General & Others Sanji or Big Mom?

[True God Moe]

cause you dislike my opinion?
Luffy and Zoro got to train with the best. while they were in fact target of some minor jokes Sanji spent the entire timeskip running arround a beach in a dress with drag queens. oof.


most definitely. becoming a crying mess is not a requirement to show emotions. its the magnitude of how much of a wuss he become that bothers me. it does not suit him.


like when? a clean 1v1 vs a relevant character where he won the fight? clearly won the fight? panels please.


you are free to have this opinion. for me it is quite to opposite. its his badge of shame as Jajji was apparently spot on when he said that Sanji was weak.


lol no. its one of the most (if not the most) severe power ups a main cast character has received to date.


the washed up nose bleeds. I thought this was obvious.


his thought process during Zou and WCI was questionable at best. and I am being generous here.


it also does not confirm it. point being?

Sanji had to beat all 99 Masters including Ivankov for his training and didn't have enough breaks or time to himself compare to those 2 who can rest from their fights, but Sanji have to keep being on the move back to back. He is also the only one to beat his own trainer while Zoro and Luffy did not. Also you do know Zoro was Perona's bitch for 2 years given her powers. He couldn't do anything to fight off that compare to Sanji's case.

Sounds more like a emo Sasuke to me and you missed my post of Zoro and Luffy crying like messes from their times and moments. Don't go into biased and Headcannon that it means your weak. Shanks said it better in this case:

You can't be mentally strong all the time and not cry. Your Human, not emotional to not feel anything. Learn to understand characters than your Two-Piece your reading and before you said 'Shanks never cried though', he did:

This is One Piece you get feels on moments. Please don't pretend otherwise from your headcannons. Crying doesn't make you a bitch, it makes you strong and you can overcome your issues down the line.

Page 1, Yonji, Bobbin, Raisin, etc.. Give me panels of serious opponent from Zoro he beaten an credible opponent. Don't say hide and seeker Pica or nerf Killer as they don't count obviously. I'll be waiting for answer for that.

I know, but majority opinion is that not many hate RS especially design wise if your stating and nor is it liability for Sanji who is strong with or without his RS easily. Also yeah, it is a disguise than power-up as Sanji has shown to be strong without it many times. He isn't like Zoro where it's canon fact without his swords, Zoro is helpless XD.

Nah, there are fine and been his character since debut just like Zoro getting his ass lost so many times, that been there which actually gotten a bit more stale honestly as how can he be that stupid for that long?

Nah, all make sense in his thought process. Get blackmail and put in an unloving family while worrying for your father/mentor and your friends and can't do anything or someone dies. Tell me how sane you be in real life if you felt that. Please don't pretend it's 'nothing' as those has face those and many can't handle it mentality at all. Think your brain is only one losing 80% right now saying that.

Context actually does confirm as Law and Sanji said they want him defeated. Been several chapters since he was shown, he is gone for good like Sanji said and Law didn't bash him for not completing the objective unlike an 'certain swordsman' who fuck up the plan for attacking officials and raising Orochi's suspicions in the first place (y).
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Big Mom has been far more disappointing.

She went from being this supposedly smart, capable, competent, powerful individual to a dumb, incapable, incompetent, glorified punching bag.

Even now in Wano, she got neg diffed by King and fell into the ocean despite the fact her dumbarse can literally fly and then lost her memories in a Scooby Doo level plot twist. Her humiliation is only further cemented by being used as a overweight meat shield by the Straw Hats and getting her skull cracked by Queen.

This is without even getting into the details of her inglorious portrayal during Woe Bake Island.

As for Sanji, the only things I did not like was how the whole Vinsmoke plot was not actually resolved and how his cooking skills went nowhere.

It was not even Sanji’s idea, it was Pudding’s and apparently Chiffon was just as necessary as Sanji.

The entire Cake Plot was dumb. It had Bege acting completely out of character compared to previously, Pudding acting ridiculous, Big Mom getting consistently humiliated and Sanji helping to create a cake that no matter how you look at it, failed, proving the detestable Vinsmokes right all along.

The cake fully healed BM which is incredibly strange considering BM was physically healthy when Sanji left to make that cake and it did not even stall BM long enough by it’s own merit since Chiffon had to make a longer trip and all the Straw Hat’s allies had to stall a full power, healthy Big Mom.

The cake failed, end of.

Actually the cake plot did succeed as it wasn't meant to knock her out forever. Of course she get up, but without the cake, Jimbei and others would have died by her directly, so cake wasn't without reason. Heck Oda defended the cake few times in SBS to state how important about it.

Plus just because BM is down, her crew are not, so she was only able to catch up to them due to her crew causing issues for the others to escape more, not because it made her powerful and did nothing as it truly did something to her.
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big mom is a yonko and sanji isn't therefore the answer is sanji lol

Yep, but Sanji been doing work since. BM too, but there is an 'certain individual' with 'fainting spells' lately though. Need to put him here.

 

[Finalbeta]

Big mom confortably takes this. She recieved nothing except embarrasment in WCI, her status as one of living top tier made it even worse imo. At the very least Sanji showed what he capable of with the cake.

The moment when some bright mind called her Big Meme for the first time ever

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Sanji has only taken Ls against characters that were reasonably strong

Vergo
Doffy
even judge was shown to be at least on par with snack.

BM literally got her strongest weapon stolen by a fodder
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frankly Sanji doesn't even have bad treatment. Oda hasn't been giving him much time to shine, but he hasn't been showing any of the SH except luffy

the issue with sanji is that he isn't as strong as some of his fans want him to be and his haters go out of their way to overplay all of his Ls

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

None of them LOLWell, Oda kinda did Big Mom dirty though

 

[critical mindset]

Sanji has stellar feats like cracking Luffy's head with his DJ (compare this with Kuri), breaking steel-bodied Oven's collar bone with a base kick and tanking ink arrows that had a fleet of samurai wanting to turn ship. BM and Zoro are really getting the backhand treatment way too much this arc from Oda lol. P0 was gone for two whole weeks lol, coincidence? Meanwhile Killer is up the next day after lethal-boi Zoro's slash. Oda is way too nice on Sanji, he needs to get more Ls to even out the score with Zoro