[FNZ] Salem of Lies Return of the Throne (Unofficial)

[Fallen Prince]

Yo wassup good morning from spain ,

Anything so far from @seraphoneix ?

 

[Fujishiro]

Yo wassup good morning from spain ,

Anything so far from @seraphoneix ?

Nope
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nothing from flower either.

 

[Reborn]

The time to spice the game up has come to fruition

AL sama has proved loftily inconsistent thus far

> Immediately sus'ed me back trying to build off a castle of cards on air on my answer on Queen
> Had wholly ignored Light's Blue Dragon claim, only highlighting what was convenient and accomodating to him
> Is being highly secretive about his strategies, which is usually barred as weak collaboration

Its gamestyle lacks too much back bone to be deserving a Town meta

Vote Lynch AL sama

Why you are so hell bent on al?

And, final I don't want some complex respone

But you know what, fuck it. Seeing AL jump on this for dumb reasons, he is scummy in my books.
I'll probably vote lynch him later. Don't wanna jump the gun yet.

If you find al scummy then why not put up a vote?

And, I don't buy your reason that you don't wanna jump the gun. If you find someone scummy like you said then putting vote give reactions so why you being passive and letting that opportunity go?

What's holding you back?

Agree with the general consensus tbh
Flower seems the scummiest at the moment. Nothing really that they've said added anything of value to the on going discussion.
Sera always feels like scum even though she's most likely town lol.
Kiwi I don't know since I've never really played games with her.
NW I can't tell due to the trauma of the last game. He's just 50/50 all the time now..

you said flower is scummiest because she hasn't added anything contributive. I agree...

but then I haven't seen you till page 13 adding much to contribution either so doesn't the same argument can be used against you to brand you as sus???


and, there is some contradictions in your reads...

This is your third game... You hardly played with anyone. So you not being sure about kiwi seem justified..

But then you gave town read to others based on meta. Why?

Sera always feels like scum even though she's most likely town lol.
Kiwi I don't know since I've never really played games with her.
Light is ok, his meta seems like the last game so he's most likely town.
Fuji and Reborn are the most townie for the moment. Fuji being the towniest.

Beta is just being beta so he's town.

Queen and Al I can't tell either.

I understood that there's a cool down period when converting. My question is is it always the same period and is it the same for both factions?



I see.

Oh I didn't know. I'll check the wiki to see which roles they might have.




How do we do the first one? Is that what these paladin/sheriff roles are?


Regarding the second one, I will be as helpful as possible. If BD thinks I am not being useful or harming them then I guess it's up to the people. But I am a BD.



Yes Reborn explained it to me.

What do you mean sacrificing?

@Reborn

Do they kill them during day/night? Or get them lynched? Or can they do all of it?




What are paladin and sheriff? Are they invests?

I have noticed that you focused too much on mechanics.

Why?

Are you trying to come out as noob king?

 

[Kiwipom]

If you find al scummy then why not put up a vote?

And, I don't buy your reason that you don't wanna jump the gun. If you find someone scummy like you said then putting vote give reactions so why you being passive and letting that opportunity go?

What's holding you back?

check again. I did vote him.

 

[Fallen Prince]

People keep misread al's statement as trying to push a claim, when he really wasn't.

Al missed you saying Blue, which you clearly stated.

I asked Fallen a question and he twisted it into me being obsessed with something after responding to him once.

I don't like how the phase is going right now because people are trying to see slips were there aren't any.

Here we go again , what is there not to like. I gave you my side of explanation.

AL seem opportunistic.

The liking things was, Fuji said he thinks I was weird with my interaction with you/Reborn/AL. And he adds that there is also the fact that Sera is liking my posts. I asked him what he means with the liking post argument, and he said that last game, scums liked each other’s posts and supported eachother so he thinks it’s something to look into.

I said that this isn’t a good reason to scum read people based off who is liking which posts. But since Fuji is a newbie, I dismissed it.

However, AL did the same when giving reads
mentioned about Seraphoenix liking my posts too. He got defensive when people called it angleshooting and claimed that he agreed with what Fuji was saying. Imo the liking argument is very flawed and doesn’t have a place in a mafia game. Like reading a user based on which posts they liked and it surprised me that AL of all people would be saying this.

That is my reason for sussing him and also the original interaction with you where he was aggressive about alignments then backing off when people said he was weirdly aggressive and saying that he was just trying to pressure you.
I’ll quote later if you want receipts. Can’t rn since I’m on mobile

It does seem to me Al was trying to play hard core , i am yet why he think flower is ok so far
in the game .

In your next part, My interpretation is he was trying to see if sera was playing like his last meta game.

However looking into hisplay pattern he doesnt come out as defensive , the guy is detailing this likely happens when we you play with them for long time.

Other than that i recognised people in this forum have habit of liking everywhere .

 

[Reborn]

Now you're just being silly.

Day 1 is a day when people play more loose then they would normally to me. 99% you'll lynch a townie which is a decent sacrifice to lower the numbers but then you focus on people the next day and how they behave differently and how they've changed.

Also even clear players need to remain suspicious in mafia but the point is to figure out who comes off most sus Day 1 to lynch. You want to find a target not make up fake reads and try to force slips that are almost always town forcing town to slip.

And, how what I said is silly??

We need to Lynch most suspicious but it shouldn't be some blind shot based on tin foil meta...

So how what I said is silly?

check again. I did vote him.

Oh I am still on page 14...asked questions till what everyone posted till that time.

 

[krogothwolf]

Here we go again , what is there not to like. I gave you my side of explanation.

Not saying you're scum. I feel you're trying to catch slips were there aren't any and I was using that as an example of people trying to find slips where there aren't any. Read the whole post just don't read where I mentioned your name.
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And, how what I said is silly??

We need to Lynch most suspicious but it shouldn't be some blind shot based on tin foil meta...

So how what I said is silly?

Oh I am still on page 14...asked questions till what everyone posted till that time.

Discounting something because you dislike it is silly.

 

[Fallen Prince]

Nope
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nothing from flower either.

Anyway , i really did think sera has sort put out blinder again when you quote about flower yesterday .

Did he try to sus on reborn yesterday because he didnt really show much in early part of day phase.

 

[Reborn]

Discounting something because you dislike it is silly.

Aren't you doing the same?

Meta can be faked...

I just don't want to focus on it to give town read to anyone especially on day one when it's much more easier to fake meta..this is the reason why mislynches happen.


As days pass, inconsistency peeps in so then it makes much more sense.

I don't Know why you even arguing on this?

 

[Fallen Prince]

Okay have we misssed anyone.

Is @Sunita even playing ? Few are missing the radar.

Are you new to the game ?

 

[krogothwolf]

Aren't you doing the same?

Meta can be faked...

I just don't want to focus on it to give town read to anyone especially on day one when it's much more easier to fake meta..this is the reason why mislynches happen.


As days pass, inconsistency peeps in so then it makes much more sense.

I don't Know why you even arguing on this?

What did I discount? I never said anyone was clean and things can change but you are actively discounting something fully cause you don't like it.

Meta can be faked but meta also lets you see how people change as the game goes allowing for you to find said inconsistencies. Meta is a tool to use ignoring it is silly.

Mislynches happen for a lot of reasons then just meta reads.

I don't know why you are ignoring the point I'm making.
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Okay have we misssed anyone.

Is @Sunita even playing ? Few are missing the radar.

Are you new to the game ?

Sunita posted a few and they are new.

 

[Fujishiro]

Anyway , i really did think sera has sort put out blinder again when you quote about flower yesterday .

Did he try to sus on reborn yesterday because he didnt really show much in early part of day phase.

He sussed reborn, but as a joke i think, same as kiwi. Tho as i said. He came in said absolutely nothing of value then left.

Flower is weird tho, imo but to a lesser degree as me and i think others are saying, she didnt contribute much before sleeping.

Yeah, sunita came in an hour or so ago.
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to me not as me*

 

[Fallen Prince]

He sussed reborn, but as a joke i think, same as kiwi. Tho as i said. He came in said absolutely nothing of value then left.

Flower is weird tho, imo but to a lesser degree as me and i think others are saying, she didnt contribute much before sleeping.

Yeah, sunita came in an hour or so ago.
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to me not as me*

Okay is this reborn lynch same as beta , i am not used to meme votes here.

 

[Reborn]

What did I discount? I never said anyone was clean and things can change but you are actively discounting something fully cause you don't like it.

Meta can be faked but meta also lets you see how people change as the game goes allowing for you to find said inconsistencies. Meta is a tool to use ignoring it is silly.

Mislynches happen for a lot of reasons then just meta reads.

I don't know why you are ignoring the point I'm making.
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Sunita posted a few and they are new.

When exactly I said "ignore meta"


I said don't rely plainly on meta....

Okay is this reborn lynch same as beta , i am not used to meme votes here.

Sera vote on me was more of a joke..

I don't think that's a spite lynch or anything....

 

[Ena]

Why you are so hell bent on al?

And, final I don't want some complex respone

If you find al scummy then why not put up a vote?

And, I don't buy your reason that you don't wanna jump the gun. If you find someone scummy like you said then putting vote give reactions so why you being passive and letting that opportunity go?

What's holding you back?


you said flower is scummiest because she hasn't added anything contributive. I agree...

but then I haven't seen you till page 13 adding much to contribution either so doesn't the same argument can be used against you to brand you as sus???


and, there is some contradictions in your reads...

This is your third game... You hardly played with anyone. So you not being sure about kiwi seem justified..

But then you gave town read to others based on meta. Why?







I have noticed that you focused too much on mechanics.

Why?

Are you trying to come out as noob king?

isn't this relying on meta?

 

[Fujishiro]

Okay is this reborn lynch same as beta , i am not used to meme votes here.

reborn lynch from kiwi and sera appeared to be meme lynches and kiwi opened up with saying it and sera acquiesed so this should be disregarded until further notice imo.

The beta stuff from last game was because beta was acting super weird and scummy while claiming town, hes doing the same now so not sure what to think of it. I am of the mind he is kinda suspicious because he kept giving vague/trollish answers to people asking him if he was BD. If he was town he should just said im town. But he instead opted for a convulted why ask people for their allignments day 1 anyone can lie quote.

Take of it as you will,

For now: NW(top sus)
Sera
Kiwi/flower/beta imo those 3 are just weird/gut feeling (well beta is being awfully opaque for no reason)

 

[krogothwolf]

When exactly I said "ignore meta"


I said don't rely plainly on meta....



Sera vote on me was more of a joke..

I don't think that's a spite lynch or anything....

You're acting like it though with how you're responding because I never said basing it fully on it, its not wrong to use it as a place to start. But basing reads off it gives you a place to start.

 

[Fujishiro]

When exactly I said "ignore meta"


I said don't rely plainly on meta....



Sera vote on me was more of a joke..

I don't think that's a spite lynch or anything....

Well i guess you answered him for me lol.

 

[NeutralWatcher]

reborn lynch from kiwi and sera appeared to be meme lynches and kiwi opened up with saying it and sera acquiesed so this should be disregarded until further notice imo.

The beta stuff from last game was because beta was acting super weird and scummy while claiming town, hes doing the same now so not sure what to think of it. I am of the mind he is kinda suspicious because he kept giving vague/trollish answers to people asking him if he was BD. If he was town he should just said im town. But he instead opted for a convulted why ask people for their allignments day 1 anyone can lie quote.

Take of it as you will,

For now: NW(top sus)
Sera
Kiwi/flower/beta imo those 3 are just weird/gut feeling (well beta is being awfully opaque for no reason)

So giving quick read is sus?

 

[Reborn]

isn't this relying on meta?

I asked questions....

Meta can't be ignored.. it's part and parcel of our reads.


My argument was not relying plainly on meta. There is a difference.

You're acting like it though with how you're responding because I never said basing it fully on it, its not wrong to use it as a place to start. But basing reads off it gives you a place to start.

I agree that's it's not wrong to use it as start...


But idk why you find point silly?

Do you even know why I said that in first place? No you don't.

So I am not sure why you argued on this?