Current Events Sanji vs King or Zoro vs King? Pros and cons.

Who vs King

  • Zoro

    Votes: 154 70.6%
  • Sanji

    Votes: 64 29.4%

  • Total voters
    218
Queen is not a swordsman lol. His swords don't even have sheaths. King is the only one confirmed to be a swordsman
One does not have to have katana to be classified as a swordsman. Whitebeard’s bisento is considered as one of the 12 and Queen’s twin blades can definitely be graded swords. Plus, he has a mechanical arm, which might well work as a drill too (remind you Mr. 1?)
 
Zoro beating Big Mom and Sanji beating King would also mean Sanji fans could make fun of Zoro for beating someone who lost to the person Sanji beat.

Win-win situation.

Luffy beats Weakened Kaido (Strongest enemy and melee brawler)

Zoro beats Weakened Big Mom (2nd strongest enemy, swords(wo)man and woman... Zoro is the only M3 member who Oda allows to fight women)

Sanji beats King (3rd strongest enemy and kickman... flaming, flying kickman dressed in black)


Tell me this isn’t perfect ? :cheers:
 
From a non biased perspective from a sanji/zoro stan, or any other OP fan can you please give me an explanation after all we have seen sanji do from Dressrosa to WCI, how his powerscalling works?
Oda little cares about powerscaling

The characters are as strong as they have to be to fulfill their role in the story.
In EL, Sanji went from not being able to break Blueno's Tekkai on the sea train to beating the vastly stronger Jabra.
 
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So Queen's swords is just for show then?:josad::josad:Anyway, I rather see Zoro fighting Kaido than Queen since there's literally no build-up between the two imo:kayneshrug:
Pretty much. Don't you think it's a little bit odd if Oda designs a character with a Katana, who's confirmed to be a swordsman unlike his peers (Queen and Jack) and is also the 2nd in command of the BP and then Zoro doesn't fight that person at all.

I think Zoro will be in the Kaido fight too but i want him to have a 1v1 against a strong swordsman.
 
If Zoro does fight Queen I could see him no-selling a Brachio Bomber and saying only a weakling could get knocked out by that attack and then one-shotting him with Asura (remember BM took 2 hits to take him out and not permanently at that)

That would be enough to arguably put Asura Zoro at Low Yonko level or at least Admiral level.
 
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One does not have to have katana to be classified as a swordsman. Whitebeard’s bisento is considered as one of the 12 and Queen’s twin blades can definitely be graded swords. Plus, he has a mechanical arm, which might well work as a drill too (remind you Mr. 1?)
Whitebeard's bisento is one of the 12 Supreme Grade blades, but that doesn't make it a sword. We saw on panel that one of them was a spear.

King is the only one that's actually been confirmed to be a swordsman
 
Pretty much. Don't you think it's a little bit odd if Oda designs a character with a Katana, who's confirmed to be a swordsman unlike his peers (Queen and Jack) and is also the 2nd in command of the BP and then Zoro doesn't fight that person at all.

I think Zoro will be in the Kaido fight too but i want him to have a 1v1 against a strong swordsman.
Parallels between Sanji and King cannot be ignored though. King literally is a air based fighter who uses Diable Jamble (BMP’s ship). This is much more solid argument than “he has katana”
 

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Parallels between Sanji and King cannot be ignored though. King literally is a air based fighter who uses Diable Jamble (BMP’s ship). This is much more solid argument than “he has katana”
like i said, dont use logic here.
they want King which is have an aerial advantage fighting in land against zoro.
he literally might able to spam slash in the air
 
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Parallels between Sanji and King cannot be ignored though. King literally is a air based fighter who uses Diable Jamble (BMP’s ship). This is much more solid argument than “he has katana”
Parallels between King and Marco cannot be ignored. Foreshadowing for Zoro vs King cannot be ignored. Even Perospero specifically named Luffy, King and Marco as 3 people he would not forgive/held a grudge against.

Zoro wanted to cut fire ever since he saw Kinemon do it. Zoro has increased the power of his flying slashes. Zoro wants to become the WORLDS STRONGEST SWORDSMAN. Zoro beating the strongest swordsman on the enemy side goes hand in hand with his dream.
 
From a non biased perspective from a sanji/zoro stan, or any other OP fan can you please give me an explanation after all we have seen sanji do from Dressrosa to WCI, how his powerscalling works?
1- one simple kick using Hell Memories cooked a mountain sized opponent.
2- Even with a cracked shin goes toe to toe not losing an inch with Vergo(who can combine CoA and Tekkai similar to how Katakuri combine his hard moshi and CoA)
3- Tanked a meteor destroying move with his bare body from Doflamingo without much damage.
4- Doflamingo was forced to use Parasyte(a hax move that stopped Jozu a YC) to immobilize him.
5- One shotted a headline in Zou
6- Beat Yonji, an inhanced super human, off screan.
7- Judge was forced to use dirty tactics to deal with him and still didn't beat him.
8- Even distracted he could dodge FS user Katakuri.
9- Him and G3 Luffy blocked Big Mom.
10- Speed blitzed Oven.
11- Could tango with Daifuku's giant genie
12- Could lift a giant cake and jump with it before throwing it away like nothing with one leg.
13- Played around with Page One, a F6, while testing his RS
14- unscathed even when hit by X Drake in his zoan form that has the biggest strength.
15- Tanked Kanjuro's full on attack that destroyed ships with his bare body to protect Nami without any injuries.

=> He's more than ready to face a YC like King or Queen.
 
Parallels between King and Marco cannot be ignored. Foreshadowing for Zoro vs King cannot be ignored. Even Perospero specifically named Luffy, King and Marco as 3 people he would not forgive/held a grudge against.

Zoro wanted to cut fire ever since he saw Kinemon do it. Zoro has increased the power of his flying slashes. Zoro wants to become the WORLDS STRONGEST SWORDSMAN. Zoro beating the strongest swordsman on the enemy side goes hand in hand with his dream.
When was it confirmed King is the strongest swordsman in Wano? King is not fire himself, he uses fire to just strengthen his attacks, just like Sanji. Oda has never put more importance to some members of the crew compared to others. Let me ask you, was Pica a swordsman? Was Mr. 1 a swordsman? Their forte was durability and Queen probably is the most durable person out there.
Zoro wanting to cut fire is not a bigger argument than Sanji’s and King’s extremely similar fighting style.
 
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When was it confirmed King is the strongest swordsman in Wano? King is not fire himself, he uses fire to just strengthen his attacks, just like Sanji. Oda has never put more importance to some members of the crew compared to others. Let me ask you, was Pica a swordsman? Was Mr. 1 a swordsman? Their forte was durability and Queen probably is the most durable person out there.
Zoro wanting to cut fire is not a bigger argument than Sanji’s and King’s extremely similar fighting style.
Lmfao Mr.1 could literally turn his body into a blade. Pica literally had a massive katana. Yes they were both swordsmen.

And you're forgetting a recurring theme of Zoro's fights. Trying to cut what cannot be cut. Against Mr.1 it was steel, against Pica it was a mountain/golem and against King it would be fire (which Zoro explicitly expressed interest in cutting)

Marco vs King makes infinitely more sense than Sanji vs King too. He's actually strong enough to fight him, they both have similar DF's, both knocking BM's ship down the waterfall and their positions among their respective crews.
 
From a non biased perspective from a sanji/zoro stan, or any other OP fan can you please give me an explanation after all we have seen sanji do from Dressrosa to WCI, how his powerscalling works?
i’m biased but i would like to ask you this question why powescaling matter that much? it didn’t matter in eneis lobby where sanji wasn’t strong enough to break through blueno tekkai but then won against jabra whos 2x times stronger than blueno
 
1- one simple kick using Hell Memories cooked a mountain sized opponent.
2- Even with a cracked shin goes toe to toe not losing an inch with Vergo(who can combine CoA and Tekkai similar to how Katakuri combine his hard moshi and CoA)
3- Tanked a meteor destroying move with his bare body from Doflamingo without much damage.
4- Doflamingo was forced to use Parasyte(a hax move that stopped Jozu a YC) to immobilize him.
5- One shotted a headline in Zou
6- Beat Yonji, an inhanced super human, off screan.
7- Judge was forced to use dirty tactics to deal with him and still didn't beat him.
8- Even distracted he could dodge FS user Katakuri.
9- Him and G3 Luffy blocked Big Mom.
10- Speed blitzed Oven.
11- Could tango with Daifuku's giant genie
12- Could lift a giant cake and jump with it before throwing it away like nothing with one leg.
13- Played around with Page One, a F6, while testing his RS
14- unscathed even when hit by X Drake in his zoan form that has the biggest strength.
15- Tanked Kanjuro's full on attack that destroyed ships with his bare body to protect Nami without any injuries.

=> He's more than ready to face a YC like King or Queen.
2. Vergo wasnt at full strength vs Sanji and was still cracking his leg while not taking any damage from his kicks
3. That 1 attack nearly left Sanji unconscious while doffy wasnt using any haki vs sanji (he commented that the kicks were strong)
4. Sanji has COO should have detected the attack
10. King >>>>>>> Oven, nor was it a extreme diff battle
15 Kanjuro is way weaker than Okiku and those ink arrows were a joke

I just went on a couple points for the counter. too much time to counter all points.. so even though Luffy had 3 extreme diff fights to get to that level, all it takes is a raid suit and some unlogical powerscaling for Sanji to get to that level?
 
From a non biased perspective from a sanji/zoro stan, or any other OP fan can you please give me an explanation after all we have seen sanji do from Dressrosa to WCI, how his powerscalling works?
That was one CLASH in which sanji didn’t even know doflamingos powers. Similar that’s have happen to Luffy vs Caesar. I’m assuming no one thinks Caesar is above luffy
 
i’m biased but i would like to ask you this question why powescaling matter that much? it didn’t matter in eneis lobby where sanji wasn’t strong enough to break through blueno tekkai but then won against jabra whos 2x times stronger than blueno
so even though Luffy had 3 extreme diff fights to get to that level, all it takes is a raid suit and some unlogical powerscaling for Sanji to get to that level? Because it doesnt make any sense, it's like reading a book and then skipping 3 chapters and finishing the rest of the book.
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That was one CLASH in which sanji didn’t even know doflamingos powers. Similar that’s have happen to Luffy vs Caesar. I’m assuming no one thinks Caesar is above luffy
so even though Luffy had 3 extreme diff fights to get to that level, all it takes is a raid suit and some unlogical powerscaling for Sanji to get to that level?
 
2. Vergo wasnt at full strength vs Sanji and was still cracking his leg while not taking any damage from his kicks
3. That 1 attack nearly left Sanji unconscious while doffy wasnt using any haki vs sanji (he commented that the kicks were strong)
4. Sanji has COO should have detected the attack
10. King >>>>>>> Oven, nor was it a extreme diff battle
15 Kanjuro is way weaker than Okiku and those ink arrows were a joke

I just went on a couple points for the counter. too much time to counter all points.. so even though Luffy had 3 extreme diff fights to get to that level, all it takes is a raid suit and some unlogical powerscaling for Sanji to get to that level?
Sanji literally just got blown up while Nami was in his body. Not only that but sanji destroys vergo for MOST of that fight
 
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