General & Others Rocks vs the marines

Albino 👑

Albino 👑

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So it’s pretty clear that post rocks the men leading the way for the marines and pirates respectively were Garp + Sengoku and Roger + Whitebeard


It’s clear that at least on the marines side Sengoku and Garp were clear of the rest of them


All that being said what if the marines and rocks pirates at the time paralleled each other at the time. Each main member of rocks having their own marine rival
  1. Xebec - Kong?
  2. Whitebeard - Sengoku
  3. Shiki - admiral?
  4. Linlin - admiral?
  5. Kaido (apprentice) - Dragon/Sakazuki but leaning towards dragon
  6. Pirate king Roger - hero of the marines Garp
Where there 2 other admiral besides Sengoku at the time? Idk but I’d assume so tbh
As for why they were never really mentioned alongside sengoku or even Garp maybe they were simply not that notable in comparison. Same way shiki and Linlin while strong in their own right weren’t really comparable to whitebeard or Roger
 
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JoNdule

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I wish Oda revealed the other 2 Admirals beside Sengoku

Cause it's stupid to think they only had Sengoku and Garp leading Navy as two strongest under Kong when Garp wasn't even admiral
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Like who were Admirals before Kizaru, Akainu and Kuzan became one?

Sengoku became FA around 18-14 years ago

Kizaru became an admiral about 8 years ago
Akainu became an admiral about 12- 10 years ago
Kuzan probably 6-8 years ago
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I think a former admiral was the WSS whim Mihawk defeated 6-8 years ago
 
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trav

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Your mistake is that you automatically assume Admirals are top tiers. This is not necessarily the case. Same goes for Yonko (Luffy).
Sengoku and Garp could have been a good chunk stronger than the 3rd and 4th strongest Marines.
At some point Kizaru, Aokiji and Akainu were also VC and we know that this rank has a freakishly large range of PL.
Odd that you would not expect a similar situation for the Admiral rank.

Akainu vs Aokiji has already proven that one Admiral was stronger than another. We just do not know by how much exactly.

Xebec = Roger = Garp = Sengoku more or less. They were the eras strongest.
Roger = Whitebeard = Garp ~ Sengoku. They were the next eras strongest.
There is always some overlap with generations.
Whitebeard used to be weaker than Roger and Xebec, but eventually he caught up and went all the way to the top.
 
TheLastBerserker

TheLastBerserker

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JoNdule said:
I wish Oda revealed the other 2 Admirals beside Sengoku

Cause it's stupid to think they only had Sengoku and Garp leading Navy as two strongest under Kong when Garp wasn't even admiral
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Like who were Admirals before Kizaru, Akainu and Kuzan became one?

Sengoku became FA around 18-14 years ago

Kizaru became an admiral about 8 years ago
Akainu became an admiral about 12- 10 years ago
Kuzan probably 6-8 years ago
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I think a former admiral was the WSS whim Mihawk defeated 6-8 years ago
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It's really not that crazy to believe that the 3 admiral system wasn't always around only as pirates got stronger were more admirals needed
 
Kung-Fu Dugong

Kung-Fu Dugong

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There were always 3 admirals in the first place? Maybe it's something that happened post-Roger's Era... as Roger himself indicates, there wasn't anyone else besides Sengoku and Garp who could face him in the marines.

Two other alternatives:
  1. The 2 other seats were vacant. As we know, Mihawk might've killed an admiral or two in the past, as it was revealed in SBS Vol. 108 that he held a grudge against the marines. We also know, for example, that during the timeskip two seats got vacant (Akainu's, due to his promotion, and Aokiji's, due to his resignation)... the marines didn't immediately fill the positions, they first considered promoting vice-admirals among their roster (Chaton and Momousagi) and, after noticing the lack of worthy candidates, they made a World Military Draft and conscripted both Fujitora and Ryokugyu. We don't know how long this took, but they surely didn't fill the positions immediately;
  2. The other admirals just weren't comparable to Garp and Sengoku. This might be tied with Mihawk's backstory too: if Z is canon, then he might've lost his arm in a fight against Mihawk. He didn't seem to be on the same level of Sengoku and Garp, considering his Film Z version as his canon strength (yeah, he was old already, but Garp's Hachinosu version leaves him in the shade).
 
Xione

Xione

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-> They held 1 spot for Garp for years if not decades, since they wanted him to eventually take the spot. But he was essentially given all the authority of the admiral rank anyway.

-> Then we have 1 spot, if there were indeed 3 admirals at the time, and not just two. It's reasonable to assume that the "3 admirals" started in the Great Pirate Era, instead of it always being that way. Though there's nothing exactly saying it hasn't always been the three admirals.

Just like for Pirates we know Roger/Whitebeard are always the ones mentioned.. but Ray, Shiki and such also stood at their level.

kurwa said:
No idea why you trying to include the bum Kong.
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Calling the greatest living marine a bum is some wild ass shit.
 
Xione

Xione

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kurwa said:
What did the bum accomplish? During his time, Sengoku and Garp were the ones leading marines

He's not a marine anymore
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Reign as the Fleet Admiral for at the very least 20+ years?

Uhh yea, admirals lead the era... they're the ones out there fighting, not the fleet admiral. Aramaki, Fujitora, Kizaru are the ones going out and fighting not Akainu. Hence, the three admirals were called the marine's greatest fighting force even post-TS, a statement that didn't include Akainu. Using that to dismiss him while Sengoku shows him utter respect is wild shit lmao.

Hmm, my statement specifically meant he's the greatest marine out of those who're living. Him getting promoted to a higher position of power than the Fleet Admiral isn't gonna change that.
 
kurwa

kurwa

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Xione said:
Reign as the Fleet Admiral for at the very least 20+ years?
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and bitchass accomplished nothing

Meanwhile Akainu in his first year as fleet Admiral already moved HQ to New World and is now basically controlling the New World.
Without Akainu, the Yonko would still be the ones in control of New World because of bitchass like Kong and Sengoku

Xione said:
Uhh yea, admirals lead the era... they're the ones out there fighting, not the fleet admiral
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Sorry, but Akainu is leading the marines not the Admirals
He's not bum Kong

Xione said:
Aramaki, Fujitora, Kizaru are the ones going out and fighting not Akainu. Hence, the three admirals were called the marine's greatest fighting force even post-TS
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They are called the strongest because as a group there's nobody stronger than them in marines nor WG
1 fleet admiral loses to 3 admiral
1 Imu loses to 3 admirals
5 gorosei lose to 3 admirals
9 Holy knights lose to 3 admirals

It's not a statement about being the ones fighting lol
Xione said:
Hmm, my statement specifically meant he's the greatest marine out of those who're living
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And he did nothing to cause such a statement
Might as well call Helmeppo greatest marine ever.
Xione said:
Him getting promoted to a higher position of power than the Fleet Admiral isn't gonna change that.
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Bitch left marines lol
He needs to hide more
 
Xione

Xione

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kurwa said:
and bitchass accomplished nothing

Meanwhile Akainu in his first year as fleet Admiral already moved HQ to New World and is now basically controlling the New World.
Without Akainu, the Yonko would still be the ones in control of New World because of bitchass like Kong and Sengoku


Sorry, but Akainu is leading the marines not the Admirals
He's not bum Kong


They are called the strongest because as a group there's nobody stronger than them in marines nor WG
1 fleet admiral loses to 3 admiral
1 Imu loses to 3 admirals
5 gorosei lose to 3 admirals
9 Holy knights lose to 3 admirals

It's not a statement about being the ones fighting lol

And he did nothing to cause such a statement
Might as well call Helmeppo greatest marine ever.

Bitch left marines lol
He needs to hide more
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1st. Ok cool, you're relying on no availability of information to run a low Iq agenda, got it. You know very well, we don't have full details on that era let alone what the Fleet Admiral was doing. Which you just like the low Iq Dragon haters define as "dId N0ThiNg BUruouu". The man held the position of Fleet Admiral for 20+ years, clearly he was doing something.

2nd. Now provide the panel where Akainu is the one who made the decision to move the Marine HQ to the New world. I'll wait. You can't because it doesn't exist, but you'll parrot headcanon to support your low Iq agenda.

3rd. /wooosh. Holy shit, mf can't understand the difference in literal leading the marines vs what Kong was referring to. Akainu is not the one going out on the seas dealing with threats, the admirals are. Sengoku wasn't the one going to deal with threats on the seas, Kuzan/Saka/Kizaru were. Kong wasn't the one going out to deal with threats on the seas... Sengoku and Garp were.

4th. It's literally a statement about the ones fighting... not w.e that weird headcanon shit you just made up with the 3 > 9 , 3 > 1, 3> 5... Fujitora, Kizaru, Greenbull are the greatest military assets of the Marines... as they are the strongest active force on the seas. FA is limited to Marine HQ & Mariejois, Commander in Chief is limited to Mariejois. And HK don't go deal with affairs of the lower realm unless it's something special...


Alright you're just yappin to hate, got it.
 
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