Powers & Abilities Shiryu is the Second Strongest Blackbeard Pirate… According to Eiichiro Oda

ImmaIvanoM

ImmaIvanoM

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Franosuke

Franosuke

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The color-spread wouldn't have made any sense if Kuzan was on it, because this was before we knew for a fact that he was on the crew.

Prior to this, we only had rumors that he was working with Teach.

Besides, if Shiryu > Kuzan and Shiryu is Zoro's opponent while Teach is Luffy's opponent, who the hell is fighting Kuzan? Sorry Sanjibros, but we all know it ain't gonna be him. We're talking about the guy who's equal to one of Luffy's likely final opponents (Sakazuki).
 
Durableguy

Durableguy

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Franosuke said:
The color-spread wouldn't have made any sense if Kuzan was on it, because this was before we knew for a fact that he was on the crew.

Prior to this, we only had rumors that he was working with Teach.

Besides, if Shiryu > Kuzan and Shiryu is Zoro's opponent while Teach is Luffy's opponent, who the hell is fighting Kuzan? Sorry Sanjibros, but we all know it ain't gonna be him. We're talking about the guy who's equal to one of Luffy's likely final opponents (Sakazuki).
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Rumors? No. Burgess is literally shown talking about Kuzan. Why would Blackbeard and debate his trustworthiness unless he were part of the crew? It was confirmed a decade back.
 
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JoNdule

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Paperchampion23 said:
But Aokiji and Akainu are not equal. Akainu won the fight lol

Watch, I guarantee you all this powerscaling talk is arbitrary. Its always based on story progression:

- BM herself is relative to Kaido, but has Weakest Commanders by virtue of their bounties (yeah yeah, something something bounties arent a determining factor, yet we all use it and dont when we want to)

- Kaido is relative to BM, but slightly stronger commanders by virtue of bounties and later plot relevancy

- Kizaru is probably relative to Kaido and BM, by virtue of being likely this arcs villain dor Luffy. He's not "YC" level when scaling to BM and Kaido's YCs. If he's relative Aokiji, then by virtue this means Blackbeard obviously is stronger than what is coming before (BM, Kaido, Kizaru)

- Blackbeard and Shanks are probably "more" relative to each other with stronger commanders than their counterparts (BM/Kaido) and are higher than BM/Kaido because hey hey, this is a shonen and thats how progression works. They probably WILL scale higher than shown Admirals (Aokiji, Kizaru, Fuji, Ryo), and Shiryu and Beckman in the least are relative to them, perhaps at bit stronger because of endgame scaling.

- Akainu probably also is relative to BB and Shanks. He defeated Aokiji and hes not "just" an Admiral. Depending on "when" Akainu is fought, and "if" Zoro and Sanji fight Fuji and Ryo, then these 2 may or may not be stronger than Shiryu and Beckman at least.

This is just frankly how the scaling will work in the end. If Luffy faces Kizaru, you know how the argument will go. If BB is after that and Zoro faces Shiryu while someone else fights Aokiji, then this becomes even more obvious. If then they fight Akainu, Fuji and Ryo after that, same deal. Wherever Shanks falls within this mess (whether or not its by Luffy or Blackbeard) will scale him properly.

The definition of YC is not the same for Blackbeard/Shanks as it is for BM and Kaido. The line between Admiral and Yonko is absolutely blurred. Some are weaker. Some are stronger, and it will depend where and when they are used.

This isnt even getting into the whole Kong/Gorosei/Im conversation, because we dont even know if they are powerful yet or as broken as people potentially think they are.

Guaranteed the whole concept of titles and known powerscaling is going in the garbage after Egghead. Watch.
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BM doesn't have weaker commanders lol
If so Jack wouldn't be relative to Perospero, And King would be having CoC , adhaki etc...
You don't use YCs bounties to compare them
They're not from same crew

They're not captains too

Shanks isn't above BM and Kaido
Teach isn't above them yet

Slow down your wank
 
Zolo

Zolo

Cope Doctor
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JoNdule said:
BM doesn't have weaker commanders lol
If so Jack wouldn't be relative to Perospero, And King would be having CoC , adhaki etc...
You don't use YCs bounties to compare them
They're not from same crew

They're not captains too

Shanks isn't above BM and Kaido
Teach isn't above them yet

Slow down your wank
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Tell them how it is. BB is like Luffy hes only getting stronger like rest
 
Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

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Paperchampion23 said:
But Aokiji and Akainu are not equal. Akainu won the fight lol

Watch, I guarantee you all this powerscaling talk is arbitrary. Its always based on story progression:

- BM herself is relative to Kaido, but has Weakest Commanders by virtue of their bounties (yeah yeah, something something bounties arent a determining factor, yet we all use it and dont when we want to)

- Kaido is relative to BM, but slightly stronger commanders by virtue of bounties and later plot relevancy

- Kizaru is probably relative to Kaido and BM, by virtue of being likely this arcs villain dor Luffy. He's not "YC" level when scaling to BM and Kaido's YCs. If he's relative Aokiji, then by virtue this means Blackbeard obviously is stronger than what is coming before (BM, Kaido, Kizaru)

- Blackbeard and Shanks are probably "more" relative to each other with stronger commanders than their counterparts (BM/Kaido) and are higher than BM/Kaido because hey hey, this is a shonen and thats how progression works. They probably WILL scale higher than shown Admirals (Aokiji, Kizaru, Fuji, Ryo), and Shiryu and Beckman in the least are relative to them, perhaps at bit stronger because of endgame scaling.

- Akainu probably also is relative to BB and Shanks. He defeated Aokiji and hes not "just" an Admiral. Depending on "when" Akainu is fought, and "if" Zoro and Sanji fight Fuji and Ryo, then these 2 may or may not be stronger than Shiryu and Beckman at least.

This is just frankly how the scaling will work in the end. If Luffy faces Kizaru, you know how the argument will go. If BB is after that and Zoro faces Shiryu while someone else fights Aokiji, then this becomes even more obvious. If then they fight Akainu, Fuji and Ryo after that, same deal. Wherever Shanks falls within this mess (whether or not its by Luffy or Blackbeard) will scale him properly.

The definition of YC is not the same for Blackbeard/Shanks as it is for BM and Kaido. The line between Admiral and Yonko is absolutely blurred. Some are weaker. Some are stronger, and it will depend where and when they are used.

This isnt even getting into the whole Kong/Gorosei/Im conversation, because we dont even know if they are powerful yet or as broken as people potentially think they are.

Guaranteed the whole concept of titles and known powerscaling is going in the garbage after Egghead. Watch.
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..And what if Kizaru fights Zoro instead?
 
Paperchampion23

Paperchampion23

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JoNdule said:
BM doesn't have weaker commanders lol
If so Jack wouldn't be relative to Perospero, And King would be having CoC , adhaki etc...
You don't use YCs bounties to compare them
They're not from same crew

They're not captains too

Shanks isn't above BM and Kaido
Teach isn't above them yet

Slow down your wank
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How am i wanking anyone when Im saying BB and Akainu are likely relative to Shanks lmao. Stop
 
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