Controversial Rumble’s Revenge On Democracy: WorstGen ASOIAF 2v2 Fighting Tournament

Where is Varys’s Manhood?


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Jaime carries.

In terms of ability, Drogo was probably top 10; he was, after all, the strongest Khal. However, most of his contemporaries in the top 10 wore full body armor, putting him at a big disadvantage. He would have to move faster and carefully target areas like joints against an armored opponent. Drogo uses an Arakh, which is great for speed and maneuverability, but not effective against armor. One mistake against an armored opponent, and it would be game over.

If his opponent were also unarmored, he’d have the advantage. I’m only saying that because he was never defeated in battle. Nobody in Essos could tangle with him in a one-on-one fight. Most people in Westeros fought with armor, so they wouldn’t be as accustomed to the freedom of movement Drogo had.

Tywin was probably average or slightly above average as a fighter. He wasn’t as good as Jaime or Tygett, but as the heir to Casterly Rock and someone from a martial family, he would have had the best training available. He was always described as a powerfully built man, even in his older age. He’d be comparable to someone like Ned, who was described as an average or above-average fighter and a better battlefield commander than individual duelist.

Actions speak louder than words. How many times have we actually seen Daario fight or heard from others how good he is? In the books, we haven’t. In the show, we saw him throw a knife at a horse. Jaime, on the other hand, has won tournaments, fought in wars, served in a brotherhood of extraordinarily talented warriors, and commands immense respect. Everyone of note in Westeros has seen him fight and considers him one of the greatest fighters alive.

Daario, by contrast, hasn’t shown us much beyond boasting about his skill. Jaime’s resume and the respect he commands speak for themselves.
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
This is a tough one
Not much is known about Tywin, the fact that we don’t know much means he never was an exceptional fighter, but it’s Tywin Lannister at the end of the day
I don’t think Tywin would do any good fighting Drogo though, he’d crush him fairly quickly
Daario is more Tywin’s match, a sellsword with trickery up his sleeve

Drogo is a beast and can potentislly topple even some of the finest knights Westeros has to offer, but this is Jaime, Drogo would be clueless fighting him. I do think Jaime finishes him off before Daario kills Tywin
I will say about Tywin, he was probably a very solid fighter when he was young.

First of all, even old Tywin is quite large at 6’3.

Then there’s the fact that Tywin fathered Jaime and was actually a legitimate Knight in his youth.

Tywin was said to have earned glory for himself in the War of the Ninepenny Kings, though this doesn’t necessarily mean he did it by personally fighting, although I think the implication is absolutely that Tywin fought alongside the men he commanded.

I think young Tywin was probably better than young Ned, IE good enough to be competent against anyone, but probably maybe not necessarily a top tier fighter. Then again, Tywin has always been deathly seriously about his duties and advancing his own house, even when he was a child. I imagine he was probably a very serious knight when he was young and took that duty seriously.

I definitely don’t think he took fighting as seriously as Jaime but I think young Tywin could probably scrap with just about anyone.

As for this matchup, there’s always going to be the issue of Drogo and Daario fighting legitimate armored opponents, which is always going to be just questionable as to how they would handle themselves against plate armored knights. Tyrion described old Tywin’s armor in detail in book 1 and Tywin’s armor was some truly spectacular shit lol so I imagine young Tywin was wearing some peak armor.

Tough matchup to me. I think Drogo honestly probably rivals Jaime or even Arthur as a fighter, it’s just unclear how the lack of armor would really play out in most cases.
 
Round 1

Loras recognises Garlan is the better sword. This humility combined with his supposed superiority with lances (which I believe) and I think the Tyrell brothers could work together to take one down at a time.

The problem is the Clegane brothers might hate each other but that doesn’t mean they’ll do nothing while the other is attacked - not out of caring but selfishness. Sandor wants to kill Gregor, and Gregor just wants to kill.

Only viable paths I see are
  • Rush Sandor 2v1 and kill him quickly
  • Garlan 1v1s and wins against Sandor while Loras plays keep away with Gregor
  • They go for the legs early on one of the brothers and hamstring their ability to come to each other’s aid
Round 2

Khal and Daario slaughter. I don’t believe Tywin was ever noteworthy with a sword or any weapon beside his cunning.


My firstborn child after @Rumble decided to curse it for voting Sandoq to the top in the last tourney (no regrets).
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This one, I'm going to give it to Khal Drogo and Daario.

There is the potential problem of the lack of armor (at least it was a dealbreaker for one Dothraki who Jorah slew) but regardless, Drogo was one of the most prodigious Dothraki to have lived, a giant man who had never lost a duel in his life. Prime armored Jaime nonetheless beats him but I think Daario makes a shorter work out of Tywin. Daario is a skilled fighter, when it comes to Tywin he obviously had the training every noble of his status would have had, but his prowess with weapons were never highlighted (Tygett was the great warrior of that gen from Genna's words who compared Jaime to him).

Voting for Dani's DM's to advance to the next round.
 
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Tywin did want to restore Housen Lannister's reputation and standing, but that had to do with his father's perceived weakness and permissive behavior towards towards the vassals of his house. He was extremely concerned on a political level and grew up to be a totally different man from his father, someone who "restored" House Lannister by being overly brutal and giving a warning to any vassal who would try something again against the Lannisters.

I don't doubt that he would have taken his training as a warrior seriously, however that goes for the large majority of nobles in the seven kingdoms. He was always someone who looked at the bigger picture, it seems to me that he never gave much of a crap about being better than someone else as an individual warrior. He focused where it actually mattered (the type of Lord he wanted to be and the direction he wanted to give to House Lannister going forward). This is not to say he doesn't appreciate great warriors in general because he can, starting with his son Jaime, and Barristan as well.

Prime for prime, I'd favor Ned over Tywin in a fight.
 
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RayanOO

Lazy is the way
I have a hard time putting Tywin over Daario on skills with a blade the plate armor can obviously help the lion but Daario even if he doesn’t have many feats he still have some solid warrior portrayal, far above anything Tywin had/shown

No doubt young Tywin could fight as he likely seriously trained in combat but nothing noteworthy at all

Both are cunning but I bet on the sellswords to fight even more dirtier than the lord. Daario will kill him.

But I have Jaime above Drogo

Armor + sword is a deadly combo for him against the Khal

But I bet Khal would still be impressive enough

I want to give it to Danys Lovers
 
Is it a theme for some users to downplay the cleganes, especially the mountain, due to his extreme size, going through mental gymnastics to put above average skill over his inhuman strength, lol
Not everyone is Jaime Lannister, or the skilled poison spear red viper. On most days you are getting fucked by the mountain unless you’re someone really really special, and the Loras cunts sure as shit don’t make the cut lmao
And then you have the hound who has both speed and monstrous strength at his side
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
@Elder Lee Hung You're picking Tywin/Jaime? (If that's the case it would be 4-3 in their favor).
Damn I’m the decider huh? Lol

Nah, I think I’m voting for Drogo and Dario. I tend to find Drogo stupidly underrated, I honestly would put him in a tier comparable to Sandoq himself given Drogo’s sheer level of hype. Drogo tends to get outright dismissed these types of convos which is highly disingenuous and a disservice imo.
 
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Damn I’m the decider huh? Lol

Nah, I think I’m boring for Drogo and Dario. I tend to find Drogo stupidly underrated, I honestly would put him in a tier comparable to Sandoq himself given Drogo’s sheer level of hype. Drogo tends to get outright dismissed these types of convos which is highly disingenuous and a disservice imo.
It would be interesting to see these knights taking on Drogo with light/no armor.
Lol
 
Lannisters win.
Drogo should honestly be a high kingsguard level fighter and on par if not superior to Jaime but i just don't know how much the lack of armor is gonna nerf him. Considering George's insistence on armor being a huge advantage like real life, i would bet on Jaime to dismantle Drogo because of it while Tywin himself should also be a capable fighter and be able to protect himself until Jaime is done.
 
"Your friend is dead, and Meryn Trant is not, because Trant had armor, and a big fucking sword" - wise man
No chance for Drogo against the most talented swordsman in history as Selmy put it, the fact that Drogo lacks armor means it's a quick death. Now on horseback things would be different.
Dario shouldn't be able to kill Tywin before Jaime finishes off Drogo, if he could anyway

This is not manga where 2 strong fighters like Jaime and Drogo would ext diff each other and have an hour long duel
No armor for Drogo, and fighting possibly the most talented swordsman in Westeros history, yeah good luck
 
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