Powers & Abilities Shanks Has A Mythical Power In His Sword Too
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@EmperorKinyagi the more I think about it, the more it has to be true.
-Gryphon has never been stated to have a sword grade. This can’t be coincidence.
-Shamrock’s sword is also named Cerberus, so Saint Shanks’s sword being named Gryphon can’t just be a coincidence especially with the dichotomy you described in the OP.
So Saint Shanks returned to Mariejois, and they just gave him a mythical Zoan sword for no reason at all? “Hey welcome back to the Holy Land Figarland Saint Shanks, here is a mythical Zoan sword. Okay bye!” Hell no lmfao. Oda is trying to establish that Saint Shanks does indeed have connections to the Celestial Dragons that run deeper than simply being a CD by blood. Saint Shanks has some kind of loyalty to the World Government.
This all comes at the same time that Luffy’s faith in Saint Shanks is continually being challenged by the people around him. Oda even had Luffy acknowledge that he doesn’t know anything about Saint Shanks’s family, and Oda even also had Luffy falsely assume that Shamrock was a good person just by his relation to Saint Shanks. This all seems to be snowballing into a subversion of expectation for Luffy.
Saint Shanks is probably not evil like Shamrock, but he definitely seems to have some kind of ties or loyalty to the World Government, this stuff just continues to snowball chapter after chapter. Oda continues to challenge Luffy’s idolization of Saint Shanks, Oda has Luffy falsely assume Shamrock is a good person, Oda is even setting up Loki as a misunderstood “good guy” and Loki hates Saint Shanks.
Guys. It’s happening. Lol
Perhaps the term “evil” for Saint Shanks is too strong as Saint Shanks is no Shamrock, but Saint Shanks is definitely not the goody goody perfect pirate Luffy perceives him as being. He certainly seems to have some kind of loyalty to the Celestial Dragons.
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-Gryphon has never been stated to have a sword grade. This can’t be coincidence.
-Shamrock’s sword is also named Cerberus, so Saint Shanks’s sword being named Gryphon can’t just be a coincidence especially with the dichotomy you described in the OP.
So Saint Shanks returned to Mariejois, and they just gave him a mythical Zoan sword for no reason at all? “Hey welcome back to the Holy Land Figarland Saint Shanks, here is a mythical Zoan sword. Okay bye!” Hell no lmfao. Oda is trying to establish that Saint Shanks does indeed have connections to the Celestial Dragons that run deeper than simply being a CD by blood. Saint Shanks has some kind of loyalty to the World Government.
This all comes at the same time that Luffy’s faith in Saint Shanks is continually being challenged by the people around him. Oda even had Luffy acknowledge that he doesn’t know anything about Saint Shanks’s family, and Oda even also had Luffy falsely assume that Shamrock was a good person just by his relation to Saint Shanks. This all seems to be snowballing into a subversion of expectation for Luffy.
Saint Shanks is probably not evil like Shamrock, but he definitely seems to have some kind of ties or loyalty to the World Government, this stuff just continues to snowball chapter after chapter. Oda continues to challenge Luffy’s idolization of Saint Shanks, Oda has Luffy falsely assume Shamrock is a good person, Oda is even setting up Loki as a misunderstood “good guy” and Loki hates Saint Shanks.
Guys. It’s happening. Lol
Perhaps the term “evil” for Saint Shanks is too strong as Saint Shanks is no Shamrock, but Saint Shanks is definitely not the goody goody perfect pirate Luffy perceives him as being. He certainly seems to have some kind of loyalty to the Celestial Dragons.
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Dodge the question all you want clown
If you shoot Mihawk in the face while you're holding a sword it doesn't make you a better swordsman
If you summon a meteor that kills him while you hold a sword it doesn't make you a better swordsman
If you knock him out with conquerors haki while holding a sword it doesn't make you a better swordsman
If you use your sword to press a button that launches a nuclear missile and kills him, that doesn't make you a better swordsman
If you shoot Mihawk in the face while you're holding a sword it doesn't make you a better swordsman
If you summon a meteor that kills him while you hold a sword it doesn't make you a better swordsman
If you knock him out with conquerors haki while holding a sword it doesn't make you a better swordsman
If you use your sword to press a button that launches a nuclear missile and kills him, that doesn't make you a better swordsman
Sure. My point is that Oda never graded Saint Shanks’s sword despite grading the swords of Roger, Whitebeard, Fujitora, and Mihawk. He also quantified the power level of Big Mom’s and Kaido’s weapons but never said anything about Saint Shanks’s sword. This can be viewed as Saint Shanks’s sword not falling into the standard classes of pre-existing weapons like Cerberus.
Again, this goes back to the Benn vs Yassop question. We know Benns primary weapon is a gun and so is Yassops, but we also know that Yassop is the superior marksmen. Benn is probably very skilled with a gun as well, doesn't change the fact he is obviously less skilled. But in a fight we also know that Benn would win but not because he's the superior marksmen. Just take this concept and apply to Mihawk and Shanks who are obviously far closer in power than Benn and Yassop. Not saying Mihawk can't be stronger, it's possible, both sides have valid arguments.
Well that's what I'm saying. We have Mihawk with a sword, Shanks with a sword, Benn with a gun and Yassop with a gun. Yassop is the better, more skilled marksmen but would lose against Benn in a fight, not because Benn is better at marksmanship, but because of other factors. Benn beating Yassop wouldn't change Yassop being the better marksmen. So the same can be possible with Mihawk and Shanks. Again, not saying Mihawk can't be stronger but I think this argument has some validity to it.
Not exactly comparable situations when you add context.
Mihawk's title is the strongest swordsman in the world not the most skilled
Yasopp was never mentioned as the strongest.
Also using Zoro example we know that it is a title that is defined by strength like trying to defeat Mihawk in a duel or him saying that he can't lose to a swordsman
The argument is not about what Mihawk's title means, because that is very clear.
The argument is about whether Shanks is a swordsman or not.
Mihawk's title is the strongest swordsman in the world not the most skilled
Yasopp was never mentioned as the strongest.
Also using Zoro example we know that it is a title that is defined by strength like trying to defeat Mihawk in a duel or him saying that he can't lose to a swordsman
The argument is not about what Mihawk's title means, because that is very clear.
The argument is about whether Shanks is a swordsman or not.
Strength in Marksmanship is defined by the skills necessary for one to be a proficient Marksman. Accuracy, quick to the draw and some aspects of haki that are primary for it. The reason it's comparable is because Marksmanship and Swordsmanship are essentially the same. They are categories of weapon mastery, just different weapons. If we can logically conclude that Benn, with a gun as his primary weapon, is less skilled at Marksmanship than Yassop, but can still defeat him in battle, then the same can be extended to Swordsmanship. Even in the manga the words "sword skill" were used when describing Mihawks superiority to Shanks, instead of Oda just writing "Stronger". Strength in swordsmanship is ultimately just the skills which fall under this Martial art.
