Powers & Abilities Shanks Has A Mythical Power In His Sword Too

[HA001]

Strength in Marksmanship is defined by the skills necessary for one to be a proficient Marksman. Accuracy, quick to the draw and some aspects of haki that are primary for it. The reason it's comparable is because Marksmanship and Swordsmanship are essentially the same. They are categories of weapon mastery, just different weapons. If we can logically conclude that Benn, with a gun as his primary weapon, is less skilled at Marksmanship than Yassop, but can still defeat him in battle, then the same can be extended to Swordsmanship. Even in the manga the words "sword skill" were used when describing Mihawks superiority to Shanks, instead of Oda just writing "Stronger". Strength in swordsmanship is ultimately just the skills which fall under this Martial art.

Except mihawk is called worlds STRONGEST Swordsman AND is superior in skill to Shanks

Its not an either or

It both.

Essentially what you are doing here is having Benn being called the strongest marksmen AND more skilled with his gun than yassop. Then trying to argue any which way yassop is superior when there is non.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

But they weren't all reveled straight away either.
Its more likely shanks has a Supreme graded weapon (like roger) than not

Oda revealed Whitebeard’s sword as a supreme blade.

He revealed Big Mom’s sword as equivalent to a supreme blade.

He revealed that Kaido’s weapon was not graded, but it would be a legendary weapon.

He revealed the details of all of these swords, but all he said about Gryphon was it’s name and nothing more.

So it would seem that Oda doesn’t intend for Gryphon to fall under the standard weapon classification system. Which increases the chances that it is like Cerberus.

 

[Hamlette]

Except mihawk is called worlds STRONGEST Swordsman AND is superior in skill to Shanks

Its not an either or

It both.

Essentially what you are doing here is having Benn being called the strongest marksmen AND more skilled with his gun than yassop. Then trying to argue any which way yassop is superior when there is non.

Yes, but the strength here is IN swordsmanship. His title isn't, " The strongest fighter who is also the most skilled swordsman". It's effectively, "The strongest at the art of Swordsmanship". Just like Yassop is stronger at the art of Marksmanship than Benn but an inferior overall fighter.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

@EmperorKinyagi the more I think about it, the more it has to be true.

-Gryphon has never been stated to have a sword grade. This can’t be coincidence.

-Shamrock’s sword is also named Cerberus, so Saint Shanks’s sword being named Gryphon can’t just be a coincidence especially with the dichotomy you described in the OP.

So Saint Shanks returned to Mariejois, and they just gave him a mythical Zoan sword for no reason at all? “Hey welcome back to the Holy Land Figarland Saint Shanks, here is a mythical Zoan sword. Okay bye!” Hell no lmfao. Oda is trying to establish that Saint Shanks does indeed have connections to the Celestial Dragons that run deeper than simply being a CD by blood. Saint Shanks has some kind of loyalty to the World Government.

This all comes at the same time that Luffy’s faith in Saint Shanks is continually being challenged by the people around him. Oda even had Luffy acknowledge that he doesn’t know anything about Saint Shanks’s family, and Oda even also had Luffy falsely assume that Shamrock was a good person just by his relation to Saint Shanks. This all seems to be snowballing into a subversion of expectation for Luffy.

Saint Shanks is probably not evil like Shamrock, but he definitely seems to have some kind of ties or loyalty to the World Government, this stuff just continues to snowball chapter after chapter. Oda continues to challenge Luffy’s idolization of Saint Shanks, Oda has Luffy falsely assume Shamrock is a good person, Oda is even setting up Loki as a misunderstood “good guy” and Loki hates Saint Shanks.

Guys. It’s happening. Lol

Perhaps the term “evil” for Saint Shanks is too strong as Saint Shanks is no Shamrock, but Saint Shanks is definitely not the goody goody perfect pirate Luffy perceives him as being. He certainly seems to have some kind of loyalty to the Celestial Dragons.


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Excellent observations. I also agree that while Shanks may not be outright evil in the way Shamrock is, it’s extremely likely there was at least some period where he flirted with the idea of being a CD. The trip to Mariejois makes it obvious.

A sword grade has nothing to do whether it has a devil fruit or not

Absolute cope, Shanks is a fucking Yonko.

If he had a supreme grade blade we would be made aware (especially since there was a literal booklet with Film Red about his abilities), and the fact that he doesn’t but is still an emperor means his weapon will have to be something special (ie like BM’s).

 

[HA001]

Excellent observations. I also agree that while Shanks may not be outright evil in the way Shamrock is, it’s extremely likely there was at least some period where he flirted with the idea of being a CD. The trip to Mariejois makes it obvious.


Absolute cope, Shanks is a fucking Yonko.

If he had a supreme grade blade we would be made aware (especially since there was a literal booklet with Film Red about his abilities), and the fact that he doesn’t but is still an emperor means his weapon will have to be something special (ie like BM’s).

Bet your account

 

[HA001]

Yes, but the strength here is IN swordsmanship. His title isn't, " The strongest fighter who is also the most skilled swordsman". It's effectively, "The strongest at the art of Swordsmanship". Just like Yassop is stronger at the art of Marksmanship than Benn but an inferior overall fighter.

That's not what his title is. His title is strongest swordsman. Verbatim whitebeards title. Wb isn't the most skilled man.

 

[HA001]

Oda revealed Whitebeard’s sword as a supreme blade.

He revealed Big Mom’s sword as equivalent to a supreme blade.

He revealed that Kaido’s weapon was not graded, but it would be a legendary weapon.

He revealed the details of all of these swords, but all he said about Gryphon was it’s name and nothing more.

So it would seem that Oda doesn’t intend for Gryphon to fall under the standard weapon classification system. Which increases the chances that it is like Cerberus.

It doesn't seem like that at all. He just hasn't told us yet. Like I said 7 left make it way more likely its a Supreme Grade than not.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Bet your account

I’ll do a 5 month pfp bet

 

[HA001]

I’ll do a 5 month pfp bet

Make a thread with a poll.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

It doesn't seem like that at all. He just hasn't told us yet. Like I said 7 left make it way more likely its a Supreme Grade than not.

Why??

He told us for every other Yonko and “great pirate”. He told us for Roger, Whitebeard, Kaido, Big Mom, and Mihawk. So why hasn’t he told us for Saint Shanks? It is suspicious that he named Saint Shanks’s sword but didn’t tell us anything about it. It’s almost as if Oda was concealing information about Gryphon for a specific reason. And the planets now seem to be aligning.

 

[HA001]

Why???

He told us for every other Yonko and “great pirate”. He told us for Roger, Whitebeard, Kaido, Big Mom, and Mihawk. So why hasn’t he told us for Saint Shanks? It is suspicious that he named Saint Shanks’s sword but didn’t tell us anything about it. It’s almost as if Oda was concealing information about Gryphon for a specific reason. And the planets now seem to be aligning.

Because he's not had his arc like those two maybe.
You're welcome to bet

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Make a thread with a poll.

Nah bro it’s 1v1 you and me tag a mod

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Nah bro it’s 1v1 you and me tag a mod

Honestly how many L’s can Zoro fans take before yall stop doing it to yourselves lmfao. Your only objection to this is that it would point to Saint Shanks not being a pure swordsman like Mihawk.

 

[Hamlette]

That's not what his title is. His title is strongest swordsman. Verbatim whitebeards title. Wb isn't the most skilled man.

Strength here is used specifically with Mihawk, it's strength in swordsmanship. With WB there is no specification, it's just strongest man, that's the difference. If you say someone is a strong singer or strong basket player, your talking about their ability in that specific field. In the field of swordsmanship Mihawk is the strongest. In the field of Marksmanship Yassop is stronger than Benn. It's really simple.

 

[EmperorKinyagi]

Honestly how many L’s can Zoro fans take before yall stop doing it to yourselves lmfao. Your only objection to this is that it would point to Saint Shanks not being a pure swordsman like Mihawk.

Also despite what they say, if Shanks were to have abandoned “pure swordsmanship” his entire dynamic with Mihawk makes WAYYYYYYYYY more sense

 

[HA001]

Honestly how many L’s can Zoro fans take before yall stop doing it to yourselves lmfao. Your only objection to this is that it would point to Saint Shanks not being a pure swordsman like Mihawk.

Hilarious the Latrines talking about Ls whilst you still pedalling this Saint Shanks nonsense.

No such thing as pure swordsman.
The point in the ranking of the swords the stronger the weapon the stronger the haki needed and the higher the grade the more power it can channel.

Shanks absolutely has a graded sword as will garling
And again grading HAS NOTHING to do with it having a fruit as graded swords can be given fruits also.

 

[HA001]

Strength here is used specifically with Mihawk, it's strength in swordsmanship. With WB there is no specification, it's just strongest man, that's the difference. If you say someone is a strong singer or strong basket player, your talking about their ability in that specific field. In the field of swordsmanship Mihawk is the strongest. In the field of Marksmanship Yassop is stronger than Benn. It's really simple.

The stronger singer would win in a singing contest
The stronger swordsman wins in a fight.

 

[Hamlette]

The stronger singer would win in a singing contest
The stronger swordsman wins in a fight.

The strongest fighter wins in a fight. The strongest Swordsman wins in a sword duel. The strongest Marksman wins in a gun duel. Benn beats Yassop, he's not the better Marksman. If Shanks is purely just a swordsman just like Mihawk then yes he loses to Mihawk, but that's an assumption. Just like Benn wins against Yassop but he obviously doesn't win through being the stronger marksman. All I'm saying is prepare for that possibility.

 

[comrade]

Just one question for me to test your level of mental sanity.

Would Mihawk be interested in dueling someone who uses earthquake waves on his long-handled sword to overcome him?

Would Mihawk be interested in dueling Fujitora, who uses gravity and meteors in his attacks?

Would Mihawk be interested in dueling against Law, who uses peculiar surgical methods in his sword attacks?

Would Mihawk be interested in fighting King, who uses fire dragons (karyudon) on his sword?

Would Mihawk be interested in fighting someone who uses a giant cerberus to fight with his sword?

Mihawk doesn't mind dueling against characters who use other fighting methods, he is always on the lookout for characters who consider themselves swordsmen

Whitebeard isn't a swordsman. He uses a Naginata with quake powers. Fujitora on the other hand is a swordsman. He was characterized as such, uses a sword and even incorporates his DF ability into swordsmanship (gravity blade), which is to some extend just mimicking ACoC. If Mihawk has trouble with some meteors crashing down, he wouldn't be the WSS. Same with King. There is a literal swordstyle designed to cut through fire as if a solid object, so why would someone amping his blade with fire be a problem?

It's not that Mihawk would seek swordsmen who can cast fire and create gravity and throw meteors, it's just that he wouldn't draw an arbitrary line and consider himself the world's strongest swordsman if he lost to Fujitora's gravity blade.

I get the sentiment that people like Big Mom, Kizaru or Law are a grey area because they are heavy lifted by their DF, especially Law's and Kizaru's abilities heavily revolve on DF specific moves, but as @ConquistadoR said, that's not where the money lies. We don't have to micro analyse DF merchants like Law and Kizaru, when we have pure, DFless and Haki based top tier swordsmen, both from the current and previous era (Shanks, Roger, Rayleigh, Xebec, ...). Kaido specifically grouped Shanks together with the likes of Whitebeard, Roger, Xebec and Oden in regards to the great pirates he encountered. So Mihawk being rivals with Shanks, having fierce duels remembered by Whitebeard as one of the legends and now standing as the WSS, is actually enough. We don't need do wonder if Law would fall into the WSS race with his Ope power, because he is anyways beneath the guy(s) Mihawk considers a peer.

 

[HA001]

The strongest fighter wins in a fight. The strongest Swordsman wins in a sword duel. The strongest Marksman wins in a gun duel. Benn beats Yassop, he's not the better Marksman. If Shanks is purely just a swordsman just like Mihawk then yes he loses to Mihawk, but that's an assumption. Just like Benn wins against Yassop but he obviously doesn't win through being the stronger marksman. All I'm saying is prepare for that possibility.

Its not something that needs to be worried about all shanks has is swordsmanship and haki same as mihawk same as zoro
Zoros swordsmanship gets stronger through haki buffs