Powers & Abilities So how come Zoro is not a hakiman?

[Moegara]

False equivalence, and you didn't tie it to the second sentence for context.

X can have singing skills and acting skills. But because X's singing skills is better than the acting skill, then X would be Singer first, Actor second.

In regard to the discussion of this topic as a whole,

- A can have Haki skills and Swordsmanship skills, but because A's Haki skills is better/stronger/more prevalent/whatever, then A is "Hakiman" first and "Swordsman" second.
- B can have Haki skills and Swordsmanship skills, but because A's sword skills is better/stronger/more prevalent/whatever, then A is "Swordsman" first and "Hakiman" second.

So,
- Ariana is a singer, who can act.
- Jackie Chan is an actor, who can sing.

And thus :
- Zoro is a Swordsman, who can use Haki <--- correct
- Zoro is a Hakiman, who can use sword <--- incorrect

Cool story, however:

I literally established Ari as an actress

There's no false equivalence: Shanks is a swordsman, just like Ariana is an actress.

You can say "But Shanks is more of a [X]", but: he's a swordsman, and it's not even a secondary thing to him, to Roger or to Rayleigh.
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It's all Mihawk Faults.
Zoro asked Him to make him the strongest Swordsman.
But instead of teaching him Sword skill , he started teaching him Haki.
Look where it got my Boy , he will never achieve his goal of Strongest Swordsman but will become strongest Hakiman now.

I can't wait for Zoro to not use KoH or even Asura against Mihawk because they are not sword skills.

Mihawk better not catch that marimo using CoO!

In fact, Mihawk won't defend his title using Yoru, you wouldn't want a duel for the WSS title to be stained by someone using a blade that became permanently black from haki.

 

[straightforward]

It's all Mihawk Faults.
Zoro asked Him to make him the strongest Swordsman.
But instead of teaching him Sword skill , he started teaching him Haki.
Look where it got my Boy , he will never achieve his goal of Strongest Swordsman but will become strongest Hakiman now.

mihawk was the ursula to zoro's ariel

 

[langitbarat]

Why my example betrays me? I literally established Ari as an actress, why I label her as "not an actress"?

Reading comprehension

Zoro is a lot more of a Hakiman than Luffy or Kaido tho
Arguably more than even Shanks

Why is that?

 

[RoronoaZorro]

Zoro is a lot more of a Hakiman than Luffy or Kaido tho

Arguably more than even Shanks

I disagree, because Luffy Kaido Shanks have 2/3 advanced Haki, more than Zoro.

What do you think?

Cool story, however:


There's no false equivalence: Shanks is a swordsman, just like Ariana is an actress.

You can say "But Shanks is more of a [X]", but: he's a swordsman, and it's not even a secondary thing to him, to Roger or to Rayleigh.
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I can't wait for Zoro to not use KoH or even Asura against Mihawk because they are not sword skills.

Mihawk better not catch that marimo using CoO!

In fact, Mihawk won't defend his title using Yoru, you wouldn't want a duel for the WSS title to be stained by someone using a blade that became permanently black from haki.

And I never say Shanks isn't a Swordsman.
It's just, in a discussion about Hakiman/Swordsman among the fandom, we categorize X as either of them.
Doesn't mean that they can't be both.

 

[mly90]

We have this line from Zori do we have something similar for the rat uttering his swords don't matter?

Unlike the rat marimo can actually back up his words as he has proven countless times

Meanwhile the snitch has never let go of his sword even once throughout the story when fighting

 

[ShishioIsBack]

I disagree, because Luffy Kaido Shanks have 2/3 advanced Haki, more than Zoro.

Zoro has all three
Internal Destruction
Advanced CoC
Future Sight
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Reading comprehension


Why is that?

He showed Internal Destruction all the way back in Fishman Island. Level 3 of CoA

Looks like one too but this is also internal destruction as SFX here is the same as internal destruction.
Those sfx on the left panel are the same as when Rayleigh and Luffy use internal destruction
Sounds of an object breaking internally.

Obviously, Translator already confirms it as some form of Energy, Force Field, or Barrier.
A normal barrier would simply shatter swords, but Zoro's Internal Destruction broke them internally.

 

[mly90]

 

[Vanlax]

Zoro needs to spawn 71 more limbs for Shanks' fan to consider him a hakiman.

 

[JoNdule]

Because he's weakest Conqueror user in canon sadly..
Even kaido wasn't sure if Zoro was using conqueror for how weak it is..

Zoro himself still now doesn't even know he has CoC
He is yet to use CoC To knock out fodders willingly

 

[Roo]

hakiman = using haki in ways more innovative than coating weapons with haki

obviously the people who think x character is a haki man assume said character has a variety of haki focuses abilities

 

[Rukusho]

The pinnacle of swordsmanship is haki.

A hakiman == swordsman. Your welcome.
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Zoro himself still now doesn't even know he has CoC
He is yet to use CoC To knock out fodders willingly

NDULE STOP IT.

How TF does he coat with it then? Why does he call himself a King if he's not aware that he has CoC? Why does he state it's fitting that the future WSS has CoC ????

 

[straightforward]

How TF does he coat with it then?

by instinct

Why does he call himself a King if he's not aware that he has CoC?

bc he's a pompous prick with a stick up his arse

Why does he state it's fitting that the future WSS has CoC ????

bc he's dumb and doesn't know any better

 

[Thaidakar]

hakiman = using haki in ways more innovative than coating weapons with haki

obviously the people who think x character is a haki man assume said character has a variety of haki focuses abilities

Such as

Sensing the souls/breaths of objects?

Or a reaction speed far superior than that regular CoO users, including the likes of Meme, ever presented?

(sidenote: here zoro outmaneuvers and outspeeds two confirmed future sight users)

Or a deadly aura originating from latent usage of CoC, which we rarely have seen done by other CoC users?

Or creating illusions or maybe even solid manifestations of will that almost certainly result from CoC?

Or doing the adv CoC no touching thingy only seen by yonkos kaido, meme, wb and also roger and garp?

Or mastering of CoC coating within a minute or even seconds, indicating a terrifying affinity for haki in general (just like luffy did)?

This is your average Haki user and swordsman haki user:

This is also your average swordsman with haki usage:

This, my dear man, is a hakiman that uses a sword better than any other user except a few ones in the world (for now):

 

[Ryuarashi]

Hakimen like Shanks and Roger doesn't cut their opponents, Zoro does.

 

[Zenos7]

How TF does he coat with it then? Why does he call himself a King if he's not aware that he has CoC? Why does he state it's fitting that the future WSS has CoC ????

noodle is a dishonest motherfucker who cant read properly. this is to be expected

 

[straightforward]

Such as

Sensing the souls/breaths of objects?

Or a reaction speed far superior than that regular CoO users, including the likes of Meme, ever presented?

(sidenote: here zoro outmaneuvers and outspeeds two confirmed future sight users)

Or a deadly aura originating from latent usage of CoC, which we rarely have seen done by other CoC users?

Or creating illusions or maybe even solid manifestations of will that almost certainly result from CoC?

Or doing the adv CoC no touching thingy only seen by yonkos kaido, meme, wb and also roger and garp?

Or mastering of CoC coating within a minute or even seconds, indicating a terrifying affinity for haki in general (just like luffy did)?

This is your average Haki user and swordsman haki user:

This is also your average swordsman with haki usage:

This, my dear man, is a hakiman that uses a sword better than any other user except a few ones in the world (for now):

speaking of vista - does he have haki?