General & Others Shanks Blackbeard and Mihawk: 3 paths of strength

#42
Wrong as always.

This is what Mihawk thinks about swords.

He said, without subtlety a sword is just an iron bar. To him, even a supreme grade black blade is just an iron bar if you don't have power, strength, and skills.

A swordsman strength, power, and skills are the important thing, not the sword. Swords are just tools used to channel a swordsman power and skill through. The manga that makes that clear multiple times.

The manga stated Mihawk has greater sword skill than Shanks, not a greater sword.


Whether a character can create a black blade is determined by their strength, not the sword.

Zoro stated by the time he gets used to enma he would be much stronger. His growth from mastering enma was obtaining ACoC and overwhelming haki that he can apply to any sword.

All of Zoro's major growth post time skip are haki growth. He went from scaring Kaido and Big Mom with his haki, to scarring Kaido, to scarring King, to forcing a Gorosei to block his haki attack. They only block or evade attacks that concern them.

The only power that affected the Gorosei on Egghead Island was Joyboy level haki. Zoro forcing a Gorosei to block his haki attack says a lot about his haki strength and prove it's the user, not the sword that's important.

As you can see, sword don't give you anything. The power comes from them and they channel their power through their sword.
Zoro and oden got stronger through their swords and would be weaker if they got replaced with basic katana

Unless yoru isn’t special at all and anyone can use and master it than yeah it’s likely mihawk with yoru is stronger than mihawk without yoru

Everyone has haki but that doesn’t mean they have the same level of mastery of it as shanks, roger, or luffy
Hell zoro used haki first but luffy someone with a devil fruit has better mastery of it
Where is Shanks main focus on imbuing his AdCoC at? He gonna start to leash out Advanced CoC Headbutts and Kicks? He always fought so far with his Sword for a Reason (Vs Kid/ Vs Whitebeard/ Vs Akainu)
King imbues haki in his sword too
The only characters with better mastery over haki than shanks are dead
 
#43
Zoro and oden got stronger through their swords and would be weaker if they got replaced with basic katana

Unless yoru isn’t special at all and anyone can use and master it than yeah it’s likely mihawk with yoru is stronger than mihawk without yoru

Everyone has haki but that doesn’t mean they have the same level of mastery of it as shanks, roger, or luffy
Hell zoro used haki first but luffy someone with a devil fruit has better mastery of it

King imbues haki in his sword too
The only characters with better mastery over haki than shanks are dead
You didn't read anything I posted.

I provided a scene where Mihawks stated a sword without strength and skills it's just an iron bar and haki is Zoro main growth. You focus too much on the sword instead of the swordsman.

Training with grade swords is like training with quality weights. You will grow faster with it but you don't need it to lift that amount. Take enma away from Zoro and he can still use KoH style.

Luffy obtained CoC and ACoC first yet Zoro can use ACoC just as well as Luffy and his haki forced a Gorosei to block unlike Luffy. Why couldn't sky splitting yonko Luffy force a Gorosei to block or evade his attack?

If Shanks has greater haki mastery than Mihawk why didnt he beat Mihawk and become the WSS? We have seen Mihawk do more without his sword than Shanks.
 
#44
You didn't read anything I posted.

I provided a scene where Mihawks stated a sword without strength and skills it's just an iron bar and haki is Zoro main growth. You focus too much on the sword instead of the swordsman.

Training with grade swords is like training with quality weights. You will grow faster with it but you don't need it to lift that amount. Take enma away from Zoro and he can still use KoH style.

Luffy obtained CoC and ACoC first yet Zoro can use ACoC just as well as Luffy and his haki forced a Gorosei to block unlike Luffy. Why couldn't sky splitting yonko Luffy force a Gorosei to block or evade his attack?

If Shanks has greater haki mastery than Mihawk why didnt he beat Mihawk and become the WSS? We have seen Mihawk do more without his sword than Shanks.
You need to be strong to master a strong sword

Zoro uses haki like everyone else and has less mastery of it than luffy
Enma was killing zoro while using koh. Take enma away and yes he’ll become less capable. Enma makes the user stronger and the user has to be strong enough to master it. Same applies to oden and same applies to even stronger weapons than enma

Zoro didn’t do better against Ethan than Sanji but you trying to compare him to the guy who was fighting kizaru and Saturn at the same time.
Luffy canonically has better haki mastery either way

Because he doesn’t care about the title. Same way Roger never cared for it and still had the strongest haki
Don’t you think mihawk is the wsm and pirate despite not having the title?
 
#45
You need to be strong to master a strong sword

Zoro uses haki like everyone else and has less mastery of it than luffy
Enma was killing zoro while using koh. Take enma away and yes he’ll become less capable. Enma makes the user stronger and the user has to be strong enough to master it. Same applies to oden and same applies to even stronger weapons than enma

Zoro didn’t do better against Ethan than Sanji but you trying to compare him to the guy who was fighting kizaru and Saturn at the same time.
Luffy canonically has better haki mastery either way

Because he doesn’t care about the title. Same way Roger never cared for it and still had the strongest haki
Don’t you think mihawk is the wsm and pirate despite not having the title?
You do need to be strong to master a sword. The thing is the sword does not give you any new ability or power. A sword is not a devil fruit.

Take enma away from Zoro and he can still use KoH. This is true because we see him using KoH with all 3 swords. If he needed enma to use KoH we wouldn't see him doing it with this other two swords.

Enma was killing Zoro because he was using up too much haki and nobody has infinity haki. Zoro did fight in a war against thousands of opponents, 2 yonko and 1 lunarian all while fighting against a sword that trying to force him to release too much haki most of the war.

Rayleigh trained Luffy in all three haki areas over the time skip. Mihawk only taught Zoro blackened haki. I hope Luffy is currently better since he received more training. But Zoro is catching up. Zoro obtained CoC and learned to coat his things with CoC the same day Luffy learned ACoC.

We learned from Gorosei they only block or evade attacks that concerns them because of their healing powers. Zoro was the only one able to force a Gorosei to block an attack. That more impressive than Sanji or Luffy who needed breakfast, lunch and dinner to fight. Good thing he had friends and the enemy feeding him.
 
#46
You do need to be strong to master a sword. The thing is the sword does not give you any new ability or power. A sword is not a devil fruit.

Take enma away from Zoro and he can still use KoH. This is true because we see him using KoH with all 3 swords. If he needed enma to use KoH we wouldn't see him doing it with this other two swords.

Enma was killing Zoro because he was using up too much haki and nobody has infinity haki. Zoro did fight in a war against thousands of opponents, 2 yonko and 1 lunarian all while fighting against a sword that trying to force him to release too much haki most of the war.

Rayleigh trained Luffy in all three haki areas over the time skip. Mihawk only taught Zoro blackened haki. I hope Luffy is currently better since he received more training. But Zoro is catching up. Zoro obtained CoC and learned to coat his things with CoC the same day Luffy learned ACoC.

We learned from Gorosei they only block or evade attacks that concerns them because of their healing powers. Zoro was the only one able to force a Gorosei to block an attack. That more impressive than Sanji or Luffy who needed breakfast, lunch and dinner to fight. Good thing he had friends and the enemy feeding him.
One piece is a magical show where inanimate objects can eat fruits, ships can have their own wills, weapons can have their own will, and the power of belief imagination and love can make the impossible possible

We’ve already seen magical swords that have their own wills and have special abilities but somehow that stuff isn’t canon

Oden needed enma to do as much damage as he did

Enma is what gave zoro access to koh mode. He’s able to spread out his haki throughout his blades but the the overflow itself is because enma


In both cases you still need to be strong enough to master enma to that level and yes replacing enma with a basic katana would 100% make them weaker
Specifical weapons exist but you still need to be special enough to master them

? If enma didn’t help zoro he would have died

Luffy has better observation, armament, and conquerors mastery in less amount of time and will only keep growing to surpass roger and shanks

Base sanji no exoskeleton no ifrit saving Bonney and Franky

Zoro getting launched by Jinbe using one of his strongest attacks better than shishisonson, hardening, and arguably conquerors. With nusjuro being interested in sandai
 
#47
Considering Zoro has two advanced forms of haki and yet to master his blade . I'll say that Mihawk haki will 100% better stronger than Shanks. Both ACoA & ACoC, only way to master and blacken a supreme grade blade (unheard of).
 
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