General & Others Sanji or Big Mom?
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Sanji no question.
Oda seriously seems to hate the character now.
- send to momoiro
- tricked into wearing dress (ACTUALLY LIKES IT)
- became crying mess
- got fodderized several times
- has to wear suit of shame
- stale joke
- lost 80% of his brain function
- off panel his 1 (not even confirmed) win in what? 10y?
BM. for all the shit shes been getting...
remains a yonko, remains unharmed, remains Kaidos equal.
BM stomps.
Oda seriously seems to hate the character now.
- send to momoiro
- tricked into wearing dress (ACTUALLY LIKES IT)
- became crying mess
- got fodderized several times
- has to wear suit of shame
- stale joke
- lost 80% of his brain function
- off panel his 1 (not even confirmed) win in what? 10y?
BM. for all the shit shes been getting...
remains a yonko, remains unharmed, remains Kaidos equal.
BM stomps.
Sounds more like troll behavior from what your saying and you do know other characters have hard and comical times on their own islands.
Also again character crying makes them human, do you all read the story expect characters no emotion onto any situation? We not trying to do EMO Sasuke here in this series -.-.
I only remember Sanji having better fights and losing one while Zoro got beat down a lot in timeskip by serious opponents more especially in current arc in his last 4 fights that left him hurt and fainted which one of them was cause of a fox he couldn't beat
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RS isn't anything to be shame off as it's more of disguise than power boost. Plus he isn't helpless without it like Zoro is without his swords in a fight. He can fight fine as shown with Drake, your not helping your case there man.
What stale joke and stop with troll comment on brain as your only one with losing 80% of his brain with how your posting.
Off-Panelled didn't mean it never happen or he didn't do it as shown with off-paneling we see on many characters like BB, Sabo, etc., so got to get off of that as it's prove already about that.
Also again character crying makes them human, do you all read the story expect characters no emotion onto any situation? We not trying to do EMO Sasuke here in this series -.-.
I only remember Sanji having better fights and losing one while Zoro got beat down a lot in timeskip by serious opponents more especially in current arc in his last 4 fights that left him hurt and fainted which one of them was cause of a fox he couldn't beat
.RS isn't anything to be shame off as it's more of disguise than power boost. Plus he isn't helpless without it like Zoro is without his swords in a fight. He can fight fine as shown with Drake, your not helping your case there man.
What stale joke and stop with troll comment on brain as your only one with losing 80% of his brain with how your posting.
Off-Panelled didn't mean it never happen or he didn't do it as shown with off-paneling we see on many characters like BB, Sabo, etc., so got to get off of that as it's prove already about that.
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cause you dislike my opinion?
Luffy and Zoro got to train with the best. while they were in fact target of some minor jokes Sanji spent the entire timeskip running arround a beach in a dress with drag queens. oof.
most definitely. becoming a crying mess is not a requirement to show emotions. its the magnitude of how much of a wuss he become that bothers me. it does not suit him.
like when? a clean 1v1 vs a relevant character where he won the fight? clearly won the fight? panels please.
you are free to have this opinion. for me it is quite to opposite. its his badge of shame as Jajji was apparently spot on when he said that Sanji was weak.
lol no. its one of the most (if not the most) severe power ups a main cast character has received to date.
the washed up nose bleeds. I thought this was obvious.
his thought process during Zou and WCI was questionable at best. and I am being generous here.
it also does not confirm it. point being?
Luffy and Zoro got to train with the best. while they were in fact target of some minor jokes Sanji spent the entire timeskip running arround a beach in a dress with drag queens. oof.
most definitely. becoming a crying mess is not a requirement to show emotions. its the magnitude of how much of a wuss he become that bothers me. it does not suit him.
like when? a clean 1v1 vs a relevant character where he won the fight? clearly won the fight? panels please.
you are free to have this opinion. for me it is quite to opposite. its his badge of shame as Jajji was apparently spot on when he said that Sanji was weak.
lol no. its one of the most (if not the most) severe power ups a main cast character has received to date.
the washed up nose bleeds. I thought this was obvious.
his thought process during Zou and WCI was questionable at best. and I am being generous here.
it also does not confirm it. point being?
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Between the two, i dont care a bit bout BM, wouldn't mind if Oda forgot/killed her off when King flipped BM ship in Wano.
As for Sanji i am not a fan of WCI ending, i was expecting a pay off for Sanji after everything he went through in WCI arc.
The arc was good, Oda was able to create a emotional roller-coaster for Sanji, but the things that happened with him, he deserved a bit more by the arc end. I personally would have been satisfied if Oda handled Sanji saving Luffy or his relationship with Vinsmokes, better.
Other than that everything is fine bout Sanji. His character is one of the best in Onepiece, and WCI highlighted most of it, which can't be said for more than even half of SHs post ts.
As for him being used a hype tool, that's inevitable in any series. Sanji just happens to be in the sweet spot where he is ideal to hype Antagonist. Even Luffy got used as hypetool at moments like in Tea Party for Katakuri or in Wano against Kaidou. Problem arises when people dives deep into these PLs, which don't matter at the end of the day since Oda isn't entirely consistent with em.
So all things said i disagree with Sanji being treated bad by Oda, any doubts that remains would be answered by Oda by the end of Wano arc.
As for Sanji i am not a fan of WCI ending, i was expecting a pay off for Sanji after everything he went through in WCI arc.
The arc was good, Oda was able to create a emotional roller-coaster for Sanji, but the things that happened with him, he deserved a bit more by the arc end. I personally would have been satisfied if Oda handled Sanji saving Luffy or his relationship with Vinsmokes, better.
Other than that everything is fine bout Sanji. His character is one of the best in Onepiece, and WCI highlighted most of it, which can't be said for more than even half of SHs post ts.
As for him being used a hype tool, that's inevitable in any series. Sanji just happens to be in the sweet spot where he is ideal to hype Antagonist. Even Luffy got used as hypetool at moments like in Tea Party for Katakuri or in Wano against Kaidou. Problem arises when people dives deep into these PLs, which don't matter at the end of the day since Oda isn't entirely consistent with em.
So all things said i disagree with Sanji being treated bad by Oda, any doubts that remains would be answered by Oda by the end of Wano arc.
Personally, Sanji. The perverted gag has ruined his character for me since it started being overdone. Theres a potential character development on the horizon with the pudding thing, but Oda ditched that to bring Sanji back to square 1 with Pudding deleting his memories.
Big Mom is just Big Mom, love her character.
Big Mom is just Big Mom, love her character.
The thread is about Sanji and BM, but somehow there are people who start to talk about Zoro and Mihawk. I swear these haters are thinking about them more than we the fans are. 
Anyway, BM get the worst treatment. She literally became a walking meme after WCI. While Sanji get the treatment he deserves, as a cook first and fighter second.
Anyway, BM get the worst treatment. She literally became a walking meme after WCI. While Sanji get the treatment he deserves, as a cook first and fighter second.
I didn't mention anything that he's going to stop fighting.
The problem here is that a lot of Sanji-fans or people who praise Sanji a lot expect him to be in more fights or want him to beat down everyone.
A few years back when Oda announced the "Year of Sanji" all the fans of Sanji was expecting him to take on the whole world when in actuality Oda confirmed what his character is.
The problem here is that a lot of Sanji-fans or people who praise Sanji a lot expect him to be in more fights or want him to beat down everyone.
A few years back when Oda announced the "Year of Sanji" all the fans of Sanji was expecting him to take on the whole world when in actuality Oda confirmed what his character is.
Not as many as you think, just wanted Sanji to shine in the arc and he did. Some misunderstood thinking it be the fall of BM when that's kinda unbeliveable given how many on Strawhats side and can't take down Yonko half-filled in the end. It was Impel Down Arc type of arc, it wasn't about taking them down as in to retrieve in the arc.
Same issues going a bit more in Wano as many think it is 'Year of Zoro' when not that deep really as others gotten more spotlight and better in their fights compare to Zoro in his 4 past fights especially fainting issue that now community don't see him the same anymore in fighting capacity especially in durability. Plus Oda never stated it was his arc, just the war that will make Marineford look 'cute' in comparison.
Not disagreeing on certain points you have, but some misunderstand the direction of where arc is going in their mind and don't try to think how Oda handle things which cause bit of confusion on their part than his.
Same issues going a bit more in Wano as many think it is 'Year of Zoro' when not that deep really as others gotten more spotlight and better in their fights compare to Zoro in his 4 past fights especially fainting issue that now community don't see him the same anymore in fighting capacity especially in durability. Plus Oda never stated it was his arc, just the war that will make Marineford look 'cute' in comparison.
Not disagreeing on certain points you have, but some misunderstand the direction of where arc is going in their mind and don't try to think how Oda handle things which cause bit of confusion on their part than his.
That's not true Moe-kun check out the sites at the time : reddit, narutoforums , comicvine , & orojackson(not open anymore), most Sanji-fans or pro-Sanji people including myself was pitting Sanji against people.
Sanji vs (ichiji , niji, Oven , Daifuku, Katakuri, Judge, etc.) the list can keep going.
The problem here is we don't have any quote from Oda claming it is "The Year of Zoro", the simple fact it's a land of swordsman then there is a high chance Zoro's influence during the ark would be high.
Zoro =/= Sanji
Zoro's introduction when in Wano is cutting someone down and slicing a building in the process. (making himself wanted which in turn challenging Orochi and Kaido)
Sanji's introduction in Whole Cake Island is him thinking of a way to save the crew without a battle by marrying pudding.
Once again I think Big Mom is a bigger disappointment but for people who believe Sanji should be mainly battle orientated are the ones who will be disappointed, since Sanji's introduction he's been mostly a caring person and feed others than battle.
Sanji vs (ichiji , niji, Oven , Daifuku, Katakuri, Judge, etc.) the list can keep going.
The problem here is we don't have any quote from Oda claming it is "The Year of Zoro", the simple fact it's a land of swordsman then there is a high chance Zoro's influence during the ark would be high.
Zoro =/= Sanji
Zoro's introduction when in Wano is cutting someone down and slicing a building in the process. (making himself wanted which in turn challenging Orochi and Kaido)
Sanji's introduction in Whole Cake Island is him thinking of a way to save the crew without a battle by marrying pudding.
Once again I think Big Mom is a bigger disappointment but for people who believe Sanji should be mainly battle orientated are the ones who will be disappointed, since Sanji's introduction he's been mostly a caring person and feed others than battle.
Big Mom has been far more disappointing.
She went from being this supposedly smart, capable, competent, powerful individual to a dumb, incapable, incompetent, glorified punching bag.
Even now in Wano, she got neg diffed by King and fell into the ocean despite the fact her dumbarse can literally fly and then lost her memories in a Scooby Doo level plot twist. Her humiliation is only further cemented by being used as a overweight meat shield by the Straw Hats and getting her skull cracked by Queen.
This is without even getting into the details of her inglorious portrayal during Woe Bake Island.
As for Sanji, the only things I did not like was how the whole Vinsmoke plot was not actually resolved and how his cooking skills went nowhere.
It was not even Sanji’s idea, it was Pudding’s and apparently Chiffon was just as necessary as Sanji.
The entire Cake Plot was dumb. It had Bege acting completely out of character compared to previously, Pudding acting ridiculous, Big Mom getting consistently humiliated and Sanji helping to create a cake that no matter how you look at it, failed, proving the detestable Vinsmokes right all along.
The cake fully healed BM which is incredibly strange considering BM was physically healthy when Sanji left to make that cake and it did not even stall BM long enough by it’s own merit since Chiffon had to make a longer trip and all the Straw Hat’s allies had to stall a full power, healthy Big Mom.
The cake failed, end of.
She went from being this supposedly smart, capable, competent, powerful individual to a dumb, incapable, incompetent, glorified punching bag.
Even now in Wano, she got neg diffed by King and fell into the ocean despite the fact her dumbarse can literally fly and then lost her memories in a Scooby Doo level plot twist. Her humiliation is only further cemented by being used as a overweight meat shield by the Straw Hats and getting her skull cracked by Queen.
This is without even getting into the details of her inglorious portrayal during Woe Bake Island.
As for Sanji, the only things I did not like was how the whole Vinsmoke plot was not actually resolved and how his cooking skills went nowhere.
It was not even Sanji’s idea, it was Pudding’s and apparently Chiffon was just as necessary as Sanji.
The entire Cake Plot was dumb. It had Bege acting completely out of character compared to previously, Pudding acting ridiculous, Big Mom getting consistently humiliated and Sanji helping to create a cake that no matter how you look at it, failed, proving the detestable Vinsmokes right all along.
The cake fully healed BM which is incredibly strange considering BM was physically healthy when Sanji left to make that cake and it did not even stall BM long enough by it’s own merit since Chiffon had to make a longer trip and all the Straw Hat’s allies had to stall a full power, healthy Big Mom.
The cake failed, end of.
