General & Others Skirmishes disguised as fights

[lee33]

There are no fights in One Piece but instead they are just skirmishes where nothing relevant happens. BB went to Amazon Lily so he can kidnap Hancock so instead he kidnaps Koby, then ends up having a skirmish with Law where Law escaped and now Koby is on the verge of escape too, like what kind of ADHD story line is this? Just random story lines.

Just in the past 25 chapters:

• Greenbull vs Wano ---> Greenbull ran away, where nothing relevant happened other than an advertisement for a movie.
• CP9 vs Strawhats ---> The fight occurred so that CP9 can join forces with Strawhats against seraphim, where nothing relevant happened.
• CP9 and Strawhats vs Seraphim ---> Seraphim got blown away, nothing relevant happened
• BB vs Amazon Lilly ---> BB ran away from Rayleigh and captured Koby where Koby is on the verge of escape.
• Law vs BB ---> Law escaped, nothing relevant happened.
• BB pirates vs Garp ---> nothing relevant is going to happen

Let us compare a skirmish to a different manga where things actually happened and not just random ADHD skirmishes just for the sake of having a skirmishes:

• Itachi and Kisame vs Team Guy and Team Kakashi ---> A skirmish occurred where Itachi and Kisame delayed them enough where Garaa ended up dying.

You see the difference? Things actually happen in other mangas, whereas in One Piece nothing relevant happens, just ADHD writing. The amount of skirmishes in One Piece is blasphemy.

EDIT: And yet I was right again. Hancock nothing happened, Law nothing happened, Koby nothing happened, and Garp nothing is going to happen. Such shit writing. But hey Koby smashed a rock, so cool.

 

[Moegara]

An unsurprisingly stupid take.

 

[Mackiss]

If nothing happens with Garp vs BB pirates then you're definitely right

 

[soheilhazrat]

An unsurprisingly stupid take.

How is this stupid take?

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Don't wanna defend OP but,

GB vs Wano --> GB defeating Wano alliance would be poor writing in power scaling. So Oda has to make Shanks and his gang interfering. Nothing relevant results from that I agree.

CP0 vs Strawhats --> Luffy and Zoro vs Lucci and Kaku are just fanservice I agree, but their Awakening got showcased.

CP0 and Strawhats vs Seraphims --> It's definitely stalling/PIS involved, it's bullshit that Luffy and Zoro didn't use Adv CoC against Seraphims yet.

BB vs Amazon Lily --> BB didn't get Hancock's fruit like he was intended to but he kidnapped Coby which he will use him for bargain chip against the WG.

Law vs BB --> Law escapes with Bepo (PIS) but Teach got Law's Red Poneglyph copies as the result.

Garp vs Hachinosu --> We can't speculate if nothing relevant is gonna happen or not, it's better to wait to see the results.

 

[Moegara]

How is this stupid take?

- He cherrypicked random non-main fights from One Piece and compared them to two cherrypicked fights (which were actually the same moment) in Naruto.
- He thought the consequence of "they were late because of that fight" is a big consequence (when it's not even necessary, as they could have been late without any excuse if Kishi simply wished is so. Certainly no one died and they weren't even fighting the real Itachi or Kisame, so there were absolutely no consequences from those fights).
- But he thought the consequence of "Yamato realized she must stay and defend Wano because the Scabbards and Momonosuke are not stronge enough, and thus she didn't join the straw hats like she planned to" is not a consequence worth noting... right after the above point.
- He presented as facts that "Straw Hats vs Seraphims" and "Garp vs the BB Pirates" didnt have any consequences... when the fights are still ongoing, thus straight up making up points.
- He presented as fact that Blackbeard kidnapping Koby is of no consequence, when it led directly to the current Garp fight, in which it's very likely he will die.
- It's not even a good point that "Oh, there was a fight in a shonen that didn't have any consequences!" even if he had brought up good points, which he didn't.

So how is this not a stupid take?

 

[BerserkerLord3000]

With one piece all you need is aura, 1 move, clash or one shot to get the fanbase hype. I almost burst out laughing by how underwhelming the fight between garp vs bb pirates is so far.

 

[IsaziSempi]

Somebody said long time ago one piece isn't read for the fights and I disagreed. Well nowadays I don't know what it's read for. Hitman reborn had a more engaging plot.

 

[Herrera95]

CP9 vs Strawhats ---> The fight occurred so that CP9 can join forces with Strawhats against seraphim, where nothing relevant happened.

It allowed Stussy to show her true identity by knocking out Kaku and Lucci.

CP9 and Strawhats vs Seraphim ---> Seraphim got blown away, nothing relevant happened

Fight is still happening WTF are you talking about? And they are delaying Strawhats preventing them to rescue Vegapunk and escape so
100 navy ships fleet with Admiral Kizaru gets there.

BB vs Amazon Lilly ---> BB ran away from Rayleigh and captured Koby where Koby is on the verge of escape.

Teach aimed for Boa's DF but couldn't get it. Instead he got Coby trying to change him in order to make his island a recognized Kingdom part of World Governament. Part of Teach's plan. If not possible he would still be able to make 500mi bellies with him.

Law vs BB ---> Law escaped, nothing relevant happened.

Teach was aiming Red Poneglyphs. We still don't know if Law fully escaped.

BB pirates vs Garp ---> nothing relevant is going to happen

Garp is aiming to save everybody while Teach's crew is showing their power by killing Garp and possibly all others who escaped too. The event didn't end yet too.

Very bad thread.

 

[York]

The average lee33 thread is a skirmish where nothing relevant happens

 

[AlmightyGunther43]

He has a point. ADHD is real.

Tell me people laughing like Fuwehahahahaha and Zehahahahahaha all the time don't have ADHD.

All major plot points involve mfs doing this.

 

[lee33]

- He cherrypicked random non-main fights from One Piece and compared them to two cherrypicked fights (which were actually the same moment) in Naruto.

Pick ANY fight you want in Naruto, HxH, AOT, FMA, any fights in those mangas.

Cherry picked? I literally mentioned the last 25 chapters. And obviously I am not going to include main fights, Einstein. Main fights wasn't the point of my thread. Kaido vs Luffy wasn't the point of my thread. Zoro vs King wasn't the point of my thread. etc.

He thought the consequence of "they were late because of that fight" is a big consequence (when it's not even necessary, as they could have been late without any excuse if Kishi simply wished is so. Certainly no one died and they weren't even fighting the real Itachi or Kisame, so there were absolutely no consequences from those fights).

Huh? The point of Itachi/Kisame skirmish was to delay the hidden leaf ninjas which in turn gave them enough time to extract the one tail.

But he thought the consequence of "Yamato realized she must stay and defend Wano because the Scabbards and Momonosuke are not stronge enough, and thus she didn't join the straw hats like she planned to" is not a consequence worth noting... right after the above point.

Yamato staying in Wano is a whole different thread of how pointless that character was which I am not going to touch here. By your claim Oda's genius writing is to have Greenbull show up to prove how weak the scabbards are where Kaido literally was ruling their country for 20+ years? So you have a major villain show up so he can run away just to prove the Scabbards are weak so that we can have Yamato contradict 50+ chapters of her set up joining the strawhats? That is the consequence of having Greenbull show up? That is what you consider consequences? Man One Piece fans have some low standards. Now compare that to Gara dying. Like I said before, ADHD random writing.

- He presented as facts that "Straw Hats vs Seraphims" and "Garp vs the BB Pirates" didnt have any consequences... when the fights are still ongoing, thus straight up making up points.

So when the fight concludes, and nothing happens, I bet you are going to sit here again and make up another excuse to defend this weak crap writing.

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If nothing happens with Garp vs BB pirates then you're definitely right

This will be the litmus test of my thread, if I am right or wrong. If nothing relevant happens with Garp vs BB then I am 100% right. If Garp/Koby escape then it is beyond shit writing.

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It allowed Stussy to show her true identity by knocking out Kaku and Lucci.

So that is your consequence of having that fight? So that we can have a filler character betray CP9 in year number 25 of One Piece? A skirmish in Naruto led to someone dying, and you are responding back to me saying, "The fight was needed because we need this filler character to betray Cp9". Like you guys standards are so low, it's hilarious.

 

[Moegara]

Cherry picked? I literally mentioned the last 25 chapters. And obviously I am not going to include main fights, Einstein. Main fights wasn't the point of my thread. Kaido vs Luffy wasn't the point of my thread. Zoro vs King wasn't the point of my thread. etc.

Cherry picked, because the last 25 chapters have been very out of the ordinary, Newton. Main fights weren't the point of your thread because you cherrypicked these other fights, you deny my point and immediately concede it without even noticing.

Huh? The point of Itachi/Kisame skirmish was to delay the hidden leaf ninja which in turn gave them enough time to extract the one tail.

Which I addressed in what you're quoting. A very pointless "consequence" the fights weren't even needed for.

And also literally the same consequence the current Seraphims fight will have. The straw hats not having enough time to get away from Egghead before Kizaru and Saturn arrive.

Could this be achieved by the plot without the Seraphim fights just by the plot making Kizaru arrive faster? Yes, just like the 1 tail being extracted before the good guys found him could be written into the plot without the nerfed Kisame and Itachi fights in which nothing happened.

Speaking of which, what about Lee's team fighting their douple gangers "to open the seal"? Most pointless fight in the entire history of shounen.

Yamato staying in Wano is a whole different thread of how pointless that character was which I am not going to touch here. By your claim Oda's genius writing is to have Greenbull show up to prove how weak the scabbards are where Kaido literally was ruling their country for 20+ years? So you have a major villain show up so he can run away just to prove the Scabbards are weak so that we can have Yamato contradict 50+ chapters of her set up joining the strawhats? That is the consequence of having Greenbull show up? That is what you consider consequences? Man One Piece fans have some low standards. Now compare that to Gara dying. Like I said before, ADHD random writing.

That is a literal consequence, whether you like it or not. It's a more direct consequence than Gaara dying, because Yamato's change of mind came directly from the Greenbull scene, while the Konoha shinobi not making it in time could be achieved without the Kisame and Itachi fights.

Objectively, those fights were more pointless than the Greenbull scene, and I'm not even hating on them, I'm just tearing up your hypocritical logic.

So when the fight concludes, and nothing happens, I bet you are going to sit here again and make up another excuse to defend this weak crap writing.

I'll be waiting to see you cry about how you don't like them anyway regardless of consequences.

One Piece isn't perfect, but your points are stupid. It's far too obvious you just want to hate it, and I keep wondering why you bother reading it.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Even the Amazon Lily stuff had relevance.
It showed off the new Seraphim, Hancock and BB's new bounties, and also kickstarted the plot point of Koby being captured and Garp coming to save him.
Before you say "But there weren't any consequences!", Hancock almost got her neck crushed and Garp is very likely going to be captured or killed here to save Koby.
And even IF Garp and Koby BOTH live somehow, it'd still count as a consequence for BB since it would be a major loss on his behalf and he would never become the king of the island, while humiliating his crew as well.
Also you're insane if you think there won't be any consequences on Egghead with an entire naval fleet headed towards the island with an Admiral and Gorosei on board.
Soon enough the Seraphim will be defeated and the real fight will begin with Kizaru.
No matter the outcome, there will be huge consequences from the battles.

 

[Etzel Andergast]

random lee33 L

 

[lee33]

Cherry picked, because the last 25 chapters have been very out of the ordinary, Newton. Main fights weren't the point of your thread because you cherrypicked these other fights, you deny my point and immediately concede it without even noticing.

You want me to pick skirmishes from the past 500 chapters then? Law, Luffy, Franky, smoker, tashagi being captured by Ceaser in Punkhazard so that Franky can just fart his way out and Law magically having the key just because. I can sit here all day and showcase all the pointless skirmishes in One Piece.

Which I addressed in what you're quoting. A very pointless "consequence" the fights weren't even needed for.

You do know how story works right? When an author decides to create a subplot, it better have a purpose and lead to somewhere. The subplot occurred, whether you think that subplot was needed or not isn't the point of my thread. The point of my thread is to showcase the consequences of those subplots.

And also literally the same consequence the current Seraphims fight will have. The straw hats not having enough time to get away from Egghead before Kizaru and Saturn arrive.

Could this be achieved by the plot without the Seraphim fights just by the plot making Kizaru arrive faster? Yes, just like the 1 tail being extracted before the good guys found him could be written into the plot without the nerfed Kisame and Itachi fights in which nothing happened.

Speaking of which, what about Lee's team fighting their douple gangers "to open the seal"? Most pointless fight in the entire history of shounen.

Again, you don't understand the point of my thread. I will say it one more time. The point of my thread is NOT about whether a certain subplot was needed, instead it is the consequences of that subplot.

That is a literal consequence, whether you like it or not. It's a more direct consequence than Gaara dying, because Yamato's change of mind came directly from the Greenbull scene, while the Konoha shinobi not making it in time could be achieved without the Kisame and Itachi fights.

Dude, you can't be serious. Your replies are ADHD. Do you even understand the point of my thread?

Objectively, those fights were more pointless than the Greenbull scene, and I'm not even hating on them, I'm just tearing up your hypocritical logic.

I am done, I can't take you seriously anymore. Greenbull scene is objectively more needed to advertise a movie than seeing a major character dying. Gotcha. Only One Piece fans can say something this ridiculous. We needed Yamato to learn that the Scabbards are weak through Greenbull where that thought never occurred to her for 50+ chapters when Kaido was laying waste to everyone in Wano for 20+ years. Gotcha.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Dude, you can't be serious. Your replies are ADHD. Do you even understand the point of my thread?

As someone with ADHD I'd appreciate it if you didn't flanderize it with retarded comments like this

 

[Moegara]

You want me to pick skirmishes from the past 500 chapters then? Law, Luffy, Franky, smoker, tashagi being captured by Ceaser in Punkhazard so that Franky can just fart his way out and Law magically having the key just because. I can sit here all day and showcase all the pointless skirmishes in One Piece.



You do know how story works right? When an author decides to create a subplot, it better have a purpose and lead to somewhere. The subplot occurred, whether you think that subplot was needed or not isn't the point of my thread. The point of my thread is to showcase the consequences of those subplots.



Again, you don't understand the point of my thread. I will say it one more time. The point of my thread is NOT about whether a certain subplot was needed, instead it is the consequences of that subplot.



Dude, you can't be serious. Your replies are ADHD. Do you even understand the point of my thread?



I am done, I can't take you seriously anymore. Greenbull scene is objectively more needed to advertise a movie than seeing a major character dying. Gotcha. Only One Piece fans can say something this ridiculous. We needed Yamato to learn that the Scabbards are weak through Greenbull where that thought never occurred to her for 50+ chapters when Kaido laying waste to everyone in Wano for 20+ years. Gotcha.

The way you read my comments makes me understand how you could possibly have read One Piece so poorly. I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention to bully you.

 

[lee33]

The way you read my comments makes me understand how you could possibly have read One Piece so poorly. I'm sorry, it wasn't my intention to bully you.

Yep Franky farting his way out is considered a consequence to a One Piece fan. Gotta love it man. Waste the reader's time with Ceaser capturing the strawhats so that the consequence of it is to have Law magically have the keys and Franky farts his way out. And I am the one that is cherry picking.

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Gaara died? Lol, he was revived 2 minutes after his death, so in the end the Naruto's skirmish you took as an example had no purpose either.