Speculations Rocks used hostages against the Admiral

[SkySanji]

Sure, your "explanation" is Luffy having a serious fight and randomly forgetting the highest level of offensive haki he had just acquired .

All while saying he had no idea how to damage them no less. Super logical.

Highest level of haki is reserved for the strongest opponents, not for characters like the Gorosei or Pizzaru, Oda knows this and limited him in Egghead.

Why does it burn that much Gaban saying even a skuplitter needs to be mindful about how he uses the CoC lol?

Because Luffy needs to consciously use it against them, now that he knows they're weak to it and isn't restricted by PIS like in Egghead, he will do it, which is why Luffy hasn't undergone any training from Gaban to learn this fanfic "next level application".

So again:

Luffy did use it in serious fights --> he could

Admirals didn't in non serious --> they couldn't

Perfect lol.

So again:

Gaban confirms ACoC is the counter to their immortality and Luffy received no training from Gaban. Admirals having CoC is confirmed literally nowhere and they've had ample opportunities to show it and still nothing, this isn't the "gotcha" moment you seem to think it is.

I don't mind repeating this back and forth, but know that you won't achieve anything.

 

[Zoinks52]

It's possible, since it was specifically mentioned that he took five hostages. Plus he is BB's dad after all.

That said, his feat of slaying an Admiral is obviously meant to hype him up, so it likely wasn't just the Admiral being nerfed that lead to his death.

Need more context overall. Should be very interesting to see how Oda handles this incident and its repercussions going forward.

 

[Dragon777]

Highest level of haki is reserved for the strongest opponents, not for characters like the Gorosei or Pizzaru, Oda knows this and limited him in Egghead.

Because Luffy needs to consciously use it against them, now that he knows they're weak to it and isn't restricted by PIS like in Egghead, he will do it, which is why Luffy hasn't undergone any training from Gaban to learn this fanfic "next level application".

So again:

Gaban confirms ACoC is the counter to their immortality and Luffy received no training from Gaban. Admirals having CoC is confirmed literally nowhere and they've had ample opportunities to show it and still nothing, this isn't the "gotcha" moment you seem to think it is.

I don't mind repeating this back and forth, but know that you won't achieve anything.

So again, to summarize:

- Luffy randomly forgetten to use his strongest haki becuase reasons, even though he was expliclty trying to damage the Gorosei and could not;

- Gaban saying to be mindful at "how" has no beating, useless blabbing;

- again Luffy don't using It in serious fights, he has it; Admirals don't in non serious and they don't lol.

I don't mind repeating this back and forth, but know that you won't achieve anything

Me neither.

Every time It exposes your double standard more.

It's not like you are wriggling out of this and so everyone can see.

 

[SkySanji]

So again, to summarize:

- Luffy randomly forgetten to use his strongest haki becuase reasons, even though he was expliclty trying to damage the Gorosei and could not;

- Gaban saying to be mindful at "how" has no beating, useless blabbing;

- again Luffy don't using It in serious fights, he has it; Admirals don't in non serious and they don't lol.

He didn't "forget", he's a character, not a real person, the answer is that the author just didn't want him to use it, and this is reflected in the fact that we never see ACoC used on panel against them.

Gaban was telling Luffy that ACoC is their weakness, this isn't "blabbing", this is highly important information.

You're comparing two different things

Luffy is confirmed to have CoC and ACoC = factual

Gaban reveals that ACoC is their weakness = factual

There is no need to prove Luffy is capable of it because the manga has already revealed that he is via those two aforementioned facts.

Whereas absolutely nothing even remotely confirms the Admirals having CoC, even after several serious fights, there still isn't the slightest hint, unlike the Gorosei for example who had it confirmed immediately upon their first combat showings.

Me neither.

Every time It exposes your double standard more.

There is no hypocrisy, you just don't like the fact that Luffy can do it and Admirals can't, which isn't my problem, the Admirals are the Gorosei's slaves for a reason, they lack the power to rebel.

 

[kurwa]

Imu isn’t letting any king who may have witnessed him in the Room of Flowers leave MJ alive

He literally let Rocks leave, so the fuck are you on about? No 5 kings were killed, only hostages.

Imu is a bitch.

 

[soupongo]

Imu isn’t letting any king who may have witnessed him in the Room of Flowers leave MJ alive

He probably did, which is why this is one of the dumbest things Oda has ever wrote tbh

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Once again I have no idea tf you are talking about.
Did I deny him having hostages? I just said that he didn't kill them because THAT would be even bigger event than Admiral dying.
Look how Sabo became more famous than Dragon because of killing Cobra.

Well, dear asylum patient:
-one event literally has 5 hostages mentioned
-the other event has no hostages mentioned

There you go. Try to wrap your little brain around that.

Yeah , 5 hostages mentioned.. Against an entirely different opponent.

 

[kurwa]

Yeah , 5 hostages mentioned.. Against an entirely different opponent.

jesus christ, the event is the same. Did you even try to read the post...or the manga page?

He's kidnapped 5 kings during marijoa incident not just when he was with Imu. It was during WHOLE event they were kidnapped.

 

[Dragon777]

He didn't "forget", he's a character, not a real person, the answer is that the author just didn't want him to use it, and this is reflected in the fact that we never see ACoC used on panel against them.

Translation: he randomly forgot he could wound them with any hit he wanted.

Logical.

ACoC is their weakness, this isn't "blabbing", this is highly important information.

You're comparing two different things

Luffy is confirmed to have CoC and ACoC = factual

Gaban reveals that ACoC is their weakness = factual

Gaban telling Luffy to be mindful on how to use It and explain It to them = in the chapter.

Whereas absolutely nothing even remotely confirms the Admirals having CoC, even after several serious fights, there still isn't the slightest hint, unlike the Gorosei for example who had it confirmed immediately upon their first combat showings.

They did in fact, but never mind.

There is no hypocrisy, you just don't like the fact that Luffy can do it and Admirals can't, which isn't my problem, the Admirals are the Gorosei's slaves for a reason, they lack the power to rebel.

No hypocrisy whatsoever.

Luffy randomly forgotten to have the means to hurt them which he had just obtained in the arc before. It's no proof he could not.

But Admirals not showing CoC in non serious fights Is proof they haven't.

There Is no hypocrisy here.

 

[SkySanji]

Translation: he randomly forgot he could wound them with any hit he wanted.

Logical.

How did he forget if he didn't even know it was their weakness yet...

Gaban telling Luffy to be mindful on how to use It and explain It to them = in the chapter.

Telling him to use ACoC against them, did Luffy learn some new level of ACoC from these words lmfao?

They did in fact, but never mind.

They in fact didn't, they are completely CoC-less.

No hypocrisy whatsoever.

Luffy randomly forgotten to have the means to hurt them which he had just obtained in the arc before. It's no proof he could not.

But Admirals not showing CoC in non serious fights Is proof they haven't.

There Is no hypocrisy here.

Again, how could he forget, if he didn't even know it was their weakness yet.

Admirals never showing even a single hint of CoC in serious fights or otherwise is proof they don't have it, yes.

There really is no hypocrisy, this is simply a matter of reading comprehension and you failed at it.

 

[Dragon777]

How did he forget if he didn't even know it was their weakness yet...

Becuase he was literally trying to find how and your explanation Is Luffy forgetting to use the last Arc Major Power up lol.

Telling him to use ACoC against them, did Luffy learn some new level of ACoC from these words lmfao?

Yeah, Gaban explained how to use It.

They in fact didn't, they are completely CoC-less.

We even have him on paper lol.

Again, how could he forget, if he didn't even know it was their weakness yet.

Said.

Admirals never showing even a single hint of CoC in serious fights or otherwise is proof they don't have it, yes.

There really is no hypocrisy, this is simply a matter of reading comprehension and you failed at it.

They did multiple times.

I even proposed a bet, you shied away precisely because you know It lol.

 

[SkySanji]

Becuase he was literally trying to find how and your explanation Is Luffy forgetting to use the last Arc Major Power up lol.

My argument is that the author didn't allow him to use it, but if you can provide an on-panel example of him using it against the Gorosei, go ahead and do so.

Yeah, Gaban explained how to use It.

He explained that Luffy should use it, he didn't teach Luffy a technique or anything of the sorts.

We even have him on paper lol.

What?

They did multiple times.

They didn't at all, there isn't even a single example. The Gorosei had it confirmed right away, there is no excuse at all for the Admirals.

 

[Dragon777]

My argument is that the author didn't allow him to use it, but if you can provide an on-panel example of him using it against the Gorosei, go ahead and do so.

And my argument is that you only do this to protect Luffy and not for any other.

Not to mention this thing would be narrarively absurd. Literally the dumbest thing Oda could have done.
And why anyway?

He explained that Luffy should use it, he didn't teach Luffy a technique or anything of the sorts.

As Hyogoro explained Luffy how to use CoA.

But I suppose we are having and FB on this when Luffy uses It, so.

What?

The on paper explict case is Sengoku.

They didn't at all, there isn't even a single example. The Gorosei had it confirmed right away, there is no excuse at all for the Admirals.

Confirmed? Sengoku aside, I agree, It's objective.

Showed? Another matter.

 

[SkySanji]

And my argument is that you only do this to protect Luffy and not for any other.

Okay.

Not to mention this thing would be narrarively absurd. Literally the dumbest thing Oda could have done.
And why anyway?

Not even close to the dumbest thing Oda has done, it wouldn't even be the first or second time that Oda has had characters not use their full powers with no explanation.

Because the entire Egghead arc would change if Luffy and Zoro are capable of killing the Gorosei, it was designed to be an escape arc, not a fight arc.

As Hyogoro explained Luffy how to use CoA.

But I suppose we are having and FB on this when Luffy uses It, so.

Hyogoro actually taught Luffy and then Luffy trained for weeks or whatever, how do you think that is comparable to Gaban just saying one random sentence with zero indication of another application of CoC...?

The on paper explict case is Sengoku.

First of all, Vivre Card information is not "explicit", there are hundreds of errors in them, Zoro's Vivre Card literally doesn't even list him as a CoC user even though he has directly shown it in the manga and Sengoku never has...

Second, Sengoku is not an Admiral, when I say "Admirals don't have CoC", I'm obviously referring to the current era Admirals, Kizaru, Akainu, Aokiji, Fujitora and Ryokugyu.

Confirmed? Sengoku aside, I agree, It's objective.

Showed? Another matter.

Aside from Sengoku which we both know is you grasping at straws, there isn't even an ounce of evidence.

 

[Dragon777]

Okay.

Not even close to the dumbest thing Oda has done, it wouldn't even be the first or second time that Oda has had characters not use their full powers with no explanation.

Because the entire Egghead arc would change if Luffy and Zoro are capable of killing the Gorosei, it was designed to be an escape arc, not a fight arc.

So you are sayint the mugi would have killed the Gorosei?

Hyogoro actually taught Luffy and then Luffy trained for weeks or whatever, how do you think that is comparable to Gaban just saying one random sentence with zero indication of another application of CoC...?

Difficult to say.

Probably something about making it "permament" inside objects maybe. We'll see.

First of all, Vivre Card information is not "explicit", there are hundreds of errors in them, Zoro's Vivre Card literally doesn't even list him as a CoC user even though he has directly shown it in the manga and Sengoku never has...

Second, Sengoku is not an Admiral, when I say "Admirals don't have CoC", I'm obviously referring to the current era Admirals, Kizaru, Akainu, Aokiji, Fujitora and Ryokugyu.

Wrong VC have been corrected.

Anyway, ok, present ones, even though if Sengoku has It, I don't see why now they shouldn't.

Aside from Sengoku which we both know is you grasping at straws, there isn't even an ounce of evidence.

Aokiji and Koby (future One)
Willing to bet anytime.

 

[Urouge D. Rouge]

He used hostage's

just like his newbie kaido