Character Discussion Respect Doflamingo

#21
The situation you described never happened. Fujitora was always free to capture him, Kuzan was always free to do the same.
Yet Issho never did because he was specifically holding himself back so the Straw Hats could do it instead.
Kuzan didn't want to incite a war with Kaido so he never killed Doffy.
Crazy bro. It's almost like Aokiji is just a subordinate of a Yonko.
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I've been saying for years that if/when Doflamingo gets out he will become a 2.0-2.5B pirate. Between his strength (that will be retconned), his rivalry with Crocodile (1.965) and his knowledge (Underworld, CD, Yonko dealings, Imu) he is bound to be just shy of an Admiral (3B).

I would bet the house on Cross Guild winning if it came to these match ups

Fujitora vs Mihawk
Green Bull vs Doflamingo & Crocodile

In fact, I really hope it happens now. Would solidify Mihawks status as >Admirals and it would further elaborate on Doflamingo & Crocodile as a duo not unlike Kidd & Law. I would love to see Doflamingo & Crocodile vs Kidd & Law too even if it is mostly off paneled.
His bounty is <1B. Law and Luffy got 1B combined for defeating him and his crew.
 
#22
I've been saying for years that if/when Doflamingo gets out he will become a 2.0-2.5B pirate. Between his strength (that will be retconned), his rivalry with Crocodile (1.965) and his knowledge (Underworld, CD, Yonko dealings, Imu) he is bound to be just shy of an Admiral (3B).

I would bet the house on Cross Guild winning if it came to these match ups

Fujitora vs Mihawk
Green Bull vs Doflamingo & Crocodile

In fact, I really hope it happens now. Would solidify Mihawks status as >Admirals and it would further elaborate on Doflamingo & Crocodile as a duo not unlike Kidd & Law. I would love to see Doflamingo & Crocodile vs Kidd & Law too even if it is mostly off paneled.
I´ve come around to the idea that Doffy is pretty much out of the story for good. Dude is too evil for redemption, he´s too big of a personality to put in CG even(since I doubt Oda would want Doffy overshadowing Croco or Mihawk), and I don´t think anything with him at this point would feel like he got a more satisfying ending then what we got. It´s almost the perfect punishment for him, to see the end of the the CD rule, changing of the era, but he can only read about it. I barely even think Oda will give a satisfying end for Croco, but Croco and Doffy? Nah, I don´t think it would be a good idea.
 
#23
His bounty is <1B. Law and Luffy got 1B combined for defeating him and his crew.
So? It will skyrocket. Or actually only ≈ x6 to 2.040 or something. Paired with Crocodile they will be ≈ 4B ≈ Yonko.

Buggy went from 15M to 3.5B, Crocodile from 81M to 1.9B.

I'm sure Doflamingo got held back by his crew. I wrote this several years ago but many of them got old and/or complacent. Senor Pink, Giolla, Machwise & Lao G all got old and/or fat from sitting at Dressrosa for 10 years. They got complacent. Buffalo & Baby 5 were clearly too weak, Diamante & Pica never fully developed like Vergo did on the seas.

But Doffy was still in top shape physically. Without his crew he is surely even stronger.
 
#24
For years yonko fans have slandered Doflamingo for evading Tsuru and fearing Kaido’s military power
Oda didn’t think well of this slander and had 3 yonkos running for their lives from Garp alone, look at their faces 😂


Doflamingo in the face of Garp’s disciple and superior Aokiji remained cool headed and composed
Walked away like a boss. You can’t buy class.

@Veku @Plex @soupongo @comrade @ConquistadoR @Shiroyru @MonsterKaido
Nope. Doffy ducked Tsuru at the cost of losing his chance at obtaining the DF vital to his plans. WB ducked Garp when he had no good reason to fight Garp
 
#25
So? It will skyrocket. Or actually only ≈ x6 to 2.040 or something. Paired with Crocodile they will be ≈ 4B ≈ Yonko.

Buggy went from 15M to 3.5B, Crocodile from 81M to 1.9B.

I'm sure Doflamingo got held back by his crew. I wrote this several years ago but many of them got old and/or complacent. Senor Pink, Giolla, Machwise & Lao G all got old and/or fat from sitting at Dressrosa for 10 years. They got complacent. Buffalo & Baby 5 were clearly too weak, Diamante & Pica never fully developed like Vergo did on the seas.

But Doffy was still in top shape physically. Without his crew he is surely even stronger.
You understand that those people actually DID THINGS to prove that they're worthy of those bounties right?
Buggy and Croc formed Cross Guild and Croc also got stronger as well.
I can't imagine Doffy doing anything that makes his bounty shoot up from 1B to 2B or above.
Also, Doffy's crew being full of weaklings shouldn't affect his personal strength.
 
#27
Yet Issho never did because he was specifically holding himself back so the Straw Hats could do it instead.
Kuzan didn't want to incite a war with Kaido so he never killed Doffy.

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His bounty is <1B. Law and Luffy got 1B combined for defeating him and his crew.
You gotta stop wasting our time with these arguments, bro.

Doffy is not reading the manga. He doesn´t know exactly what Kuzan and Fujitora are going to do or not do. He´s simply not a coward who´s afraid of death. Same reason he was having the time of his life during the MF war, where plenty of characters were strong enough to kill him.
 
#28
You gotta stop wasting our time with these arguments, bro.

Doffy is not reading the manga. He doesn´t know exactly what Kuzan and Fujitora are going to do or not do. He´s simply not a coward who´s afraid of death. Same reason he was having the time of his life during the MF war, where plenty of characters were strong enough to kill him.
People act a huge fucking fool in this manga when they know they have people who'd protect/avenge them. That's the entire reason people don't just beat CDs to death when they try to kidnap/enslave/rape/etc. people out of nowhere.
No way you think Kuzan knows about Doffy's connections to Kaido yet he would still decide to kill Doffy there and enrage Kaido.
 
#29
Nope. Doffy ducked Tsuru at the cost of losing his chance at obtaining the DF vital to his plans. WB ducked Garp when he had no good reason to fight Garp
Doffy is a captain. He has to look out not for what´s good for him, but his entire crew. Fighting Tsuru would not only involve him, but all his subordinates as well. But when Tsuru and him interact in Mariejois, I mean he listens, but it´s not like hes afraid of her catching him abusing his warlord privilages. He isn´t even scared in the presence of Sengoku himself.
 
#31
Doffy is a captain. He has to look out not for what´s good for him, but his entire crew. Fighting Tsuru would not only involve him, but all his subordinates as well. But when Tsuru and him interact in Mariejois, I mean he listens, but it´s not like hes afraid of her catching him abusing his warlord privilages. He isn´t even scared in the presence of Sengoku himself.
If she catches him doing so and they decide to terminate his position as a Warlord, that affects his ENTIRE CREW as well.
You think they won't immediately move to take all of them down if Doffy makes one mistake?
 
#32
People act a huge fucking fool in this manga when they know they have people who'd protect/avenge them. That's the entire reason people don't just beat CDs to death when they try to kidnap/enslave/rape/etc. people out of nowhere.
Silly comparison. The celestial dragons have people who are obligated to protect them,and everyone knows it. Doffy and Kaido have a black market deal. They are not friends, They are not in an alliance. It is purely business. Doffy will be replaced before the funeral, and Kadio will show up to get drunk and call Doffy a loser. No one knows exactly how/why he would react, and Doffy certainly doesn´t see him as a guy he can rely on. Given the fact that he didn´t ask for help during the DR crisis.

No way you think Kuzan knows about Doffy's connections to Kaido
Assumption, Doffy doesn´t know what Kuzan knows about him. He isn´t reading the manga. If he really saw this as his edge card, he would have tried warning Kuzan before getting in the way of killing Smoker(which was a huge issue for him, as he saw what happened on PH)
yet he would still decide to kill Doffy there and enrage Kaido.
Assumption, if all Doffy knows about Kuzan is that he was a marine for decades, but suddenly he decided to get involved in the black market, Doffy has no way of knowing this guy is even a rational actor.

(also PH is an abandoned island and no one will figure out anyway, but you will cope about this)
 
#33
Silly comparison. The celestial dragons have people who are obligated to protect them,and everyone knows it. Doffy and Kaido have a black market deal. They are not friends, They are not in an alliance. It is purely business. Doffy will be replaced before the funeral, and Kadio will show up to get drunk and call Doffy a loser. No one knows exactly how/why he would react, and Doffy certainly doesn´t see him as a guy he can rely on. Given the fact that he didn´t ask for help during the DR crisis.


Assumption, Doffy doesn´t know what Kuzan knows about him. He isn´t reading the manga. If he really saw this as his edge card, he would have tried warning Kuzan before getting in the way of killing Smoker(which was a huge issue for him, as he saw what happened on PH)

Assumption, if all Doffy knows about Kuzan is that he was a marine for decades, but suddenly he decided to get involved in the black market, Doffy has no way of knowing this guy is even a rational actor.

(also PH is an abandoned island and no one will figure out anyway, but you will cope about this)
Doffy will be replaced before his funeral yet he still hasn't been replaced to this day, Kaido is seen crying like a baby over him losing, and he sent his third strongest soldier to retrieve Doffy too.
If it were that simple then Law wouldn't have went on a huge rant about how he broke the gears the moment he destroyed the SAD Factory.

If Kuzan didn't know his connections with Kaido what was really stopping him from just killing Doffy when he continued to attack Smoker? He deep froze Jozu and Buggy for less severe things. You're also ignoring the fact that there were still Marines and other people at Punk Hazard lol
 
#34
Yeah he actually thought Gladius could kill Fujitora. When he's scared of Kaido, he's actually good at power scaling, and we should take him seriously. When he threatens to kill Fujitora, he's actually bad at powerscaling.

How would a Warlord of the Sea know how strong an Admiral is, anyhow?

I mean bro, they doubt Kaidou when it comes to the actual power scale of the top tiers—a man who saw everyone at their peak, witnessed all the TOP TIER pirates in the manga show their strength. But no, Kaidou is dumb, he’s just bluffing. Imagine what they’re gonna say about Doffy’s power scale?
 
#35
His bounty is <1B. Law and Luffy got 1B combined for defeating him and his crew.
This is the worst argument you can throw up, considering Doflamingo had the highest OG 7 Warlord bounty. Higher than Prime Moria, Kuma, and towering over Croc and Hancock.

We can surmise Mihawk was higher, but on screen Doffy had the highest. If Croc is 2 bill, you can bet your ass DD will be noticeably higher. Pre-TS his bounty was more than 4x higher than Croc.
 
#36
This is the worst argument you can throw up, considering Doflamingo had the highest OG 7 Warlord bounty. Higher than Prime Moria, Kuma, and towering over Croc and Hancock.

We can surmise Mihawk was higher, but on screen Doffy had the highest. If Croc is 2 bill, you can bet your ass DD will be noticeably higher. Pre-TS his bounty was more than 4x higher than Croc.
Wow the dude with the strongest crew of the Warlords (not counting what ever prime Moria's crew was), with CD blood, and knowledge of the treasure of Mariejois had the biggest bounty back then. Big shocker.
How is he going to go from that bounty, though, to one higher than Croc? What will he do to prove he's worthy of such a bounty?
 
#37
Doffy will be replaced before his funeral yet he still hasn't been replaced to this day, Kaido is seen crying like a baby over him losing
Wow, it´s almost like he´s characterized as someone who gets emotional when drunk. Kaido went on to build an alliance with Big mom to do his world war without the smiles anyway, which were a borderline vanity project. Btw, Doffy could be replaced at any minute, he offered nothing. It was Ceasar the clown who was the brain of it all.


If it were that simple then Law wouldn't have went on a huge rant about how he broke the gears the moment he destroyed the SAD Factory.
Law was lying to scare Doffy. He didn´t actually intend to do anything except take Doffy down.

If Kuzan didn't know his connections with Kaido what was really stopping him from just killing Doffy when he continued to attack Smoker?
I will repeat this for the last time. Doffy does not read the manga. He has no idea what Kuzan knows or doesn´t know. He has no idea what Kuzan will do or won´t do. Kuzan could have done *anything* and Doffy would be a retard to convince himself it wasn´t an option that he dies. He simply doesn´t fear his own death

You're also ignoring the fact that there were still Marines and other people at Punk Hazard lol
Let me try helping you out with this one. What could Kuzan have done to those people?
 
#38
Doffy is a captain. He has to look out not for what´s good for him, but his entire crew. Fighting Tsuru would not only involve him, but all his subordinates as well. But when Tsuru and him interact in Mariejois, I mean he listens, but it´s not like hes afraid of her catching him abusing his warlord privilages. He isn´t even scared in the presence of Sengoku himself.
Pre-TS Doflamingo and Post-TS Doflamingo are two completely different characters. Same goes for Law
 
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