Controversial Riboku and Shibashou are the strongest duo in the history of Kingdom

[Elder Lee Hung]

RESPECT

I mean sure, you could maybe invent some duo like Gakuki and Hakuki or something but in terms of canonical duos, nah these guys ain’t losing.

Moubu/Shouheikun? I mean maybe but Riboku vs Shouheikun ain’t looking good, and Moubu vs Shibashou is anyone’s guess.

Ouki/Tou? Maybe but I would argue Shibashou and Riboku are superior both strategically and martially.

Kou En / Kanmei? Maybe but the Godboku provides.

Rakuakan/Hakuokoku? Rumble says this one is looking good.

Renpa / Rinshoujou? That one is tough actually. That might be the one.

But seriously in terms of duos, who are some duos you think can beat these two? Or do you CORRECTLY acknowledge that they are them boys?

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[Alexis2282AE]

Riboku and the plot.

 

[centurion]

No Qin 6GG duo is beating a Zhao 3GH duo.

This was already obvious when Ouki + Tou + Hakuki (3 GG levels) couldn’t beat Renpa (single 3GH) in 2 years during Chouhei.

Han can’t do it either. Or Wei. Or Yan. Or Qi.

Only Zhao and Chu might.

Renpa + Rinshoujou is a solid bet here

Kouen + Kanmei or even SHK also.

that said…

Spoiler: History

this specific duo despite being allegedly “top in the verse”, is not going to last a single year from now…

so no point hyping up their potential “what if” feats and just accept Hango as their only dub.

Thanks, Kakukai…

 

[Blackbeard]

Spoiler

Kouen and SHK.

Moubu vs Shibashou is anyone’s guess.

It's criminal offense we haven't seen Moubu take on Houken even for a short skirmish.

Moubu vs Shibashou would have equal if not more hype, we really need to see how Moubu handles these fast killing machines.

 

[God Buggy]

Spoiler

Kouen and SHK.

This. Qin taking down a full power Chu with them at its helm will be utterly nuts, lol.

 

[Ninjashadow0209]

The greatest duo will be Ousen and GG Shin.

 

[SakazOuki]

Ouki & Hakuki mid diff

 

[Elmahdi]

With Prep?Yes,Ri Boku alone is very OP(The Strongest) with prep and can alone(without SBS) handle up to 2-3 Qin Great General Strategically(In The First Invasion of Northern Zhao Alone,He outmaneuvered The Entire Qin Military(Ousen-SHK-Kanki(this one isn't 100% because Kanki was careless But Still))+Add SBS and you get the strongest Duo by light years.

In a head on head Battle?Renpa and Rinshoujou are superior.
As Much As I Like SBS and Ri Boku,I Think Renpa will absolutely Destroy Ri Boku in a head on head clash,Between His Martial Might and his Leadership and his instincts,Renpa is too much for anyone.
And Rinshoujou can stall SBS long enough for Renpa to destroy Ri Boku(Yes Rinshoujou isn't Ousen,Rinshoujou is much more active +his vassals are superior over Ousen's in both the quality and number(10 whole generals+survived countless clash against martial generals like Ouki/Kyou/Tou +created tacticts mean to slaughter the Qin 6 Generals)(Ironicaly the same tactic riboku/sbs used in hango will be used against them(stall the enemy's martial general(Shin in Hango,SBS now) until your martial general friend route The Enemy CIC(Ousen in Hango,Ri Boku now)

 

[Cichy]

We still don't know much about Shibashou, but I'd say there's a decent chance thats the case.

Riboku is the best strategist in the series, so in most situations they'll have advantage in operational warfare and the usage of their army. Shibashou covers for his weakness in the lack of firepower with his overwhelming offense. The Battle of Hango really shown how terrifying they can be together.

 

[BanditKanki]

No Qin 6GG duo is beating a Zhao 3GH duo.

This was already obvious when Ouki + Tou + Hakuki (3 GG levels) couldn’t beat Renpa (single 3GH) in 2 years during Chouhei.

Han can’t do it either. Or Wei. Or Yan. Or Qi.

Only Zhao and Chu might.

Renpa + Rinshoujou is a solid bet here

Kouen + Kanmei or even SHK also.

that said…

Spoiler: History

this specific duo despite being allegedly “top in the verse”, is not going to last a single year from now…

so no point hyping up their potential “what if” feats and just accept Hango as their only dub.

Thanks, Kakukai…

you don’t know the variables involved at Chouhei but certainly no characters inverse believe a GH duo always beats a Q6. Chouhei was such a huge war and essentially attack vs defence that you could look at Kochou holding off 3 q6 at once to see that all is not all that it seems. Renpa himself spoke freely about he always fell for Hakuki’s schemes on a repeated basis. Does that now mean Q6 are superior? I wouldn’t say so.

I think much of the charm of Q6/Z3 is that ultimately there was no clear pecking order.

 

[Cichy]

Ouki & Hakuki mid diff

Hakuki will get the same treatment as Ousen in Hango if it's any sort of direct battle.

 

[Pirao]

EoS Shin and Mouten fold them.

 

[Xione]

Without including any underlings: It is Ouki and Tou, not just their individual talent combined being better than SBS and Riboku's, but the fact Tou has served under Ouki for decades. Teamwork is a huge factor in team battles.


Including underlings: They take it, Riboku's underling line is up it too much when paired with Shibashou's.

Though... Ouki and Hakuki also take it if they are getting included as a duo.

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I Think Renpa will absolutely Destroy Ri Boku in a head on head clash,

Maybe if this was pre-coalition Riboku. Nobody in China is beating Riboku in a head on clash right now.

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Hakuki will get the same treatment as Ousen in Hango if it's any sort of direct battle.

None of Hakuki's underlings are going to fall for a trap, knowing it's a trap.

Ouki isn't going to chase Riboku into a castle in middle of nowhere and handicap Hakuki's strategies.

 

[Cichy]

None of Hakuki's underlings are going to fall for a trap, knowing it's a trap.

Based on nothing.

Ouki isn't going to chase Riboku into a castle in middle of nowhere and handicap Hakuki's strategies.

Doesn't matter, Ouki by himself can't replace Yotanwa, HSU and GHA at the same time. Riboku can stall him in a different way.

 

[Xione]

Based on nothing.


Doesn't matter, Ouki by himself can't replace Yotanwa, HSU and GHA at the same time. Riboku can stall him in a different way.

- The reason Akou went ahead into the trap was because of his ego. It would be on you to prove Hakuki has an underling with the same amount of Ego. Since you claimed Hakuki would recieve the same treatment. I have no reason to assume Hakuki also has an obsessive underling Akou who thinks that highly of himself.


- Now you're going into underlings vs underlings and army composition. If Ouki and Hakuki are going into battle against SBS, Riboku, Banaji, SSJ, Kansaro, Jiaga, and etc... they're also gonna bring other commanders along with them from Qin, whether direct subordinates or those who they know.

 

[Rumble]

Need to see more from SBS.

 

[Cichy]

I have no reason to assume Hakuki also has an obsessive underling Akou who thinks that highly of himself.

And I have no reason to assume Hakuki's underlings can hold a candle to Seika commanders in direct clash.

- Now you're going into underlings vs underlings and army composition. If Ouki and Hakuki are going into battle against SBS, Riboku, Banaji, SSJ, Kansaro, Jiaga, and etc... they're also gonna bring other commanders along with them from Qin, whether direct subordinates or those who they know.

Sure, thats possible, but the discussion is on who is the superior duo. Qin GG's bringing the commanders from outside of their army seem like a different topic.

 

[Xione]

And I have no reason to assume Hakuki's underlings can hold a candle to Seika commanders in direct clash.


Sure, thats possible, but the discussion is on who is the superior duo. Qin GG's bringing the commanders from outside of their army seem like a different topic.

- But you have reason to assume the army of the guy declared as the leader of the Qin 6, would be weaker than Seika's army? Did Seika get declared as the strongest army in China? Though bruhz not sure why you're mentioning Head on clash, when my point was about Hakuki having or not having a commander with as big of an ego as Akou, who would fall for an obvious trap and thus put Hakuki in a handicap off the get go.

- And if you're putting SBS and Riboku over Ouki-Hakuki by using their subordinates as the reasoning, aren't you just relying on ignorance to create your claim? We dont know the commander's under Hakuki at his peak. And damn near the same for Ouki.

 

[Cichy]

- But you have reason to assume the army of the guy declared as the leader of the Qin 6, would be weaker than Seika's army? Did Seika get declared as the strongest army in China? Though bruhz not sure

Seika doesn't have to be the strongest in China to be superior to Hakuki's forces. Moubu is the leader of new generation of 6GG. Does that mean he has the strongest army in China?

The pattern so far is that Three Great Heavens have better vassals on average then Qin Six. And Seika has been potreyed as a gathering of monsters. So while it's all just speculation there is a reason to assume that.

why you're mentioning Head on clash,

Because this is where this discussion started remember? I was talking about direct battle and you responded to my post.

And if you're putting SBS and Riboku over Ouki-Hakuki by using their subordinates as the reasoning, aren't you just relying on ignorance to create your claim? We dont know the commander's under Hakuki at his peak. And damn near the same for Ouki.

If you want to compare just their hype as commanders then we can do that, but I don't think that changes much.

Shibashou was able to completely crush in battle Ousen who's mind was compared to Hakuki. And Riboku was stated to be a commander of unprecedented level by Ouki himself which puts him above the old generation + had other statements that make him superior.

 

[Xione]

Seika doesn't have to be the strongest in China to be superior to Hakuki's forces. Moubu is the leader of new generation of 6GG. Does that mean he has the strongest army in China?

The pattern so far is that Three Great Heavens have better vassals on average then Qin Six. And Seika has been potreyed as a gathering of monsters. So while it's all just speculation there is a reason to assume that.

There is no leader of the new Qin 6. Tou is the only one who has acted as the leader but that so only in spirit.

The only Qin 6 we have seen in some amount of detail from that era is Ouki and his little army. And even then his army has gone through drastic changes over the course of his career. But him having Tou and Kyou under him at one point already puts him above any 3GH from his era when it comes to the quality of underlings.
We know Koushou had SHK, who then proceeded to become the Chief of Military after his passing. Who do Rinshoujou and Renpa have to match somebody like SHK? And that's only one of his subordinates.

Literally only 1 of the 6 Qin members army has been explored to a decent extent. While 2 of 3 Zhao 3 of that era we know the capabilities of their armies at their primes.

From this generation, RiShin will have a superior squad of underlings than anything Shibashou will have. With Hara's tendency to give Mouten and Ouhon army boosts that'd allow em to keep up with HSU to a certain extent, they likely will too.

Because this is where this discussion started remember? I was talking about direct battle and you responded to my post.

Yes, but i'm saying why are you mentioning a direct clash between their underlings whether Hakuki would have them or not. When I'm simply saying the events that led to Ousen receiving that treatment start from Akou's arrogance at the hands of Riboku.

If you want to compare just their hype as commanders then we can do that, but I don't think that changes much.

Shibashou was able to completely crush in battle Ousen who's mind was compared to Hakuki. And Riboku was stated to be a commander of unprecedented level by Ouki himself which puts him above the old generation + had other statements that make him superior.

- Shibashou was able to crush in battle Ousen, after Riboku removed Ousen's strongest piece from him, Akou. Then proceeded to remove his other strong piece in RiShin. And in trying to dominate/crush an Ousen who was strategically handicapped due to the mistakes by Akou and Shin... What Riboku did to Gekishin is crushing defeat, where you end the battle fast while still mainitaing majority of your army. What Shibashou did wasn't it, the bulldozing over Ousen's army came at a HEAVY cost to Shibashou.... all against an Ousen who couldn't use his three best pieces Akou, Ouhon, Shin... thanks to Riboku. Not sure why people continue to treat this like a 1vs1 between SBS and Ousen.



- Traits of Ousen were compared to Hakuki, not his overall abilities being the equal of Hakuki. Just as a trait of Kanki was compared to Hakuki's.

- Ouki stated an enemy of unprecedented levels has appeared. However, his reasoning for that is the orchestration of such a large scheme. And a scheme which Ouki was able to deduce despite having next to no info. The unprecedented enemy then proceeded to admit inferiority to Ouki's inferior in Renpa in a head on war like Mougou-Renpa.... which is the context we're talking about no?