General & Others Sanji and Jinbei vs. Lucci and Cracker

[SkySanji]

Where does the fight take place

 

[DonWick]

Eh Luccis AP ain’t that good. It genuinely was pretty unimpressive with even Sentomaru being able to block part of his awakened handgun, despite Sentomaru getting one shot by one of Kizarus casual beams.

But honestly finding Cracker won’t be much an issue for Sanji since finding hidden opponents is one thing he did very well against Queen

Queen pretty much gave his position away against Sanji

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Eh Luccis AP ain’t that good. It genuinely was pretty unimpressive with even Sentomaru being able to block part of his awakened handgun, despite Sentomaru getting one shot by one of Kizarus casual beams.

But honestly finding Cracker won’t be much an issue for Sanji since finding hidden opponents is one thing he did very well against Queen

I always interpreted it as him trying to stab Sentomaru, Sentomaru blocking it, then Lucci ducked and went for his stomach instead.

 

[DonWick]

Where does the fight take place

On an island. There is water around it but the combatants aren’t anywhere near it.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Queen pretty much gave his position away against Sanji

He didn’t, if queens movement gave him away there never would’ve been a question of did Sanji kick osome cause one of the 8 people there would’ve heard him then.

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I always interpreted it as him trying to stab Sentomaru, Sentomaru blocking it, then Lucci ducked and went for his stomach instead.

Problem with that is we see Lucci hit the block

 

[LolonoisZolo]

So you both are going to ignore the fact that Nami was able to weaken Cracker but somehow Jimbei cannot and would struggle ? @DonWick @Sir Yasheen

 

[SkySanji]

On an island. There is water around it but the combatants aren’t anywhere near it.

Then Jinbe beats Cracker and helps Sanji defeat Lucci.

 

[Guymieux]

Sanji can blitz cracker the second he gets serious. Luck can probably do the same to jinbe

Cracker more than likely one shot in that exchange. Jinbei depending on the attack might take significant damage. But ain’t seen enough to say he gets one shot.

IJ sanji>Lucci both are somewhere in the below Y1C territory. Sanji feats are better imo tho

How are Sanji feats better?

 

[Sir Yasheen]

So you both are going to ignore the fact that Nami was able to weaken Cracker but somehow Jimbei cannot and would struggle ? @DonWick @Sir Yasheen

Literally didn’t mention Jinbe fighting cracker?

 

[LolonoisZolo]

Literally didn’t mention Jinbe fighting cracker?

That's the point, you gave both of them the harder match up for no reason when you have the perfect counter to Cracker in Jimbei.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

That's the point, you gave both of them the harder match up for no reason when you have the perfect counter to Cracker in Jimbei.

The thing is Jinbe still needs a water source and can’t just create it. Not to mention cracker soldiers are immune to Fishman karate since there is no water in them except for cracker itself.

 

[Vanlax]

What I think would happen:

Zoro vs Lucci was hard diff, but only because of Stall Piece.
Without Stall Piece, Lucci would get easy-mid diffed by Zoro, and arguably even negged.

Sanji is definitely winning vs Lucci hard-low extreme diff.
Jimbe can stall Cracker enough until Sanji wins, if Jimbe can't actually win.
Fight becomes 2v1.

Sanji and Jimbe wins.


What would actually happen:

1. Fake-Tension Piece, then Jimbe and Sanji wins with named attacks.

or

2. Stall Piece, then Jimbe and Sanji wins with named attacks.

 

[Albino 👑]

Sanji can beat Lucci but Jinbe can’t beat cracker

Cracker beats Jinbe first and jumps Sanji. Despite being stronger than Lucci they’re still decently close and due to being an awakened zoan he’s going to be a pain in the ass the keep down

 

[Kung-Fu Dugong]

Jinbe is a bad matchup for Cracker, unless he doesn't have any access to water. Jinbe wins mid-to-hard diff (can go to extreme diff with no water, I think, but I feel that Jinbe already has what it takes to break Cracker's defenses).

Sanji vs. Rob Lucci is an interesting matchup, but I think that Sanji would beat Lucci, considering that Zoro didn't need to push too far to beat him. Lucci also didn't show anything that could surprise Sanji (ACoC, Future Sight, a racial ability like King's, etc.). Sanji wins hard diff.

 

[barai]

Cracker might be one/two shot by Jinbei. Lucci gets crushed by Sanji + Jinbei.

 

[LolonoisZolo]

The thing is Jinbe still needs a water source and can’t just create it. Not to mention cracker soldiers are immune to Fishman karate since there is no water in them except for cracker itself.

Hmmmm isn't Fishmen Karate some kind of bending/manipulating particles of water in the air and then shoot very hard, and the more water available, the stronger it gets.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Hmmmm isn't Fishmen Karate some kind of bending/manipulating particles of water in the air and then shoot very hard, and the more water available, the stronger it gets.

It’s creating vibrations and in doing so affecting the water within people. It doesn’t create the water.

 

[MonsterKaido]

Sanji > Lucci > Cracker > Jimbei on land.

Lucci is closer to sanji imo. Team Lucci wins this.

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If water is nearby , team sanji wins then

 

[Blazing Lion]

Sanji could probably beat Lucci with IJ. If Zoro's mid-end Santoryu move had him looking like a fucking zombie then Sanji could do him in with some good direct IJ blows
Cracker loses to Jinbe. He did pierce G4 but Tankman proved too tough for him and Jinbe has considerably better Armament than that Luffy anyway. Plus as a whale shark Fishman his skin is naturally tougher than Luffy's. Cracker couldn't break his defense at all. Not to mention Jinbe can control water, and as we saw that's a very bad weakness for Cracker.

When did you start scaling like a Sanji fan? Because Zoro can do this so can Sanji?

 

[DonWick]

So you both are going to ignore the fact that Nami was able to weaken Cracker but somehow Jimbei cannot and would struggle ? @DonWick @Sir Yasheen

There is a reason Big Mom considered Cracker > Jinbei. Also I’m sure Jinbe could break the biscuit soldiers but that doesn’t stop him from getting overwhelmed.