[FNZ] Salem of Lies Return of the Throne (Unofficial)

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

was gone for a bit with summer classes
give me a bit to read up

 

[Fujishiro]

Hmm


Let me tell you what I think.

There is at least one scum among those five players. May be two scums or three.... but at least one.


But the list is too big...

So I want to narrow it down to two players...


I don't Count what happened with al and kiwi in the beginning as suspicious. They highlighted themselves right at the beginning which isn't scummy behaviour.

However, there are few posts of them whichever struck me off but then I have other players post that struck me off more.

Light - focused on mechanics...then his scum hunting seem forced. But problem is he is king. We can't blindly take him out.


We need to watch him...but imo he is not playing like townie so far

Marimo - on the fence especially when I consider it's day one..


Wolf - his reads are too diplomatic. Imo it's fine to not have clear reads especially on day one but his reads speak of playing safe. That's scummy...



Now as far as sera and flower are concerned then Yes inactivity is an issue but it's tin foil. People can be inactive for many reasons and it's not concrete ground to sus them for inactivity when they were not even getting sussed real hard.

In short it's between the five players I mentioned to you.


I will go with my intuition for the time being


Vote wolf

The wolf one is indeed interesting, i did tell you that his comment about people finding slips on day1 is bad play behavior which is weird to me as i believe thats lik 80% of the point of a longer day 1 phase. Him not sussing anyone hard is grounds for suspicion.

Asd scum wouldnt try to push town day one cause that could get them lynched, and he wouldnt push scum either for obvious reasons.

The sera one is suspicious because he literraly provided nothing to the discussion, no scums reads no nothing, he just came asked for someone else's allignment, made 2 jokes then left to sleep.

 

[Melontonin]

@Fujishiro i can check to see if he was sussing anyone

 

[Fallen Prince]

Gonna ask you reborn where did you find wolf being diplomatic in any of his post ?

Can quote those to me. So far i have seen is agressive play from him .

 

[Melontonin]

like i said the only "sussing" I have seen was on beta for no reason but imma double check for anything else

 

[Fujishiro]

Who currently?

Thats a good question. Most of the people right now coming off a sus are putting way to big a spotlight on themselves early. It's a bold move for scum because every post will get dissected in the future.

NW acted weird and his reasoning for clearly cobra is weird. At the same time that would cast suspect on both of them to quickly is it a Day 1 slip? Im not sure. It was a weird play but it would be horrible if they were both scum. Do I think cobra is scum, not currently no.

Sera has done little as has flower and their play is a bit odd but the game started at their night so benefit of the doubt is given to both currently till more is revealed, watch them we should.

Final is final and is always playing scum like.

Reborn has been cleanish so far but he is a crafty one and should be watched as well

Sunita is new so will be null right now but must be observed

Marimo is either or for me currently

Mel is new and null right now and should be watched like a hawk.

Fuji is good and comes off clean currently

Lanji I do not know, my gut says somethings off with him

Queen I feel be either or but leans more town.

These be day 1 reads only and subject to change so everyone is suspect even those I feel be town.

@Fallen Prince
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Also saying that most people right now coming off as suss are those putting a big spotlight on themselves could be him trying to throw everyone off his scent as he isnt really doing that, but idk.

Are you sure @Reborn ?

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Gonna ask you reborn where did you find wolf being diplomatic in any of his post ?

Can quote those to me. So far i have seen is agressive play from him .

quote his aggressive game playing for me as well
the little I see krogo falls in the line of players that tries not to do too much D1
he has stated that himself.

 

[Fallen Prince]

@Fujishiro that doesnt really give any info he is diplomatic at all .

Most are his thoughts in the game. How did you conclude he is diplomatic given he has been active in his reads.

 

[Fujishiro]

@Fujishiro that doesnt really give any info he is diplomatic at all .

Most are his thoughts in the game. How did you conclude he is diplomatic given he has been active in his reads.

Im just following through what reborn said, the post i just sent are his recent reads, and they are all neutral and non aggro. The most agro one was the beta one but that may just be taken as a meme.
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@Fujishiro that doesnt really give any info he is diplomatic at all .

Most are his thoughts in the game. How did you conclude he is diplomatic given he has been active in his reads.

What are you current thoughts buddy?

 

[NeutralWatcher]

And remember no matter what, Beta's going to come off scummy.

What do you think about this post?

 

[Reborn]

@Fallen Prince
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Also saying that most people right now coming off as suss are those putting a big spotlight on themselves could be him trying to throw everyone off his scent as he isnt really doing that, but idk.

Are you sure @Reborn ?

Sure? Obviously not....i don't have any results on him.

But that's my read on him.

I asked questions to others as well and will conclude after getting all responses

@Fujishiro that doesnt really give any info he is diplomatic at all .

Most are his thoughts in the game. How did you conclude he is diplomatic given he has been active in his reads.

Diplomatic in context means swinging both ways with reads.


For example, a Player x could be townie because of this but he could be scum as well because of that....

 

[Flower]

Guys, I was sleeping. And I woke up to countless alerts quoting my stuff.

@Fujishiro my timezone is CET. And I went to bed early yesterday because I just couldn't stay awake.

 

[Fallen Prince]

Im just following through what reborn said, the post i just sent are his recent reads, and they are all neutral and non aggro. The most agro one was the beta one but that may just be taken as a meme.
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What are you current thoughts buddy?

Null so far..

Krogothwolf is definately not a diplomatic player like reborn claims.

He has given calculated reads , took part in analysing the game and insight.

Regarding beta as scum i would say that could be chunk in his defense. He like other concluded finalbeta play as scummy given he plays in almost every game in similar style.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Thank god for small miracles.

Its his game, of course he chooses it.

Please, you're going to trust drago after his last games?

I believe so.

I wonder if it mentions who whispers to who. I'm kind of curious if it lets us know who is sending and who is receiving the whispers.

I'm Blue.

The previous game was to funny not to mention things and joke about it :D

Our King. I think odds are he is town currently. How that changes as the game goes along we shall see but per the rules and everything king is best to be ignored until you see them actually harming town.

Al - I think he is town based on what he is saying and how he is acting, nothing indicates otherwise as he's right that there is a strat around sheriff/paladin claiming and he is not pushing for it or anything just bringing something up and trying to move on from caring about what faction we are dealing with. Us knowing the faction doesn't fully help right away it will later on but Day 1 its not important to try to figure out if its unseen or cult, Day 2 we can start speculating based on night results.

Kiwi - I'm not sure, her play seems off to me but I wouldn't says suspect just something seems odd. I don't recall her focusing to much on the mechanics of things but last ToL she was our queen so maybe I'm not reading it right.

Reread what I said about Light. Didn't clear him as town just the odds are he is town.

Per wiki : As of patch 2.0.1, the initial King will be assigned to Blue Dragon (65% chance of appearing) or Cult/Unseen (35% chance of appearing)

We can't do shit about the King regardless right now unless you want to redirect a killer onto him which would require 2 people claiming to do so. The King is known we watch him and see if he fucks people over. If he becomes a problem, butler poisons him on Day 4. Its the best way to deal with the king

As for Al, its because he's usually a useless shit when scum who doesn't really do squat in the thread :D He's making himself obvious which is anti-scum al. Usually anyways.

Honestly, I'm not saying this doesn't happen cause it can, but it's technically considered a form of angle shooting to go off of these as a scum read.

This is why I rarely ever like posts in a mafia game unless they make me laugh.

No worries. Its something a lot of new players will do. Its not a big deal to be honest just be worried if its every stated "no angleshooting" and honestly it s a good practice to avoid so you don't fall into the trappings later on.

Not bad.

To be honest NW saying he trust people who say not to trust anyone is also a weird way to confirm someone is BD. Scum would say the same thing in a game as well so its a really weak trust statement.

Don't always trust someone elses read of another players scum meta, trust your own read. I've played a lot with Al and he doesn't usually make himself so open when playing town, but I could always be wrong in this case because he could be trying to play against meta.



Just wondering why you were concerned about his view of those 2. Honestly I was thinking it was more recency bias then anything else.
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Blue Dragon, the town faction.

I figured you're playing with recency bias is all. Nothing they did screamed please suspect me Day 1.

That was quick since he changed his vote to Sera already.

I asked you once, you responded with that you were asking fuji and why and then I responded with why I was curious about you to ask him and that I thought Fuji's was more recency bias then anything else on his part. Then you say I'm obsessed and that I asked you twice. I'm not sure what you're actually getting because I answered your question on why I asked you about it but you're stuck on something about it.

Why are you so stuck on it when I already answered you?

I quoted a good portion of his quotes here
He is being diplomatic and certainly not aggressive . but thats in line with his meta @Reborn .
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Null so far..

Krogothwolf is definately not a diplomatic player like reborn claims.

He has given calculated reads , took part in analysing the game and insight.

Regarding beta as scum i would say that could be chunk in his defense. He like other concluded finalbeta play as scummy given he plays in almost every game in similar style.

look at the post above mate
and quote those calculated reads

 

[Fujishiro]

Guys, I was sleeping. And I woke up to countless alerts quoting my stuff.

@Fujishiro my timezone is CET. And I went to bed early yesterday because I just couldn't stay awake.

Morning,

Just a quick question, why did you read cobra off as good when all he really posted was that flimsy message about not trusting anyone so far? Is that enough to say that?

Also do try to give us some good reads and thoughts about what you missed while you were sleeping.

Cheers

 

[Melontonin]

The only time Krog susses someone but it doesn't look like it's a serious claim

Sounds suspicious :p

Who currently?

Thats a good question. Most of the people right now coming off a sus are putting way to big a spotlight on themselves early. It's a bold move for scum because every post will get dissected in the future.

NW acted weird and his reasoning for clearly cobra is weird. At the same time that would cast suspect on both of them to quickly is it a Day 1 slip? Im not sure. It was a weird play but it would be horrible if they were both scum. Do I think cobra is scum, not currently no.

Sera has done little as has flower and their play is a bit odd but the game started at their night so benefit of the doubt is given to both currently till more is revealed, watch them we should.

Final is final and is always playing scum like.

Reborn has been cleanish so far but he is a crafty one and should be watched as well

Sunita is new so will be null right now but must be observed

Marimo is either or for me currently

Mel is new and null right now and should be watched like a hawk.

Fuji is good and comes off clean currently

Lanji I do not know, my gut says somethings off with him

Queen I feel be either or but leans more town.

These be day 1 reads only and subject to change so everyone is suspect even those I feel be town.

He's talking about observing people but not sussing anyone except beta, for no reason.

Rereading all that he has written I don't believe him to ever be agressive, but he is playing safe and defending himself
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Can I just mention something about krogo? He seems to say beta is scummy without any evidence in a game where, I can clearly see, everyone is being judged for everything they say.

Some people have talked about this but it never got much attention.


Krog's response to Reborn confronting them about saying beta is scummy has never been addressed. He only answered the second part of Reborn's questioning asking krogo if he is blue or not. Seeming like he is purposefully deflecting.

"Final is final and always playing scum like" - Krogo p.29, again not trusting beta when there is no reason.

Why are you going after beta? I understand I am new and looking at how he talks he isn't very straight to the point and that might be his meta but accusing him of scumminess is not the same as saying he always acts suspicous. It's at the accusitory level.

@Reborn @Fallen Prince what do you think about this?

 

[Kiwipom]

Krogo has always been more diplomatic and passive in games. Like Lanji said it’s his meta. The only thing that surprised me is that he made a read list when he usually doesn’t do that.

 

[Reborn]

I quoted a good portion of his quotes here
He is being diplomatic and certainly not aggressive . but thats in line with his meta @Reborn .

I never put sus on him for being Aggressive..but for being diplomatic and his reads definitely speak of being diplomatic.

Can you tell me that wolf as scum can't fake his town meta?



Yes I could be wrong and he could be playing his usual game but there is something off and I find those diplomatic reads suspicious.


Well I will wait for others whom I asked questions to give responses because as I said, it's between those 5 players but as list is too big so I want to narrow it down in my own way

 

[Fujishiro]

@Fallen Prince are you referring to how he argued with you as the aggressive play?
Also i believe lanji found the rest.

 

[Melontonin]

What do you think about this post?

deffo think it's bizarre, what about you?