Powers & Abilities So does everyone agree Enma not a power up now.

[Finalbeta]

How comparing Rayleigh to Enma make sense for you ?

Because claiming that Enma is a power up despite just a training tool with less AP than Shusui is implying that Rayleigh was also a training tool hence power up. Only change in that he is a living being.

 

[Zenos7]

Unless you can call a 2 panels training a PowerUp.

the training could even be 0 panels lmfao, it doesnt matter.

If it happens, it happens. Zoro said once he gets used to it, he will be stronger. He doesnt say he is immediately stronger after getting it.

And whether he gets used to it via training on panel, training off panel, fighting with enma on panel, fighting with enma off panel, eventually he will get used to it and be stronger.

I gave you all the answers tho.
You literally have a panel of Zoro saying that process of getting used to it might make him stronger. Do you disagree with that panel or what is the source of your confusion?

Arguing for the sake of arguing i guess. Or just trolling lmfao

 

[Camie]

Of course its a powerup. Zoro still needs to learn how to use it to its full potential and has time to make it into a black blade. I dont understand why its considered bad to say that? Sanji got a powerup too. All the SHs need powerups to compete with the Beast Pirates.

 

[bennbeckman]

We're still going on about this argument lol

 

[nik87]

Of course its a powerup. Zoro still needs to learn how to use it to its full potential and has time to make it into a black blade. I dont understand why its considered bad to say that? Sanji got a powerup too. All the SHs need powerups to compete with the Beast Pirates.

What does that power-up do for Zoro?

 

[Enma]

Of course its a powerup. Zoro still needs to learn how to use it to its full potential and has time to make it into a black blade. I dont understand why its considered bad to say that? Sanji got a powerup too. All the SHs need powerups to compete with the Beast Pirates.

Enma itself is not a power-up, better CoA is

 

[bennbeckman]

Enma itself is not a power-up, better CoA is

Hit the nail on the head

 

[Finalbeta]

Enma itself is not a power-up, better CoA is

Pretty much, and Oda wouldn't let Zoro train his haki like that if his leitmotiv wasn't "advanced" :cheers:

 

[M944]

I gave you all the answers tho.
You literally have a panel of Zoro saying that process of getting used to it might make him stronger. Do you disagree with that panel or what is the source of your confusion?

I never said being used doesn't make him stronger. Just quote where I said that.

I said staging/built-up doesn't let any doubt on Enma. It's a PowerUp.
Until now no one was able to show me a similar built-up for a training tool.
The built-up for Enma is the one for PowerUp and not for training tool.
Therefore Enma is a PowerUp.
Unless you can prove a training tool as the same built-up.
In this case I will agree that Enma is a training tool.

Because claiming that Enma is a power up despite just a training tool with less AP than Shusui is implying that Rayleigh was also a training tool hence power up. Only change in that he is a living being.

Rayleigh is a mentor like Mihawk for Zoro, Garp for Koby, Jiraya for Naruto, Genkai for Yusuke and so on. Those people are hyped to be great fighters. And because they are great fighters they are teachers.
They aren't the PowerUp or the training tool.
Enma is built-up to be a Powerful Sword.
Rayleigh

An exemaple : When Rayleigh teach CoO to luffy. Luffy have a bandage on his eyes.
Is this bandage built-up to be a Power-Up ?

the training could even be 0 panels lmfao, it doesnt matter

You dont read manga thats why it doesnt matter for you. It's not a big deal. I understand. Maybe you will read more manga and understand their codes.

If it happens, it happens. Zoro said once he gets used to it, he will be stronger. He doesnt say he is immediately stronger after getting it.

Have you seen Nami said I'm powerful after she received Zeus ? No.
Is Nami stronger ? Yes.
How do we know ? Built-up and shonen codes.

And whether he gets used to it via training on panel, training off panel, fighting with enma on panel, fighting with enma off panel, eventually he will get used to it and be stronger.

So Oda has so much time to lose that he takes 3 chapter to introduce a training tool but only two panel for the actual training.
This seems really logical.

We talk about Oda someone who offscreen fights because he dont want to lose time on them.
But still losing 3 chapter for a training tool. Something he never did.
Even worse he doesnt care about the training.

Wake Up please this situation is ridiculous.

 

[Zenos7]

You dont read manga thats why it doesnt matter for you. It's not a big deal. I understand. Maybe you will read more manga and understand their codes.

so disingenuously misrepresenting my arguments is all you can do?

Have you seen Nami said I'm powerful after she received Zeus ? No.
Is Nami stronger ? Yes.
How do we know ? Built-up and shonen codes.

Have you seen zoro explicitly say he will be stronger after getting accustomed to enma? YES!

Is your comparison therefore stupid and irrelevant? YES!

So Oda has so much time to lose that he takes 3 chapter to introduce a training tool but only two panel for the actual training.
This seems really logical.

We talk about Oda someone who offscreen fights because he dont want to lose time on them.
But still losing 3 chapter for a training tool. Something he never did.
Even worse he doesnt care about the training.

Wake Up please this situation is ridiculous.

 

[MonsterZoro]

Zoro with trash sword vs Fodder

Yeah okay enma isnt a power up

 

[Zenos7]

Zoro with trash sword vs Fodder

Yeah okay enma isnt a power up

• non-canon manga filler
• enma is not replacing a trash sword but shusui

Next level lazy argumentation

 

[MonsterZoro]

• non-canon manga filler
• enma is not replacing a trash sword but shusui

Next level lazy argumentation

Anime is cannon

 

[nik87]

I said staging/built-up doesn't let any doubt on Enma. It's a PowerUp.

Unless you can prove a training tool as the same built-up.

I mean you literally saw Zoro say that the process of getting used to Enma might make him stronger and you are still confused.
You will have to post some proof that Enma is a power-up because I dont see it and manga doesnt show it. You got anything?

 

[M944]

Have you seen zoro explicitly say he will be stronger after getting accustomed to enma? YES!

Is your comparison therefore stupid and irrelevant? YES!

Avoiding every questions as ever.
I have seen Nami being confident after she learns how to control climat tact. I also seen Ussop telling to Nami to practice with the Climat tact 2.0.
Is climat tact a PowerUp ? Or training is the PowerUp.
So same situation

http://imgur.com/6gtuvn1

http://imgur.com/cYxmOEm

 

[MonsterZoro]

I mean you literally saw Zoro say that the process of getting used to Enma might make him stronger and you are still confused.
You will have to post some proof that Enma is a power-up because I dont see it and manga doesnt show it. You got anything?

hey man how is your day

 

[Luffy is the mc]

Enma itself is not a power-up, better CoA is

I would say a better mastery over CoA. The difference is small but there is one.

 

[nik87]

hey man how is your day

How's my favorite Sanji fan?

 

[M944]

I mean you literally saw Zoro say that the process of getting used to Enma might make him stronger and you are still confused.
You will have to post some proof that Enma is a power-up because I dont see it and manga doesnt show it. You got anything?

I posted a lot of proof you just avoid them.

 

[MonsterZoro]

How come enma is nota power up but raid suit is?

You guy say that enma only gives Zoro what he can already do but the raid suit also gives Sanji what he can already do..