Controversial Rumble’s Revenge On Democracy: WorstGen ASOIAF 2v2 Fighting Tournament
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"With ax or lance or flail, he was as good as any knight I ever saw, but with the sword he was the Warrior himself. When Prince Daemon had Blackfyre in hand, there was not a man equal him ... not Ulrick Dayne with Dawn, no, nor even the Dragonknight with Dark Sister."
— Eustace Osgrey, to Duncan the Tall
— Eustace Osgrey, to Duncan the Tall
And Daemon is only the warrior himself with Blackfyre his special sword
Full package Arthur is > a guy who is legendary and killed Melys 1 vs 1
Arthur wasn’t born yet, all swords of the morning weren’t equal
and direct word of the author >> someone opinion inside the book
Full package Arthur is > a guy who is legendary and killed Melys 1 vs 1
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"With ax or lance or flail, he was as good as any knight I ever saw, but with the sword he was the Warrior himself. When Prince Daemon had Blackfyre in hand, there was not a man equal him ... not Ulrick Dayne with Dawn, no, nor even the Dragonknight with Dark Sister."
— Eustace Osgrey, to Duncan the Tall
— Eustace Osgrey, to Duncan the Tall
and direct word of the author >> someone opinion inside the book
Good for him
Arthur is quoted being stronger than Barristan himself with Dawn
I don’t think any of those lads are stronger than Barristan fucking Selmy (Aemon as a claim I admit to be in the same area of power compared to selmy)
He isn’t a random bum but still only a character and below the words of the author himself
and the guy was a Daemon glazer
Arthur is quoted being stronger than Barristan himself with Dawn
I don’t think any of those lads are stronger than Barristan fucking Selmy (Aemon as a claim I admit to be in the same area of power compared to selmy)
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He isn’t a random bum but still only a character and below the words of the author himself
and the guy was a Daemon glazer
Gwayne wasn’t a Lord Commander iirc but still an excellent Kingsguard.
Not with the LAD Daemon helping him. Lol
Like I said, if the White Bull and Arthur can’t take out Ned, you can be sure Daemon and Mayles will claim victory against Arthur and Barristan. lol
Author words which you have taken so far out of context that they have become meaningless. Lol
1. George made that quote before Daemon was written
2. Martin never said Arthur > everyone, he was speaking in reference to the main series books and the modern era. Daemon Blackfyre died sth like 50-100 years ago.
3. Martin wasn’t even the primary author who wrote Daemon as the World of Westeros was written by other authors and supervised by Martin. So there is no evidence Daemon even conceptually existed in Martin’s brain when he made that comment
4. And again I must stress, Martin never said Arthur > everyone. He said Arthur was the best of the main series books when you are reading that quote in context.
Not with the LAD Daemon helping him. Lol
Like I said, if the White Bull and Arthur can’t take out Ned, you can be sure Daemon and Mayles will claim victory against Arthur and Barristan. lol
Author words which you have taken so far out of context that they have become meaningless. Lol
1. George made that quote before Daemon was written
2. Martin never said Arthur > everyone, he was speaking in reference to the main series books and the modern era. Daemon Blackfyre died sth like 50-100 years ago.
3. Martin wasn’t even the primary author who wrote Daemon as the World of Westeros was written by other authors and supervised by Martin. So there is no evidence Daemon even conceptually existed in Martin’s brain when he made that comment
4. And again I must stress, Martin never said Arthur > everyone. He said Arthur was the best of the main series books when you are reading that quote in context.
That is still better than anyone else past or present
GRRM is still the main author and the creator of the whole universe
His words have far more weight than a quote from a character in a secondary book
GRRM created the « perfect » knight in his mind and it’s Arthur
Because Arthur will pick flowers ?
There is no wincon for them lol
Arthur >= Daemon
Arthur > Meyls
Barristan > Meyles
Daemon ~ Barristan or at worst >=
And team wise Arthur and Barristan were team mates and used to fight side by side a lot
Far better team play
GRRM is still the main author and the creator of the whole universe
His words have far more weight than a quote from a character in a secondary book
GRRM created the « perfect » knight in his mind and it’s Arthur
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Because Arthur will pick flowers ?
There is no wincon for them lol
Arthur >= Daemon
Arthur > Meyls
Barristan > Meyles
Daemon ~ Barristan or at worst >=
And team wise Arthur and Barristan were team mates and used to fight side by side a lot
Far better team play
It’s no different than any other Knight considered the best of their day. The principals of individual martial prowess hasn’t changed much in 300 years of Westeros…lol
Why not look at the other quotes Martin has as well? Martin has also said that comparing fighters is pointless because there is no character who is objectively the strongest or best fighter of all time. Arthur is just the Ryam Redwyne of his era, or the Aemon the Dragon Knight of his era. He is the best of his era. And there’s no evidence the modern era fighters are better than the previous era of fighters. “Technology” and the Maesters’ knowledge in Westeros has basically not advanced in 300 years lol.
Cool. When Martin and Eustass actually contradict each other, we’ll go with Martin. At the moment Martin and Eustass are not contradicting each other. lol
Why not look at the other quotes Martin has as well? Martin has also said that comparing fighters is pointless because there is no character who is objectively the strongest or best fighter of all time. Arthur is just the Ryam Redwyne of his era, or the Aemon the Dragon Knight of his era. He is the best of his era. And there’s no evidence the modern era fighters are better than the previous era of fighters. “Technology” and the Maesters’ knowledge in Westeros has basically not advanced in 300 years lol.
Cool. When Martin and Eustass actually contradict each other, we’ll go with Martin. At the moment Martin and Eustass are not contradicting each other. lol
Alright gentlemen, it’s time for winners round 1! And let me just say, this round will start off with a bang.
Winners, Round 1
The Blackfyre Behemoths
Daemon Blackfyre, “The Black Dragon”
Maelys Blackfyre, “Maelys the Monstrous”
VERSUS
CLEGANEBOWL
Gregor Clegane, “The Mountain”
Sandor Clegane, “The Hound”
WHO WINS AND WHY????
@God Buggy @Cruxroux @NikaInParis @SakazOuki @RayanOO @TheAncientCenturion @TheKnightOfTheSea @Rumble @Bullet @KingOnizam @Alexis2282AE @Daniel @Dragon777
Winners, Round 1
The Blackfyre Behemoths
Daemon Blackfyre, “The Black Dragon”
Maelys Blackfyre, “Maelys the Monstrous”
VERSUS
CLEGANEBOWL
Gregor Clegane, “The Mountain”
Sandor Clegane, “The Hound”
WHO WINS AND WHY????
@God Buggy @Cruxroux @NikaInParis @SakazOuki @RayanOO @TheAncientCenturion @TheKnightOfTheSea @Rumble @Bullet @KingOnizam @Alexis2282AE @Daniel @Dragon777
Daemon Blackfyre is the best warrior here, a prodigious swordsman carrying Blackfyre itself. As for Meleys, he essentially was a terror with inhuman strenght. He was slain by Barristan but it's not like being defeated by him brings any shame lol.
As for the Cleganes, both rank amongst the best in Westeros in Asoiaf. Sandor is a great mix of strenght, ferocity and skill. Gregor is a freaking giant who uses a greatsword with one hand, a shield in the other, wears the thickest armor. Jaime considers both brothers as extremely fearsome.
I don't know. Daemon Blackfyre would defeat either but I'm not sure if any of the two would lose to Maelys. I think both Sandor and Gregor might have his number more often than not.
I mean, it should many times put someone in the "decent or good fighter" category at least because Baratheons are nobles who receive ample training. However that goes for any member of any noble House in Westeros lol.
But that aside, not everyone is Bobby B lol. You also have your Ned Stark/Tywin Lannister tierish warriors or even weaker than that. You find everything.
"A Baratheon" doesn't tell me much.
But that aside, not everyone is Bobby B lol. You also have your Ned Stark/Tywin Lannister tierish warriors or even weaker than that. You find everything.
"A Baratheon" doesn't tell me much.
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