Character Discussion Sanji is weak willed compared to Zoro and Luffy

[Chrono]

i didn't say he didn't. judje's order was for sanji and niji to stop fighting, not for niji to not hit cossette.

I'm not talking about that tho am I. I'm talking about how Sanji not being able to hit women isnt a modification from Judge.

 

[draganax]

I'm not talking about that tho am I. I'm talking about how Sanji not being able to hit women isnt a modification from Judge.

oh. my bad. i didn't mean judje's modifications. i was referring to his mother's interference with the process. it's probably why he is super kind compared to his siblings.

 

[Finalbeta]

But the point is not hurting a woman. :cheers:
BM wont get hurt.

The funny thing is that if Sanji tried to hurt Big Mom not much would change overall.

Even Kaido is hard as hell to hurt, let alone Big Mom.

 

[NotTommy]

in the sbs oda stated that sanji doesn't have a "policy" of not kicking women; the truth is that he actually CAN'T kick them.
does that mean he was genetically modified not to kick women? just like how his brothers can't disobey judge's commands.

I interpret it as a mental barrier he has due to the values instilled into him by Zeff but I understand the genetics point of view.
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zoro was ready to throw away his dream and pride for the sake of his friends.
luffy didn't want to become a pirate king if sanji didn't come back to the crew.
sanji is just a selfish prick.
when we finaly got him kicking big mom to save his sister, oda came and destroyed that idea by saying sanji didn't hit big mom he just countered her attack with another attack. it's just bullshit.

I'm not trying to get involved in fan wars so I won't talk about Zoro and Luffy but didn't Sanji plan on risking his life for Zoro and Luffy against Kuma, when he told them to find a new chef? He put their dreams ahead of his and showed that he's willing to put his ambition and life on the line for his crew. Not trying to start some arguement or anything.
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I mean when is all blue even mentioned in the manga by him in grand line or him ever trying to think about it? I I remember only that scene.

I mean, he doesn't have to proclaim that he'll find it every other chapter to show it matters. There's no hint on where it could be so why would he randomly leave the crew to search some islands. He travels with the Straw Hats to find it and it might not even exist. It's not like the World's Strongest Swordsman title that you can work to (though I'm not trying to under exaggerate the effort needed to obtain, just saying it requires simply becoming better and there's a set finishing line, All Blue's different). All Blue might not even exist but Sanji still plans on finding it. Atleast Luffy has hints from Rayleigh and other Pirates on his journey that he'll find something the farther he goes. Sanji doesn't have anything. Oda doesn't have to show us Sanji randomly going, "I hope I find the All Blue." Not trying to start anything, just saying.

 

[ZoroSlaysDragonTuna]

I interpret it as a mental barrier he has due to the values instilled into him by Zeff but I understand the genetics point of view.
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I'm not trying to get involved in fan wars so I won't talk about Zoro and Luffy but didn't Sanji plan on risking his life for Zoro and Luffy against Kuma, when he told them to find a new chef? He put their dreams ahead of his and showed that he's willing to put his ambition and life on the line for his crew. Not trying to start some arguement or anything.
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I mean, he doesn't have to proclaim that he'll find it every other chapter to show it matters. There's no hint on where it could be so why would he randomly leave the crew to search some islands. He travels with the Straw Hats to find it and it might not even exist. It's not like the World's Strongest Swordsman title that you can work to (though I'm not trying to under exaggerate the effort needed to obtain, just saying it requires simply becoming better and there's a set finishing line, All Blue's different). All Blue might not even exist but Sanji still plans on finding it. Atleast Luffy has hints from Rayleigh and other Pirates on his journey that he'll find something the farther he goes. Sanji doesn't have anything. Oda doesn't have to show us Sanji randomly going, "I hope I find the All Blue." Not trying to start anything, just saying.

Sanji already found his all blue in fishmen island thats why it looks like hes not looking

 

[Excelsion]

Sanji lives in cactusbois' heads rent free.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

what do you think? @Orojackson Refugee @gz89 @GUI

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Sanji is built to have/posses the trait of character duality in his writing. For example :

- His dream is water related, yet his ability is fire related.
- His plotline is someone who save people, yet he also need to be saved.
- His status is a royalty, yet he also proclaim to be a slave.
- He acts as a gentleman, yet also a pervert.
- His persona is emotional, yet he's angry all the time.
Etc.

So for most aspects of his character, he will possess both/opposite ends of it.

Thus, because he has strong willed moments, he will be written/must have weak willed moments too.

 

[Peroroncino]

@ZoroSlaysDragonTuna was the goat

 

[Charlie]

Same shet again?

Zoro sacrificing his life for SHP / putting them ahead of his dream: peak Zoro moment

Sanji sacrificing his life for SHP / putting them ahead of his dream: omfg, another L for Lanji

 

[Thunderbolt]

Sanji lives in cactusbois' heads rent free.

Just like Zoro in the delusional heads of Cook fans… Zoro is stronger get over it

 

[mrtsrdr]

its normal . Sanji is developing character during manga but luffy and zoro characters have already set up at the begining of manga . in addition ,
Sanjis growing path is not same as luffy and zoro .
sanjis dream is not as same as and zoro
How to become king of pirates and wsss is very obvious. Sanjis dream is just a myth. Nobody see it. Its totally different situation.
Sanji has weaker will compared to luffy and zoro. However , when he is needed , his will hit as much as luffy and zoro . So , saying too weak is just a unfair .

 

[Thunderbolt]

Ironically he probably has a stronger Will of D. than Luffy.

his simp ways will truly never change and he’s willing to just let a bitch beat him to death
:risitasad:
His will is equal to theirs

 

[Robin swan]

I wouldn't say someone willing to die for their and others dreams in op is weak willed. Zoro and Luffy just have more will power not that sanji is weak willed.

 

[Hueconite]

Sanji lives in cactusbois' heads rent free.