General & Others Shanks - Lost Arm

#22
No offense, but your point is vague and gets worse with dragging in Mihawk. It meanders in what I assume is overcomplicating itself.

Simply: in the years after losing the arm he became a Yonko. Worth 4 billion. Recently he managed to clash with Kaido and made it through just fine. He is of the strongest order and speculating how he'd compare with his missing arm intact is useless.
How is it vague ??

I'm making an argument that Shanks individually is not as powerful without his dominant arm. -- This is stated a lot by the fandom

  • Yonko title is not about individual strength
  • Whitebeard states a man of Shanks caliber losing an arm is alarming
  • We don't have enough info in regards to the "clash" with Kaido & Shanks
  • Mihawk is someone who's fought Shanks time & time again (similarly Roger fought Garp and they grew a bond enough for him to trust his son to him)
Do you believe he's as powerful without his dominant arm ??
 

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#24
Well, Poseidon is arguably one of the strongest beings in the entire one piece verse. There's a reason even the WG fear the ancient weapons.
Jokes aside I totally don't understand how these creatures are strong when Momonga is even taking care of them.

Ones summoned by Shirahoshi are Yonko in their sea world or something xD?
 
#25
Jokes aside I totally don't understand how these creatures are strong when Momonga is even taking care of them.

Ones summoned by Shirahoshi are Yonko in their sea world or something xD?
Momonga took out one of them. When you're commanding hundreds, thousands, ..., maybe even billionaires of these sea kings, you have much more power than anyone we have seen in the series.

Remember, the sea is much more vast than land, especially in the one piece world.
 

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#26
Momonga took out one of them. When you're commanding hundreds, thousands, ..., maybe even billionaires of these sea kings, you have much more power than anyone we have seen in the series.

Remember, the sea is much more vast than land, especially in the one piece world.
Makes sense.
 
#32
How is it vague ??

I'm making an argument that Shanks individually is not as powerful without his dominant arm. -- This is stated a lot by the fandom

  • Yonko title is not about individual strength
  • Whitebeard states a man of Shanks caliber losing an arm is alarming
  • We don't have enough info in regards to the "clash" with Kaido & Shanks
  • Mihawk is someone who's fought Shanks time & time again (similarly Roger fought Garp and they grew a bond enough for him to trust his son to him)
Do you believe he's as powerful without his dominant arm ??
Yes, because his reputation as a pirate has increased. It's entirely possible for someone to improve in the real world after losing a dominant limb and so in fiction I can also believe it's possible. But mainly, it's that his status as a pirate has improved since and I wouldn't overcomplicate that.

Kaido wouldn't show him any mercy, we saw his strength in sparring Newgate, and everyone present backed down when he threw out the welcome mat at Marineford. Any other explanation of where he stands involves convoluted bias.
 
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#33
We, can use drafts and previous statements from Oda to come to a consensus or an assumption if itโ€™s backed by manga evidence.

Mihawk even having the epithet clairvoyance right now is supported by his feats, hence the reasoning we can that moniker.
So Kata has flower fruit and uses swordmanship?
So Zoro is buggy nakama?
So Shiki is an admiral right?

Drafts are just rough ideas... We only use final and Manga facts not rough drafts

He's not clairvoyant, he's Hawkeye.
Telling how strong someone is is what every CoO used can. Nothing amazing there.
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How is it vague ??

I'm making an argument that Shanks individually is not as powerful without his dominant arm. -- This is stated a lot by the fandom

  • Yonko title is not about individual strength
  • Whitebeard states a man of Shanks caliber losing an arm is alarming
  • We don't have enough info in regards to the "clash" with Kaido & Shanks
  • Mihawk is someone who's fought Shanks time & time again (similarly Roger fought Garp and they grew a bond enough for him to trust his son to him)
Do you believe he's as powerful without his dominant arm ??
Yes he's even more powerful as He can equally clahs WB and kaido
While Mihawk can't get passed Vista.
 
#40
Wanted to start a discussion in, regards to Shanks lost arm .. there has been a lot of users who believe Shanks did not decrease in strength or that he is still as powerful with both arms, a wanted to put some of those things to bed.



Firstly : Editors sentiment to have Shanks lose his arm :

Oda had no intention that Shanks lost his arm, but after an editor told him that the story was not interesting enough, Oda decided to cut his arm off. ONE PIECE Grand Countdown 2 (2010)

When deciding to remove Shanks arm the influence did stem from an editors point of view, however the point from the editor was that the story was not interesting enough removing Shanks arm was still Oda's decision there were other avenues he could have taken, but didn't - if anyone has additional information on the editors influence please post it.

Secondly : Shanks strength did not dwindle since he lost his DOMINANT arm

i.) This statement from everyone comes from a mistranslation/misunderstanding from a data-book with Shanks which states "Even with one-arm his power is overwhelming!! He can stop Akainu's Logia attack with his sword!!"

ii.) Mihawkโ€™s Epithet as โ€œClairvoyantโ€ which has been highlighted multiple times in series and has been accurate on numerous occasions
A.) Luffy's real power capable of drawing in people
B.) Telling Zoro he'd already lose before the fight even began (East Blue)
C.) first to realize Whitebeard Strength dropped since being old
D.) Directly stating Shanks is a one-armed has been in front of commanders and a Yonko army - could be the same thing Kid lost his arm for stating

iii.) Slight detail from Oda which he added, Shanks keeps his scabbard on the right hand side while he only has his right arm - this is an unbalance for a swordsman, Shanks is left handed and it would seem as though he has still not adjusted (even though it's been a decade) since he's lost his arm.

Just wanted to provide some info on Shanks and details on his missing arm, I do believe it is a factor that it is missing and if he still maintained that arm he'd be fighting Mihawk toe to toe.
No, I donโ€™t think so. His power did not change. Odas view of him as a character and where he stands shouldnโ€™t have changed at all if the editor made him do so. It is for cool factor , that is all.
woth two arms he would have the same powerlevel as he had with one arm as his place and role in the story were preordained by oda in advance.
And also, he already is pretty close to mihawk imo. But mihawk wins, as per his title.
 
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