Current Events Saturn is the Big Bad of Egghead

[Paperchampion23]

Yeah but that means the main antagonist of Ennies lobby is Spandam…

This is objectively true.

The point is the main antagonist can be:

- Weak (Spandam) or Strong (Big Mom)
- Luffy's opponent (Kaido) or not Luffy's opponent (Big Mom).

It doesnt necessarily matter. I agree that Saturn should survive the arc and establish a larger endgame threat with the WG (i.e. gets what he wants sans Bonney or VP), but he is ultimately the arc antagonist. It just doesnt automatically mean Luffy has to fight him, like Spandam or Big Mom

 

[HurricaneBilly]

People keep saying this but the incident could be any number of things:

- Huge Robot saves Yonko crew
- Kuma does something drastic
- Kizaru betrays the WG and dies
- Vegapunk actually dies

I just pulled those 4 things out of my ass lol

Except, of those four things, I get the impression that the only one of those events that would genuinely "shock the world" would be Kizaru betraying the World Government. That's one where if Kizaru pulls a heel turn, the WG will have to respond and broadcast to everyone that a former Admiral has turned coat and is now considered an enemy.

The Robot saving the crew would be big for the SH and individual parties like maybe the Revs or other pirate crews, sure, as would Kuma causing a stir at the island. But it's hard to imagine that those scenarios would matter much to the broader world at large. Especially the idea that the WG would make a big deal about Vegapunk dying, rather than deliberately keeping it on the down low so citizens don't pick up how odd that is.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Except, of those four things, I get the impression that the only one of those events that would genuinely "shock the world" would be Kizaru betraying the World Government. That's one where if Kizaru pulls a heel turn, the WG will have to respond and broadcast to everyone that a former Admiral has turned coat and is now considered an enemy.

The Robot saving the crew would be big for the SH and individual parties like maybe the Revs or other pirate crews, sure, as would Kuma causing a stir at the island. But it's hard to imagine that those scenarios would matter much to the broader world at large. Especially the idea that the WG would make a big deal about Vegapunk dying, rather than deliberately keeping it on the down low so citizens don't pick up how odd that is.

Everyone has an opinion on the event, when in the end it can be whatever Oda wants it to be lol

 

[BlackLegFring]

An escape scenario isn't out of the question, but the fact that Oda made it a point to inform readers in-text that whatever is going to go down here at Egghead Island will shock the whole world and be remembered globally as a specific incident suggests to me that Saturn won't be getting much of any sort of proper victory here.

I think Saturn will succeed in killing the original Vegapunk, but aside from that, I think his broader goal of securing the island and Vegapunk's work for the World Government will end in failure. Whether it be by the Straw Hats defeating Saturn or by someone like Franky or even Vegapunk himself activating a self-destruct sequence to take out Saturn and his own existing work with him to the grave.

What do you think happens to the Seraphim? Or the Mother Flame?
Those have to stay in the WG’s hands, so everything getting destroyed is not really an option unless Oda’s wasted everyone’s time.

The Strawhats will surely escape, but I believe that the WG will still succeed in securing most of their objectives anyway…and Saturn is needed for that.

 

[HurricaneBilly]

Everyone has an opinion on the event, when in the end it can be whatever Oda wants it to be lol

No arguments there. And like I said earlier, I'm not saying that an escape scenario won't happen here. It very well could.

My point is that whatever ultimately happens here, it will probably be a step out of the ordinary. But I could be wrong! We'll see.

What do you think happens to the Seraphim? Or the Mother Flame?
Those have to stay in the WG’s hands, so everything getting destroyed is not really an option unless Oda’s wasted everyone’s time.

The Strawhats will surely escape, but I believe that the WG will still succeed in securing most of their objectives anyway…and Saturn is needed for that.

Is it really a waste of time on Oda's part if Saturn fails to secure everything from Egghead Island for the WG? If anything, that sort of defeat would actually serve to fulfill the idea that "the Egghead Incident" is a shocking moment in history that has global ramifications, even if The Mother Flame and Seraphim aren't actually destroyed.

If say Saturn secures most of the Mother Flame, but one of the surviving Vegapunks manages to escape the island with a pivotal part to make the weapon even work, that isn't a waste of everyone's time- that's just fueling higher stakes between the Straw Hats and the WG into the story moving forward.

As for the Seraphim, I doubt they get destroyed, but I also wouldn't be shocked if something happens that results in them being freed from the WG's control.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

@Sir Yasheen​

My man dying on the hill alone @Sir Yasheen RESPECT :cheers::cheers::cheers:

 

[Sir Yasheen]

My man dying on the hill alone @Sir Yasheen RESPECT :cheers::cheers::cheers:

Kizarus connection to Egghead and Vegapunk is too important
:cheers:
Saturn may be here to hype his fellow gorosei, but in the end he’s not fighting luffy

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Kizarus connection to Egghead and Vegapunk is too important
:cheers:
Saturn may be here to hype his fellow gorosei, but in the end he’s not fighting luffy

with the hype from saturn this chapter i can only see luffy rising up and fighting him the robot seems more like escape to me at this point with reemphasis on saturn liking to see them escape i can see him commenting on the old robot

 

[Sir Yasheen]

with the hype from saturn this chapter i can only see luffy rising up and fighting him the robot seems more like escape to me at this point with reemphasis on saturn liking to see them escape i can see him commenting on the old robot

Eh this robot kinda feels like Eggheads version of Rayleigh from Sabaody.

It’s connected to Joyboy so I imagine it’s actually going to be impactful

 

[Weeman]

When has a Big Bad been defeated by someone who wasn't Luffy?

I said clobbah not defeat

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Eh this robot kinda feels like Eggheads version of Rayleigh from Sabaody.

It’s connected to Joyboy so I imagine it’s actually going to be impactful

I can agree, but at the same time I don’t think the straw hats need saving like that… maybe oda will humble my opinion, but bar getting on it and escaping using the drums it feels weird to leave the Saturn battle to a robot.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

I can agree, but at the same time I don’t think the straw hats need saving like that… maybe oda will humble my opinion, but bar getting on it and escaping using the drums it feels weird to leave the Saturn battle to a robot.

Eh with oda giving Saturn a hax that’s affected everyone except Frankys robotics I can definitely see oda using the robot and Kuma as a way to maintain the hype of this hax while still having a way to fight him.

And don’t diss the robot, he’s from the void century which means his tech is centuries above the current eras so he may very well have some broken abilities and with his connection to Joyboy lore wise it could be huge .

 

[BlackLegFring]

No arguments there. And like I said earlier, I'm not saying that an escape scenario won't happen here. It very well could.

My point is that whatever ultimately happens here, it will probably be a step out of the ordinary. But I could be wrong! We'll see.



Is it really a waste of time on Oda's part if Saturn fails to secure everything from Egghead Island for the WG? If anything, that sort of defeat would actually serve to fulfill the idea that "the Egghead Incident" is a shocking moment in history that has global ramifications, even if The Mother Flame and Seraphim aren't actually destroyed.

If say Saturn secures most of the Mother Flame, but one of the surviving Vegapunks manages to escape the island with a pivotal part to make the weapon even work, that isn't a waste of everyone's time- that's just fueling higher stakes between the Straw Hats and the WG into the story moving forward.

As for the Seraphim, I doubt they get destroyed, but I also wouldn't be shocked if something happens that results in them being freed from the WG's control.

The scenarios you suggested involve Saturn getting most of their objectives instead of all being destroyed like you initially suggested, so that’s fine.
The end point is them still being able to use the Mother Flame or Seraphim because that would truly be a waste of time otherwise if the WG doesn’t get to actually use them.

The same goes for the Seraphim being freed because that automatically buffs whoever has them immensely. The Strawhats aren’t walking off with them.
So in the end, even with the Strawhats’ escape it would still be a partial victory for the WG

 

[Cinera]

Saturn is a secondary antagonist but not as connected to the arc. Like Kuma and Vergo was.

Utter nonsense.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Utter nonsense.

What do you think will happen once kuma and the ancient robot comes? Are they going to do nothing?

 

[rikkomas]

Kuma + Robot + VP + Motherflame
Suicidal mission to save SHP & Bonney

No more egghead
Saturn saves himself but he is hurt
Big news all over the world

 

[mimzymo93]

People keep saying this but the incident could be any number of things:

- Huge Robot saves Yonko crew
- Kuma does something drastic
- Kizaru betrays the WG and dies
- Vegapunk actually dies

I just pulled those 4 things out of my ass lol

Kuma definitely uploading his memories of all the f**ked up shit the wgs done. and possibly blowing up egghead island as the strawhats escape

 

[silverfire]

This dude a literal monster, I greatly underestimated the old fart.

 

[BlackLegFring]

Kuma definitely uploading his memories of all the f**ked up shit the wgs done. and possibly blowing up egghead island as the strawhats escape

Honestly, I hope that Robin is the one to do it. She’s been missing for so long, so it’s the least that Oda can do to let her be the one to share that knowledge in Punk Records to the world.
She’s basically be giving one of the Gorosei who ordered the destruction of her home an “F__ you!” right in his face.

 

[Garps tekkai]

Yeah Saturn is the main antagonist, but I still think that Kizaru is the powerhouse here.
No better way of dropping logia awakening than this way. Peak DF power and peak technological power (ancient Robot) will make up the arc's climax I think.