEVERELY underrated so if dressrosa luffy beat him, he shouldnt have much problem with shiryu.
Its wise to remember that he learned future sight just by the sake of needing it so i wouldnt put it past luffy to learn it in order to beat magellan's bitch.
+ if he died, gear 5 would come and save the day.
Real problem, just like it is right now, is kuzan.
Just lol at ZKKrs trying to scale Zoro's opponents to luffy, they will NEVER come close to the MAIN CHARACTER of the show.
Its wise to remember that he learned future sight just by the sake of needing it so i wouldnt put it past luffy to learn it in order to beat magellan's bitch.
+ if he died, gear 5 would come and save the day.
Real problem, just like it is right now, is kuzan.
Just lol at ZKKrs trying to scale Zoro's opponents to luffy, they will NEVER come close to the MAIN CHARACTER of the show.
Well apparently Even-Older Garp who fights the few main crews of Blackbeard Pirates, after dominating Kuzan, in order to save Koby, can't beat Kuzan because Garp is distracted by many factors and sneak attacks while Kuzan has time to rest comfortably after Blue Hole since the other Blackbeard Pirates fight and weakens Even-Older Garp for him.
