Controversial Shanks encounter with Kidd did nothing positive for the story?

[DKI]

His actions just don’t make sense. Teach has been growing in power since pre skip.

Why is Shanks waiting up until Teach is at his peak to challenge him? If he was really serious why didn’t he do it during the payback war?

Why didn’t he help Wang Zhi?

Shanks seems to be just waiting for Luffy to do everything. That’s why he gave his arm for Luffy. He knew Luffy would be joyboy.

The fact is that Shanks is extremely scared of Blackbeard.

Despite the fact that we see trought the manga an exponential growth only of Teach's power and not of Shanks', in reality, Teach has always been on a similiar level of Shanks. This is implied in Shanks meeting with Whitebeard, when he basically begs Whitebeard to go and take Ace back, and says that the scar that aches the most is the one on the eye, inflicted by Blackbeard.
Just as Ace and Marco in the future, Shanks was also confident of beating Blackbeard, and the bad outcome of the fight shocked him.
While, due to the story being a Battle Shonen, it looks like only Blackbeard is growing in power and so Shanks is for no reason waiting for him to reach his peak before challenging him, I believe that Shanks is also growing in strenght (at least crew and alliances wise) and so he is actually waiting for HIMSELF to reach the peak, and he did now by forging an alliance with the giants.

Now he might finally feel ready to face his demons, surpass the eye scar ptsd and face Blackbeard once again.

 

[ZenZu]

Okay

Doesn’t change the fact he got a poneglyph on his own.




The fact that the BMP themselves didn’t know what Kid did makes it a significantly better feat than Urouge’s

Doesn't matter. Law's PH run which was unlike any other ally character in One Piece, where he outshined Luffy by far in substance and power levels was unprecedented. Oda had to dial it back because Law was damn near about to surpass Luffy in the next char poll.

Kidd has nothing like this. I thought Wano would be his moment, or at the very least he would get more focus and shine than Law who already got his flowers....but nope. Oda somehow still managed to make Law more impressive. I think it was fucked for Oda to do Kidd like that. Kidd should have been one of the main focuses of Wano, with a formidable arsenal. What we got instead was extremely low effort.

 

[Dragon777]

And even in his biggest win, BM, this Is Lilin doesn't giving a fuck about Kidd's attack and only praising Law:

I chose to not talk about the PW becuase there the difference was just too massive.

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Okay

Doesn’t change the fact he got a poneglyph on his own.




The fact that the BMP themselves didn’t know what Kid did makes it a significantly better feat than Urouge’s

one one hand i get "show not tell" oda been doing that too many times with kid. Its about time he treats him better, but damn you gotta be disingenous to downplay him to such a degree

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Doesn't matter. Law's PH run which was unlike any other ally character in One Piece, where he outshined Luffy by far in substance and power levels was unprecedented. Oda had to dial it back because Law was damn near about to surpass Luffy in the next char poll.

Kidd has nothing like this. I thought Wano would be his moment, or at the very least he would get more focus and shine than Law who already got his flowers....but nope. Oda somehow still managed to make Law more impressive. I think it was fucked for Oda to do Kidd like that. Kidd should have been one of the main focuses of Wano, with a formidable arsenal. What we got instead was extremely low effort.

I agree, his wano treatment legit disappointed me more than egghead

I think Kid’s moment is probably lodestar.

Wano was an ensemble cast. You had Kid, Law, the scabbards, Marco, etc. all teaming up against Kaido. It wasn’t Kid’s personal storyline in the way the dressrosa/PH was with Doffy.

But lodestar should be that due to Shanks. Say Luffy beats Teach in elbaf. His only other obstacle will be Shanks and CG, who I think will probably just team up.

Law has no stake in that fight as he’s already out of the race for PK. I think he’d probably stay on elbaf and go through Clover’s research.

Kid on the other hand would surely ally with Luffy against Shanks.

 

[JoNdule]

Beating no, he has barely beaten a weaker emperor in 2vs1, but having a far more hard fight yes.

BM isn't weaker than Shanks

Kid beating Shanks with pu is better than the nonsense we got

Anyway , nobody thought kid will beat Shanks without new PUs

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And even in his biggest win, BM, this Is Lilin doesn't giving a fuck about Kidd's attack and only praising Law:

I chose to not talk about the PW becuase there the difference was just too massive.

PW so strong that it didn't do much to bm

Anyway ,
Stop ruining this thread

This thread is about Shanks and kid encounter not BM vs Kid/Law or law vs Kid debate

@RayanOO can you please move all the posts that are our of topics here

 

[Dragon777]

BM isn't weaker than Shanks

Fair.
Imho BM Is quite weaker than Shanks, but It's a matter of interpretation.

Kid beating Shanks with pu is better than the nonsense we got

Maybe. I have always had Shanks vs BB in mind, so I have never entertained the thought.

Anyway, Kidd would have needed some Wano level plot armor to do It.

Best outcome would have been quite a hard fight and then Kidd somhow escaping.

Anyway , nobody thought kid will beat Shanks without new PUs

That would have been the only way, but he would have needed at least two if not three (advCoC, Skyplitting and FS).

 

[ZenZu]

I agree, his wano treatment legit disappointed me more than egghead



I think Kid’s moment is probably lodestar.



Wano was an ensemble cast. You had Kid, Law, the scabbards, Marco, etc. all teaming up against Kaido. It wasn’t Kid’s personal storyline in the way the dressrosa/PH was with Doffy.



But lodestar should be that due to Shanks. Say Luffy beats Teach in elbaf. His only other obstacle will be Shanks and CG, who I think will probably just team up.



Law has no stake in that fight as he’s already out of the race for PK. I think he’d probably stay on elbaf and go through Clover’s research.



Kid on the other hand would surely ally with Luffy against Shanks.

Kidd has a lot of potential as a character right now, he can have a humbling moment unlike any other where his character changes drastically. He is no longer in the race, and can come back with a completely different mentality. There is a treasure trove of good character writing that can come from this, it can also tie into a massive improvement of his strength, but I'm not expecting shit from current Oda.


Wano was an embarrassment, all the buildup for Kaidou and dude decided to take BM only to get carried there by another ally instead of Luffy. If you're still optimistic after that, more power to you.

 

[Shiroyru]

No it doesn't set shanks as final obstacle lmao

Shanks isn't an antagonist

And, luffy doesn't give a damn about kidd

“It’s time to claim the One Piece”

 

[Etzel Andergast]

The problem is some of you thought Kidd was Sasuke when he has always been Kiba.

👆👆👆👆

 

[Date]

Kid and Law were hipetools for the real big Pirates.

But as Law is a D. he survived to have more in the story

 

[LolonoisZolo]

what lesson

Don't go in without a plan especially against Yonko or you'll end up not only losing but also lose your crew... because he was way too cocky and would have lost Killer in Wano, if the SHs didn't save his ass and his crew.

 

[Nidai_Kitetsu]

I don’t even consider one of Kids real fans he is just tool for you to use against Zoro

He is not. @Chrono and I were the founders of Kidd FC in Orojackson Kidd was a badass those days, he has been reduced to a Luffy cheerleader at Wano

 

[Erkan12]

I’m convinced Shanks vs Teach will be nothing more than a short clash confirming that Teach has ACoC and can split the sky.

I think Shanks will actually more or less do nothing until Luffy beats Teach making Shanks his final obstacle to One Piece.

Teach will lose his right eye while beating someone before the final battle, and Luffy will lose his left eye while beating someone before the final battle as well.

Its either against Imu/Elders/Garling etc or Shanks.

 

[Roo]

Laws a hero 👏 he still took just as many Ls as kid

Law
Lost to Vergo
Lost to Doffy
Took him and Kid working together to beat big mom
Lost to bb


Kid
Lost to beckmen
Got crushed by big mom pirates
Took him and Law working together to beat big mom
Lost to Kaido
Lost to Shanks

They have almost have the same Lost record and Kids Lost to arguably stronger opponents

I'm just saying Kid gets slandered for losing to some of the strongest people in the verse

Meanwhile people praise Laws strength even tho the most he's been able to do is stall and beat people who are on the lowest levels of high tier

when did law lose to vergo?

 

[Yoho]

when did law lose to vergo?

The first time when Vergo had his heart hostage

 

[Roo]

Doesn't matter. Law's PH run which was unlike any other ally character in One Piece, where he outshined Luffy by far in substance and power levels was unprecedented. Oda had to dial it back because Law was damn near about to surpass Luffy in the next char poll.

Kidd has nothing like this. I thought Wano would be his moment, or at the very least he would get more focus and shine than Law who already got his flowers....but nope. Oda somehow still managed to make Law more impressive. I think it was fucked for Oda to do Kidd like that. Kidd should have been one of the main focuses of Wano, with a formidable arsenal. What we got instead was extremely low effort.

Monkey D is just tight Oda plays favorite with Law(even has his figurines in his study) while Kid gets shafted

Instead of acting like Law doesn’t get superior portrayal he should be channeling his anger at Oda for his shit writing

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The first time when Vergo had his heart hostage

Why even include that if Oda quickly corrected it by showing us Law is leagues above Vergo?

 

[Etzel Andergast]

Other than Illogical statements from fans such as
"THIS IS WHY SHANKS IS THE STRONGEST " his fans can say although they're wrong
"KID is done finally,..." Zoro fans and kid haters rejoicing

And

Ruining every build-up Oda did for new generations and Old Gen, and running Kidd's character

Him being at elbaf at that time already felt convenient out of the blue.
The whole "good and perfect leader" wank to say kid is evil FOR ATTACKING A YONKO FLEET cause "they are weak pirates" is nothing but silly writing lol
Like nothing here was natural nor great story wise.

It only enforces that Shanks is nothing but a mere self-insert character meant for fanservice to boost sales
That's why we also had that Greenbull fiasco, movie promotion. Disgusting

Even Marineford wasn't originally planned, but back then at least it was okay since he didn't really make other top tiers nor high tiers to look bad to hype Shanks

Someone should come tell me why Shanks is a great character if the Oda only uses him for sales and popularity reasons by constantly shitting on everything and every character he himself builds up

@RayanOO @TheAncientCenturion @Tyki_Mikk @Sentinel

Its not a silly writing

In the first chapter of One Piece Shanks was clear saying that he only gets mad when people try to hurt his friends
Shanks's fleet is the weakest btw all yonko because he want to protect these pirates against other strong pirates.
Who would have courage to attack the fleet of a yonkou?

It was said in Kid's introduction that he doesnt have mercy against weak people. What wouldnt make sense if he didnt attack

 

[Hyakujuu Kaido]

Don't go in without a plan especially against Yonko or you'll end up not only losing but also lose your crew... because he was way too cocky and would have lost Killer in Wano, if the SHs didn't save his ass and his crew.

so basically you are saying that he should have known that his next destination that he chose with luffy and law randomly was elbaf and that shanks was there lmao

 

[Chrono]

He is not. @Chrono and I were the founders of Kidd FC in Orojackson Kidd was a badass those days, he has been reduced to a Luffy cheerleader at Wano

Dont expose me