Roe vs Wade Overturned?

I shouldn't get involved in political discussions here when I'm only here to play mafia, but:

The question should simply be - is the fetus a life or not?

  • If it is a life, then killing it is effectively murder.
  • If it is not a life, then there is no moral issue with killing it.

The left and right actually disagree on whether or not a fetus is life - even if the discourse from either side usually gets absorbed by silly strawmen.
 
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Ballel

I shouldn't get involved in political discussions here when I'm only here to play mafia, but:

The question should simply be - is the fetus a life or not?

  • If it is a life, then killing it is effectively murder.
  • If it is not a life, then there is no moral issue with killing it.

The left and right actually disagree on whether or not a fetus is life - even if the discourse from either side usually gets absorbed by silly strawmen.
I think a fetus is a life.

Abortion should still not be banned.
 

Gol D. Roger

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I am not necessarily pro-life but I am against killing babies in general. Yeah, unborn babies are just as alive as the born ones. However, I think abortions should be allowed under some circumstances.
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Do you really want a kid in a home with a family that doesn't want them?
I think we should be thinking about all of that before signing up for pregnancy.

Yes, some people want that.
More unhappy children=mire frustrated citizens
Not everyone who got pregnant without planning is going to be a horrible parent. There is no logic in this. Regardless of the reasons, if you're heartless enough to make your own kid's life miserable, then you're inherently a bad person in the first place. You're gonna make their life miserable regardless of whether your pregnancy is planned or not.
 
I am not necessarily pro-life but I am against killing babies in general. Yeah, unborn babies are just as alive as the born ones. However, I think abortions should be allowed under some circumstances.
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I think we should be thinking about all of that before signing up for pregnancy.



Not everyone who got pregnant without planning is going to be a horrible parent. There is no logic in this. Regardless of the reasons, if you're heartless enough to make your own kid's life miserable, then you're inherently a bad person in the first place. You're gonna make their life miserable regardless of whether your pregnancy is planned or not.
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That's just what they want.
United we stand, divided we fall. And politics is currently THE thing that divides societies the most.
People really stopped talking to each other, when the political opponent supports something they are against it, just because

Humans would rather nuke and murder one another then work together to gain any sort of advantage.
it's the differences between others which separates others as instead of trying to understand the opposing side or trying to reach understanding, We consistently just try to eliminate them and stop all attempts at a productive dialogue though ether shaming of those few with dissenting opinions or literally imprisoning the opposition.






Life means nothing to you chum buckets.

You presumably live on american soil, The same soil which had native americans ether killed or enslaved. Why dont you care about that or the thousands of animal lifes which are lost as a result of deforestation? What about the homeless?
Why dont you donate to any of those causes if you care so much about life??




in 17 alone, there was 862,000 abortions. What we would do with that many kids?? the systems that we have in place just could not handle it. These kids would be orphans if they were born as they were't wanted to begin with so are you fine with having state funded orphanages for all the unwanted children that would of just been killed instead of being alone with nobody to care for them
https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2019...gain-state-abortion-restrictions-are-not-main
 
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Humans would rather nuke and murder one another then work together to gain any sort of advantage.
it's the differences between others which separates others as instead of trying to understand the opposing side or trying to reach understanding, We consistently just try to eliminate them and stop all attempts at a productive dialogue though ether shaming of those few with dissenting opinions or literally imprisoning the opposition.








You presumably live on american soil, The same soil which had native americans ether killed or enslaved. Why dont you care about that or the thousands of animal lifes which are lost as a result of deforestation? What about the homeless?
Why dont you donate to any of those causes if you care so much about life??




in 17 alone, there was 862,000 abortions. What we would do with that many kids?? the systems that we have in place just could not handle it. These kids would be orphans if they were born as they were't wanted to begin with so are you fine with having state funded orphanages for all the unwanted children that would of just been killed instead of being alone with nobody to care for them
https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2019...gain-state-abortion-restrictions-are-not-main
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And how many of the unwanted, orphaned, neglected children will grow up to gun down dozens of people and then kill themselves.
 
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And how many of the unwanted, orphaned, neglected children will grow up to gun down dozens of people and then kill themselves.
Nothing but whataboutism from you lot.
Nothing.

There isn't any excuse good enough besides the uterus killing the mother. Just self delusions and entitlement.
 

Gol D. Roger

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And how many of the unwanted, orphaned, neglected children will grow up to gun down dozens of people and then kill themselves.
I'd say these are completely different issues that require different solutions. They've nothing to do with the point of discussion. You don't kill kids because they're likely to become criminals or homeless in the future. That's as irrational as it can get. Once again, not every person who didn't plan on getting pregnant at the time of pregnancy is going to be a bad parent.
 
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Once again, not every person who didn't plan on getting pregnant at the time of pregnancy is going to be a bad parent.
This was never my point.
Fact is, this current legal decision as the power to criminalise women for miscarriages.
Women are already in prison because they were accused of aborting their baby.
 

Gol D. Roger

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This was never my point.
Fact is, this current legal decision as the power to criminalise women for miscarriages.
Women are already in prison because they were accused of aborting their baby.
That's what you were implying in the post that I've quoted. You did not say anything about this in that post. Yes, I agree criminalizing women for miscarriages is evil. That shouldn't happen. Losing the baby is already hard enough on them.
 
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What were you trying to imply with this?



I don't see "women shouldn't be jailed for miscarriages" in this post.
fleetwat
You have to see the whole picture.
This is not a 'are you pro or against abortion' thread, the topic here is this specific law.
The law is already being abused and when they outlaw abortions altogether it will be even easier to fill those private prisons with supposed 'abortionists'.
 

Gol D. Roger

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fleetwat
You have to see the whole picture.
This is not a 'are you pro or against abortion' thread, the topic here is this specific law.
The law is already being abused and when they outlaw abortions altogether it will be even easier to fill those private prisons with supposed 'abortionists'.
I know what the topic is about. We were talking about the quote of yours that I've quoted. Some people misuse laws, like a lot of women misuse laws that are meant to protect women; that doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws. Something needs to be done about the people who misuse the law to attack pregnant women who lost their children. And yeah, I am against making abortion completely illegal.
 
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