Questions & Mysteries Shanks already defeated Loki

[kekaro]

Who knows, could be, could not be, we gonna see.

I will say this tho:

NOTHING from my memory (someone can post any instances of it that i forgot), NO EVENT was exactly told like we believed 1:1 vs what was told us to vs what actually transpired


A recent example of this was god valley:
- Garling was the "Champion of god valley", at the end he stabbed a defenseless xebec and was rivaling sommers, who himself is middle of the road HK from what we were shown.
- Xebec vs Roger and Garp turned out to be a boosted Xebec where at the end Xebec was not even totally defeated, and garp and roger themself couldnt move without help, so even the scuffed wrong versions was a tie.
- Whitebeards WSM title was on page shown be a total scam from the beginning, with the reveal and knowledge they knew imu existed
- The info that "only Whitebeard could stand up to roger" was totally debunked with Xebec and Garp (people were coping about garp cause he is a marine and doesnt count, with xebec totally shattered)

The list goes on from this event alone

So i would take it with a grain of salt, for both sides for what really happened

@comrade @ZenZu @Sentinel @Loki D. Terror @Kurozumi Wiwi @Elder Lee Hung

 

[Shiroyru]

Who knows, could be, could not be, we gonna see.

I will say this tho:

NOTHING from my memory (someone can post any instances of it that i forgot), NO EVENT was exactly told like we believed 1:1 vs what was told us to vs what actually transpired


A recent example of this was god valley:
- Garling was the "Champion of god valley", at the end he stabbed a defenseless xebec and was rivaling sommers, who himself is middle of the road HK from what we were shown.
- Xebec vs Roger and Garp turned out to be a boosted Xebec where at the end Xebec was not even totally defeated, and garp and roger themself couldnt move without help, so even the scuffed wrong versions was a tie.
- Whitebeards WSM title was on page shown be a total scam from the beginning, with the reveal and knowledge they knew imu existed
- The info that "only Whitebeard could stand up to roger" was totally debunked with Xebec and Garp (people were coping about garp cause he is a marine and doesnt count, with xebec totally shattered)

The list goes on from this event alone

So i would take it with a grain of salt, for both sides for what really happened

@comrade @ZenZu @Sentinel @Loki D. Terror @Kurozumi Wiwi @Elder Lee Hung

When did Sommers rival Garling?

 

[Blazing Lion]

Do you also think that Loki being chained up for 6 years was a lie?

You didnt know that Shanks used Lola as distraction, slipped a seastone laced drug in Loki drink and then chained him up?

 

[kekaro]

When did Sommers rival Garling?

They clearly are close enough in GV, all HKs in fact are, thats why the people talking who could win GV

if garlic was a tier above, or even multiple how people headcanoned pre GV, that would be stupid

Imagine having a competition and the participants would be cracker, Smoothi, and Katakuri and people were talking who gonna win.

 

[comrade]

Who knows, could be, could not be, we gonna see.

I will say this tho:

NOTHING from my memory (someone can post any instances of it that i forgot), NO EVENT was exactly told like we believed 1:1 vs what was told us to vs what actually transpired


A recent example of this was god valley:
- Garling was the "Champion of god valley", at the end he stabbed a defenseless xebec and was rivaling sommers, who himself is middle of the road HK from what we were shown.
- Xebec vs Roger and Garp turned out to be a boosted Xebec where at the end Xebec was not even totally defeated, and garp and roger themself couldnt move without help, so even the scuffed wrong versions was a tie.
- Whitebeards WSM title was on page shown be a total scam from the beginning, with the reveal and knowledge they knew imu existed
- The info that "only Whitebeard could stand up to roger" was totally debunked with Xebec and Garp (people were coping about garp cause he is a marine and doesnt count, with xebec totally shattered)

The list goes on from this event alone

So i would take it with a grain of salt, for both sides for what really happened

@comrade @ZenZu @Sentinel @Loki D. Terror @Kurozumi Wiwi @Elder Lee Hung

Yeah, we know Shanks and Loki were actually on friendly terms and shared ideals, both despising the WG. I don't believe it actually was a battle. But I also don't think Oda would make Shanks look bad. I think we won't get an explanation for that, Loki being chained was just a plot device.

 

[Shiroyru]

They clearly are close enough in GV, all HKs in fact are, thats why the people talking who could win GV

if garlic was a tier above, or even multiple how people headcanoned pre GV, that would be stupid

Imagine having a competition and the participants would be cracker, Smoothi, and Katakuri and people were talking who gonna win.

Sommers straight up admitted he had no chance of winning, which is why he tried to kill Shakky instead.

 

[Shiroyru]

Yeah, we know Shanks and Loki were actually on friendly terms and shared ideals, both despising the WG. I don't believe it actually was a battle. But I also don't think Oda would make Shanks look bad. I think we won't get an explanation for that, Loki being chained was just a plot device.

Loki wanted to attack the WG 6 years ago. Shanks knew that it was too soon (no Nika yet), and he had to fight Loki to stop him.

 

[kekaro]

Sommers straight up admitted he had no chance of winning, which is why he tried to kill Shakky instead.

...broski did i say Garling didnt win the fodder hunting competition? I litterarly said the opposite in my first post
Im saying if the gap is so close that if was the headcanon vs that garling is so much stronger than the rest, that scene would not happen. He even gets collateral diffed by xebec like the HK we dont even the name lmao
You need to read the words you are replying to

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Who knows, could be, could not be, we gonna see.

I will say this tho:

NOTHING from my memory (someone can post any instances of it that i forgot), NO EVENT was exactly told like we believed 1:1 vs what was told us to vs what actually transpired


A recent example of this was god valley:
- Garling was the "Champion of god valley", at the end he stabbed a defenseless xebec and was rivaling sommers, who himself is middle of the road HK from what we were shown.
- Xebec vs Roger and Garp turned out to be a boosted Xebec where at the end Xebec was not even totally defeated, and garp and roger themself couldnt move without help, so even the scuffed wrong versions was a tie.
- Whitebeards WSM title was on page shown be a total scam from the beginning, with the reveal and knowledge they knew imu existed
- The info that "only Whitebeard could stand up to roger" was totally debunked with Xebec and Garp (people were coping about garp cause he is a marine and doesnt count, with xebec totally shattered)

The list goes on from this event alone

So i would take it with a grain of salt, for both sides for what really happened

@comrade @ZenZu @Sentinel @Loki D. Terror @Kurozumi Wiwi @Elder Lee Hung

As an admirals guy there's an event that always comes back in mind
When Oda dropped the "flame emperor" chapter, everyone took for granted that Sabo got a W against the two admirals, Oda even drew a panel of Sabo in the middle with a "VS" opposed to Issho/Aramaki ( that's where the "sabo and a few good men" came from") while Kurouma was explaining was happened,...

Turned out Sabo didn't fight them at all and just did cardio, that Fujitora helped assisting the RA free the slaves and that his bandages came from fighting another admiral lmfao

I'm just going to add that that there are hundred of ways Loki could have ended up chained, and it could be related to his crew apparently being gone (I doubt Oda would have Shanks kill them) yet this fandom seem to believe it has to be either a fair 1 vs 1 or Shanks ganging on Loki with his crew.
Neither Jarul nor Gaban *lied*, Shanks did come back to Elbaf with Loki captured putting end to his journey , but how it unfolded is just headcanons based on assumption Oda would not *disrespect* Shanks (when I can think of several ways Oda could do it in a way that had Shanks save Loki's life) right now.

 

[Shiroyru]

...broski did i say Garling didnt win the fodder hunting competition? I litterarly said the opposite in my first post
Im saying if the gap is so close that if was the headcanon vs that garling is so much stronger than the rest, that scene would not happen. He even gets collateral diffed by xebec like the HK we dont even the name lmao
You need to read the words you are replying to

If the gap is small, then why did Sommers think that he had no chance at winning the competition?

 

[TheD.]

I would be very impressed by shanks if he actually managed to beat Loki in a clean 1v1

But this is one peice vague statements like those aren’t to always be taken as gospel


as we saw with Godvalley and Lokis flashback

I for one think if Oda really wanted to hype shanks up he should’ve shown shanks being unable to beat hk Harland and then at the end of Lokis flashback show him defeating Loki which he didn’t.


so there’s clearly more that’s being let on with that ordeal

and the fact Loki knows where shanks is at?

It sounds way too vague

 

[kekaro]

If the gap is small, then why did Sommers think that he had no chance at winning the competition?

He might have said that in your head, but not in the manga
In fact during the sequence, he talks to shakky he doesnt mention the competition at all, he just says garling will you claim you as his anyway, even the implication being that competition doesn't ever matter.

This is further enhanced by the fact that the marine guard who has no idea who is currently winning and wasnt even out as he was dutied to oversee shakky says the same by thinking this goes against Garlic despite he doesnt even know if he gonna win or not, not against the winner

Stop glazing garlic bro he aint him and you producing more L takes because him than usual

 

[Vanlax]

Maybe Shanks forced Loki out of DF transformation like he did to GB but Loki already said that fighting human size opponents in Zoan is very difficult.

Wouldn't be surprising if Shanks actually did.

Of all haki Brogy and Dory saw, Shanks was their metric for Joyboy's haki knot.

Also Loki is young and not even at his peak.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Shank's haki 2 years ago was matched by Old sick WB. 16 year old loki destroyed HK amped harald where even base harald has portrayal of being equal of base xebec and hence prime WB.

Loki also broke through imu's coc guard in base and imu's haki is confirmed to be >> WB's.

 

[comrade]

hank's haki 2 years ago was matched by Old sick WB

Roger's Haki was matched by DFless Whitebeard. Hybrid Kaido's Haki was matched by base Luffy. That "Haki matched" based on the collision of an attack is hardly a testament to overall combat ability.

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Roger's Haki was matched by DFless Whitebeard. Hybrid Kaido's Haki was matched by base Luffy. That "Haki matched" based on the collision of an attack is hardly a testament to overall combat ability.

True but it is a test of haki powers and shanks doesn't have anything outside of haki

 

[comrade]

True but it is a test of haki powers and shanks doesn't have anything outside of haki

With Shamrocks introduction, who can summon an awakened Cerberus, awakened Gryphon in Shanks' blade is on the table I think. And I think fighting Shanks himself, who is a power house on his own along with a mythical creature 2 vs 1 will be especially tricky. Not to mention any supernatural ability the Gryphon might have which Shanks could channel through the sword.

 

[Shiroyru]

He might have said that in your head, but not in the manga
In fact during the sequence, he talks to shakky he doesnt mention the competition at all, he just says garling will you claim you as his anyway, even the implication being that competition doesn't ever matter.

This is further enhanced by the fact that the marine guard who has no idea who is currently winning and wasnt even out as he was dutied to oversee shakky says the same by thinking this goes against Garlic despite he doesnt even know if he gonna win or not, not against the winner

Stop glazing garlic bro he aint him and you producing more L takes because him than usual

Bruh Garling can’t just steal another CD’s wife. Sommers was saying that Garling would ultimately claim Shakky because he’s the clear favorite to win the competition

 

[Loki D. Terror]

With Shamrocks introduction, who can summon an awakened Cerberus, awakened Gryphon in Shanks' blade is on the table I think. And I think fighting Shanks himself, who is a power house on his own along with a mythical creature 2 vs 1 will be especially tricky. Not to mention any supernatural ability the Gryphon might have which Shanks could channel through the sword.

Cerberus is a power given by imu though. It comes from the devil circle just like when gorosei transform.

 

[FutureWarrior123]

If Shanks beat him or not doesn't matter to me. Loki's feats still speak for themselves.