Controversial Rumble’s Revenge On Democracy: WorstGen ASOIAF 2v2 Fighting Tournament

[Elder Lee Hung]

@Elder Lee Hung The resistance of Dorne against Aegon the Conqueror and his sisters before, is an incredibly badass story. I'm going to completely quote someone who wrote this in another site, years ago:

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This is easily one of the most badass backstories of the entire series and it makes what the show is doing to Dorne and the Martells all the more annoying.

The ruling Martell princess, despite being like 80 years old, essentially told Rhaenys Targaryen to go fuck herself when Rhaenys strolled in demanding subservience. The Martells then practiced guerrilla warfare, hiding out in the deserts and launching hit-and-run attacks. An entire Tyrell army disappeared in the Dornish desert, Orys Baratheon got caught in a nasty choke point in the Boneway and lost a hand, and Aegon I was duped into fighting House Toland’s fool in a trial by combat after the Tolands had already fled the castle.

When the Martells abandoned Sunspear, Aegon left Lord Rosby in charge of it. The Targaryens were lulled into complacency and left the country. The Dornish then bucked up, rebelled and retook what the Targaryens had conquered. Men that Aegon I had left to hold abandoned Dornish castles were massacred, and Lord Rosby was defenestrated at Sunspear with extreme prejudice.

The Ullers of Hellholt succeeded in shooting Meraxes out of the sky and either killing Rhaenys with her or holding Rhaenys in their dungeon. Aegon burned through Dorne hoping to turn the Dornish against the Martells but it never happened. Eventually the Dornish prince’s daughter brought Meraxes’ skull to King’s Landing and gave Aegon a note. Whatever the note said freaked Aegon out and he ended up pulling his forces from Dorne. No one knows what was in the letter, but one theory is that the letter told Aegon that Rhaenys was still alive in the dungeon and that they’d put her out of her misery if Aegon backed off. Not even free her, the deal was essentially a mercy kill.

The Dornish stayed independent until Daeron I decided to try invading them. That ended up with Daeron getting killed and losing Aegon I’s crown. Baelor I succeeded Daeron and made peace with Dorne by betrothing his cousin Daeron (the future Daeron II) to Mariah Martell. This was what eventually led to Dorne joining the kingdom, but they were allowed concessions that other regions weren’t.

If other kingdoms had had the Martells’ unfathomably large balls (ovaries?), perhaps the Targaryens would have been held off.

YEp, Fire and Blood details how the Dornish bodied Aegon the Conqueror and his dragon riding sisters through Guerilla warfare. They also bodied Westerosi armies in this same manner. They killed Meraxes and Rhaenys in that same manner.

 

[God Buggy]

This is George's comment on the trial by combat.

Which is to say...I'd put weight to it, until a certain point. When it comes to the more well known Asoiaf, yeah it tells that Arthur Dayne is indeed the top 1 of that era. But almost everyone already places him there, lol.

But yeah I doubt he was picking from every fighter that ever was in his lore lmfao. He picked an extremely safe and at the same time very a well known choice amongst fans. That's why I said assign weight but not this much weight to that comment. It doesn't go that far lol.

I would say:
- Arthur is definitely the top 1 pick amongst the warriors of Aerys/Robert era.

- All time comparisons, yeah take your guess. Lol.

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[Bullet]

Didn't George also say he'd take Brienne?
Any of you feel safe if she represents you against the mountain?
Arthur is well established so he just used his name. Doesn't mean he can't think of or doesn't already have characters in mind that can beat him
Knowing George he has like 50 strong Warriors of different lands and eras he'd like to write about at some point.

 

[God Buggy]

BRUH. In the "Rise of the Dragon" book that came out in 2022, Sandoq's "100 victories" (From Fire and Blood of 2018) was retconned to a thousand fights. Lmfao.

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[NikaInParis]

BRUH. In the "Rise of the Dragon" book that came out in 2022, Sandoq's "100 victories" (From Fire and Blood of 2018) was retconned to a thousand fights. Lmfao.

@Elder Lee Hung @Bullet @TheKnightOfTheSea @NikaInParis

They were lowballing it

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

BRUH. In the "Rise of the Dragon" book that came out in 2022, Sandoq's "100 victories" (From Fire and Blood of 2018) was retconned to a thousand fights. Lmfao.

@Elder Lee Hung @Bullet @TheKnightOfTheSea @NikaInParis

@Rumble looks like Sandoq’s 100 victories was indeed not accurate


Nah I mean I think we all agree he definitely won a lot of pit fights for the most powerful man in Lys to personally employ the Shadow to protect his daughter who he made Princess of Westeros and in the line to become the Queen lmfao. There is no way the guy wasn’t heavily famous in Lys for winning in the pits.

 

[God Buggy]

@Rumble looks like Sandoq’s 100 victories was indeed not accurate


Nah I mean I think we all agree he definitely won a lot of pit fights for the most powerful man in Lys to personally employ the Shadow to protect his daughter who he made Princess of Westeros and in the line to become the Queen lmfao. There is no way the guy wasn’t heavily famous in Lys for winning in the pits.

100 or 1,000 really won't change the debate but this man cleary is a top, top warrior. "High Kingsguard tier"? Lol.

 

[Rumble]

@Rumble looks like Sandoq’s 100 victories was indeed not accurate


Nah I mean I think we all agree he definitely won a lot of pit fights for the most powerful man in Lys to personally employ the Shadow to protect his daughter who he made Princess of Westeros and in the line to become the Queen lmfao. There is no way the guy wasn’t heavily famous in Lys for winning in the pits.

Fuck all of you

 

[God Buggy]

I randomly came across this video, I looked a bit in the comment and went at the minute where House Dayne is mentioned (1:10:52). Martin says that Dawn is even more potent than a Valyrian steel sword...

I always had Valyrian and Dawn of equal caliber...until now. Damn, lol.

Unless he meant "more potent" for something else other than "human fighting". But I doubt it, in this context.

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[Rumble]

I randomly came across this video, I looked a bit in the commenti and went at the minute where House Dayne is mentioned (1:10:52). Martin says that Dawn is even more potent than a Valyrian steel sword...

I always had Valyrian and Dawn of equal caliber...until now. Damn, lol.

@Cichy @Elder Lee Hung @TheKnightOfTheSea @Rumble @RayanOO @Bullet @NikaInParis etc.

George's favourite Houses

• Dayne
• Blackwood
• Stark
• Lannister

In that order I would say.

Dawn is the original Lightbringer.

It took many tries to forge because it was made with meteorite.

Azor Ahai was a Dayne ancestor from the Great Empire of the Dawn, which is why they have Valyrian features. He is not the same person as the Last Hero, who I believe came in a latter age and was a Stark ancestor.

The Long Night has come and gone at least once, this much is a matter of canon.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I randomly came across this video, I looked a bit in the comment and went at the minute where House Dayne is mentioned (1:10:52). Martin says that Dawn is even more potent than a Valyrian steel sword...

I always had Valyrian and Dawn of equal caliber...until now. Damn, lol.

Unless he meant "more potent" for something else other than "human fighting". But I doubt it, in this context.

@Cichy @Elder Lee Hung @TheKnightOfTheSea @Rumble @RayanOO @Bullet @NikaInParis etc.

It means nothing lmfao. I don’t expect it would matter in 99% of fights.

 

[Rumble]

It means nothing lmfao. I don’t expect it would matter in 99% of fights.

It definitely means something.

Valyrian steel is supposed to be without equal.

The only weapon that is the exception to that rule is Dawn, which George describes as "more potent" - that is 100% noteworthy.

 

[NikaInParis]

I randomly came across this video, I looked a bit in the comment and went at the minute where House Dayne is mentioned (1:10:52). Martin says that Dawn is even more potent than a Valyrian steel sword...

I always had Valyrian and Dawn of equal caliber...until now. Damn, lol.

Unless he meant "more potent" for something else other than "human fighting". But I doubt it, in this context.

@Cichy @Elder Lee Hung @TheKnightOfTheSea @Rumble @RayanOO @Bullet @NikaInParis etc.

A sword is only as good as the hand wielding it. Valyrian steel in Boros Blount's hand is useless vs regular steel in the Hound's

 

[God Buggy]

A sword is only as good as the hand wielding it. Valyrian steel in Boros Blount's hand is useless vs regular steel in the Hound's

Using Valyrian steel Boros slaughters the Hound and Arthur with his left hand while pissing with his right.

 

[Rumble]

A sword is only as good as the hand wielding it. Valyrian steel in Boros Blount's hand is useless vs regular steel in the Hound's

That's not entirely true.

Valyrian steel weapons will remain exceptionally sharp, light and durable regardless of who wields it. They're as much treasures as they are weapons.

 

[ConquistadoR]

A sword is only as good as the hand wielding it. Valyrian steel in Boros Blount's hand is useless vs regular steel in the Hound's

And at the same time, between two Legendary fighters like Dayne & Selmy, not using a Valyrian steel blade or a blade like Dawn is a notable disadvantage.

 

[ElderOnitar]

It means nothing lmfao. I don’t expect it would matter in 99% of fights.

It's a bit important in close matchups. The one reason Dayne would have an edge over Barristan in a fight is due to Dawn being superior to any weapon Barristan has.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

It definitely means something.

Valyrian steel is supposed to be without equal.

The only weapon that is the exception to that rule is Dawn, which George describes as "more potent" - that is 100% noteworthy.

It's a bit important in close matchups. The one reason Dayne would have an edge over Barristan in a fight is due to Dawn being superior to any weapon Barristan has.

At best, it means Dawn might cut through some armor that Valyrian Steel can’t cut through, if that even exists lol. But I don’t expect Dawn would give Dayne the edge against any equally matched Valyrian Steel weilder. Like I said, there’s like maybe 1/100 fights I’d say Dawn being superior to Valyrian Steel would actually matter in.

 

[Rumble]

At best, it means Dawn might cut through some armor that Valyrian Steel can’t cut through, if that even exists lol. But I don’t expect Dawn would give Dayne the edge against any equally matched Valyrian Steel weilder. Like I said, there’s like maybe 1/100 fights I’d say Dawn being superior to Valyrian Steel would actually matter in.

Valyrian steel has magical properties.

For all we know Dawn has even stronger and more consequential magical properties. Again, Dawn is the sole exception to the rule of Valyrian steel supremacy.

House Dayne are of First Men ancestery, yet have Valyrian features. They are again the only exception that does, despite having no known ties to the Valyrian Freehold.

George keeps a lot of shit about House Dayne close to the the chest for a reason.

 

[God Buggy]

To be clear, this still doesn't guarantee anything about Arthur and who would beat him/would not. Ulrick Dayne was Sword of the Morning, wielding Dawn, and one of the very finest warriors of his age but Daemon Blackfyre was still considered superior. Jaime Lannister has used nothing but normal swords in his life and he still believed he could beat Arthur etc.

It is now probably another added point in Arthur's portrayal. But the question of the best warrior remains a big hypothetical, lol.