Chapter Discussion Shanks not the top of Pirates according to Kaido

[Celestial D. Dragon]

yeah but shiki isn't there

Honestly, I think what made Shiki so dangerous was the size of his fleet. Not saying he wasn't strong in his own right, but at the battle of Edd war it was Shiki and 50 ships vs the Roger Pirates, and it still resulted in a draw, even if they lucked out due to a storm. Could you imagine if the Roger Pirates fought the Whitebeard Pirates and a fleet of 50 ships?

You also have to figure that even Shiki conceded to it being Whitebeards era after Roger died. I can't see that being something someone who supposedly stands shoulder to shoulder with Roger and Whitebeard would do.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

Honestly, I think what made Shiki so dangerous was the size of his fleet. Not saying he wasn't strong in his own righ

His devil fruit itself is dangerous but he couldn't get no big name right hand so he needed a fleet,

You also have to figure that even Shiki conceded to it being Whitebeards era after Roger died. I can't see that being something someone who supposedly stands shoulder to shoulder with Roger and Whitebeard would do.

Yeah whitebeard alr had the title even when rodger was alive but I think, shiki fleet was because rodger main crew were an all around problem , gaban rayleigh fodders who are probably really strong

 

[Jo_Ndule]

The word ceiling does not appear in the raw. Close this terrible thread. Shanks is on the same level as WB and Roger. Deal with it.

Oden too

Great
Kaido > Oden ~ Young kaido > Roger/WB> Shanks confirmed

If Shanks was around Roger/Primebeard
He would be able to beat or do better than Oden vs Kaido... he didn't.

 

[uyuu]

Kaido says "how for up CEILING will Luffy go" in the Viz. Roger and WB is at the top of the ceiling and shanks is at the bottom. Makes complete sense now.

So Rocks D. Xebec is also at the bottom while he is Kaido-WB-BM's superior? Just incorrect.

And if this only serves to downplay Shanks, it can also backfire to the retort that Mihawk doesn't even make it to the bottom.

 

[Seraphoenix]

Oden too

Great
Kaido > Oden ~ Young kaido > Roger/WB> Shanks confirmed

If Shanks was around Roger/Primebeard
He would be able to beat or do better than Oden vs Kaido... he didn't.

Kaido is not >Oden. Otherwise he would not put him there next to others like WB, Shanks and Roger. He only won because of the hag.

If Kaido was stronger than Shanks he would have appeared at MF not Shanks.

In any case, Shanks>BM in Kaido's mind :cheers:

The more you downplay Shanks, the more you downplay LinLin

 

[Extravlad]

Rocks D. Xebec is also at the bottom while he is Kaido-WB-BM's superior? Just incorrect.

Xebec was older and none of them were in their prime

Prime WB>Xebec

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

Kaido is not >Oden. Otherwise he would not put him there next to others like WB, Shanks and Roger. He only won because of the hag.

it was life or death, kaido didn't even use the so called "his strongest form" which is human form

In any case, Shanks>BM in Kaido's mind :cheers:

I had meme above shanks but now shanks is my 2nd strongest bb is first

Shanks

never forget the more you hype up shanks the more you upplay the admirals

 

[uyuu]

Xebec was older and none of them were in their prime

Prime WB>Xebec

Is that why Sengoku said Xebec is Roger's strongest rival/enemy? I dont see the point of this thread other than to downplay Shanks. This style of debate or thread really doesnt help other than to worsen things in the forum.

 

[Seraphoenix]

Xebec was older and none of them were in their prime

Prime WB>Xebec

Xebec was Roger's strongest rival. He was stronger than WB. Your boy Sengoku, who you think is Oda incarnate, said so.

it was life or death, kaido didn't even use the so called "his strongest form" which is human form

If Kaido really thought Oden was below him, he wouldn't put him among the people who can compete with him.

I had meme above shanks but now shanks is my 2nd strongest bb is first

3 fruit BB, not 2.

never forget the more you hype up shanks the more you upplay the admirals

wait, what?

 

[Extravlad]

Is that why Sengoku said Xebec is Roger's strongest rival/enemy? I dont see the point of this thread other than to downplay Shanks. This style of debate or thread really doesnt help other than to worsen things in the forum.

He said greatest not strongest.
A guy that was a D trying to take over the world.
No shit
Also Roger never beat WB while he beat Rock

WB and Roger have the 2 highest bounties in Pirate histort confirmed

WB and Roger are at the top of the ceiling, Rocks is below that

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

If Kaido really thought Oden was below him, he wouldn't put him among the people who can compete with him.

if oda ain't formalize on it, than its headcannon to think thats his top 5 wait in 2 weeks for it to be confirmed

not

databooks already said he had the 2 strongest fruits, if WB beat kaido with gura (like you assume in kaidos mind) what makes you think bb with yami literally can't , + who taught bugress that advancement of CoA in that timeskip hmmm... (headcannon, for now)
BB stronger than shanks end of story

 

[Extravlad]

Xebec was Roger's strongest rival. He was stronger than WB. Your boy Sengoku, who you think is Oda incarnate, said so.

Greatest=/=strongest
Perhaps=/= definitely
Roger never beat WB, but he beat Rocks.
WB is at the top of the ceiling, Rocks is down below with Shanks and Oden.

 

[Seraphoenix]

if oda ain't formalize on it, than its headcannon to think thats his top 5 wait in 2 weeks for it to be confirmed

What do you mean if he didn't formalize it? That's his top 5. That's who he views as the absolute top in terms of fighters who can compete with him.

databooks already said he had the 2 strongest fruits, if WB beat kaido with gura (like you assume in kaidos mind) what makes you think bb with yami literally can't , + who taught bugress that advancement of CoA in that timeskip hmmm... (headcannon, for now)
BB stronger than shanks end of story

Fights are more than just DFs otherwise Enel would be Admiral level.

No end of story. Prove it. BB hasn't even attempted to take on any of the Yonko yet.

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

strongest

if we're going by that logic....

(1.WB(replaced by BB, 2.Shanks
3. BM, 4. Kaido

 

[Extravlad]

Shanks>BB.

Oda will draw BB surpassing Shanks on panel, he won't come out and already be the strongest imo.

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if we're going by that logic....

(1.WB(replaced by BB, 2.Shanks
3. BM, 4. Kaido

Are you guys ignoring the word CEILING on purpose?

Also BM/Kaido are at the bottom because they're not established characters back then, we don't even know their names

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

What do you mean if he didn't formalize it? That's his top 5. That's who he views as the absolute top in terms of fighters who can compete with him.

no it isn't where did he say it was his top 5, wheres shiki, big meme? its seems like its just those are were at the one piece or close to it, which kaido wants too

Fights are more than just DFs otherwise Enel would be Admiral level.

BB stalemated, sengoku and garp after getting the gura gura no mi, thats enough feats for me sheezh

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Also BM/Kaido are at the bottom because they're not established characters back then, we don't even know their names

nope , oda already knew what direction was going, and the yonkous oh well oldbeard was still really the strongest

 

[uyuu]

He said greatest not strongest.
A guy that was a D trying to take over the world.
No shit
Also Roger never beat WB while he beat Rock

WB and Roger have the 2 highest bounties in Pirate histort confirmed

WB and Roger are at the top of the ceiling, Rocks is below that

So Xebec is below WB but WB is Xebec's subordinate? Isnt that your wishful thinking? Since those "greatest not strongest" figures are the only ones in the world capable of fighting Kaidou apparently.

If you want to downplay those scenes just for the sake of downplaying, its not surprising iff Mihawk's WSS titles would be downplayed as well by other fandom.

 

[Extravlad]

So Xebec is below WB but WB is Xebec's subordinate? Isnt that your wishful thinking? Since those "greatest not strongest" figures are the only ones in the world capable of fighting Kaidou apparently.

Are you a troll?
We have direct confirmation that WB was not in his prime when he was under Xebec.
He entered his prime 2 years after the end of Rocks.
WB surpassed Rocks and was Roger's equal.
Rocks got put out of his misery by Roger.

If you want to downplay those scenes just for the sake of downplaying, its not surprising iff Mihawk's WSS titles would be downplayed as well by other fandom.

Who's downplaying anything? The scene you refer to straight up tells you Roger and WB have the 2 highest bounties in pirate history

 

[GreenEggsAHam]

Are you a troll?
We have direct confirmation that WB was not in his prime when he was under Xebec

wasnt rocks rodger most formidable rival tho, also japanese is right to left so basically if we want to go by that oda did
WB>Rodger

 

[Seraphoenix]

Greatest=/=strongest
Perhaps=/= definitely
Roger never beat WB, but he beat Rocks.
WB is at the top of the ceiling, Rocks is down below with Shanks and Oden.

The word ceiling does not appear in the raw first of all. Second, Shanks is the central figure there, if we want to analyse it artistically. Nearly all the lines converge on him.

Also, in the anime that just came out they say strongest.

no it isn't where did he say it was his top 5, wheres shiki, big meme? its seems like its just those are were at the one piece or close to it, which kaido wants too

They are not there because they can't compete, period. Readjust your tier list.

BB stalemated, sengoku and garp after getting the gura gura no mi, thats enough feats for me sheezh

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nope , oda already knew what direction was going, and the yonkous oh well oldbeard was still really the strongest

He stalemated old people who were never on Shanks' level in their prime. So what is your point?