Chapter Discussion So much for Straw Hats to beat the flying six

Rednick

Rednick

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kenedyfake said:
only the one who shines in this manga is Luffy 70% with his unbreakable role and the rest is with Zoro, the rest is all complete garbage. One Piece became a pathetic manga with TS.
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The whole fucking manga is about luffy. Aside from zoro who has a greater role in the story, the other straw hats are just support characters. Nami and usopp are also weak as fuck. If they were going to singlehandily defeat some tobi roppo, well that would be a plot hole.
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Jailer said:
You underestimate the future PK crew then, Oda pit Franky and Jinbei 1v1 against f6, guess that tells you nothing about Franky.

Shichibukai means nothing, their strength ranges all over the place, and now they don't even exists anymore, moot point bringing them up.
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Nami and usopp were always weak. Not all the straw hats will be powerhouses at the eos. Being a crewmember of the FUTURE pirate king doenst mean anything. Luffy, zoro, sanji and jinbei are much stronger than the rest.
 
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humanbeing

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Isaac Netero said:
Lol, Nami and Usopp are still beating a flying six :kata:
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yes this for sure they will be under stress till they awaken more power, Nami will get Zeus maybe even handed to her by BM herself to protect Tama. I can imagine BM tells Zeus to protect Tama , she doesn't need him anymore , she has Hera, who is more powerful and has the same power. so Nami will get her Hand on Zeus .
 
kenedyfake

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Rednick said:
The whole fucking manga is about luffy. Aside from zoro who has a greater role in the story, the other straw hats are just support characters. Nami and usopp are also weak as fuck. If they were going to singlehandily defeat some tobi roppo, well that would be a plot hole.
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Nami and usopp were always weak. Not all the straw hats will be powerhouses at the eos. Being a crewmember of the FUTURE pirate king doenst mean anything. Luffy, zoro, sanji and jinbei are much stronger than the rest.
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a fatal mistake, so one piece will never be detached from a basic shounen, in the same suit as Fairy Tail and others. Oda stuck to the most basic writing of the shounen.

what good is it to create countless characters and plots, if in the end, there will be nothing relevant of them on screen time? already asked that question? dressrossa and whole cake are failures. And Wano walks towards them.

this talk for future Pirate King and being a protagonist being used as an excuse

is the same litany that Naruto fans used, Naruto is going to be the Hokage and is the protagonist, so we defend all that garbage comes

Natsu will be the strongest dragon and is the protagonist, so we defend all shits

Ichigo is the protagonist and a full mutant mixed up from various races, so we defend

always the protagonist and his objective of him being used to defend bullshit.



luffy learned coc in 1 minute, he is on a par with Kaido, he took countless losses, but he always raises in the seiya style, it looks like he has a recovery from a Zoan Mytical

but everything is right, because he is the protagonist and future king of the pirates. lol
 
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sanjikun

sanjikun

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They're still beating them, just not solo'ing, which I'm perfectly fine with.

The only one that's bothering me is Franky soloing Sasaki without basic Haki. I'm not going to put Ulti/P1/Sasaki/BM over Trebol/Diamante unless Franky gets help. Only X-Drake and WW can even be put in the same sentence as Vergo/Pica, and still I have Vergo/Pica > X-Drake/WW.
 
Rednick

Rednick

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kenedyfake said:
a fatal mistake, so one piece will never be detached from a basic shounen, in the same suit as Fairy Tail and others. Oda stuck to the most basic writing of the shounen.

what good is it to create countless characters and plots, if in the end, there will be nothing relevant of them on screen time? already asked that question? dressrossa and whole cake are failures. And Wano walks towards them.

this talk for future Pirate King and being a protagonist being used as an excuse

is the same litany that Naruto fans used, Naruto is going to be the Hokage and is the protagonist, so we defend all that garbage comes

Natsu will be the strongest dragon and is the protagonist, so we defend all shits

Ichigo is the protagonist and a full mutant mixed up from various races, so we defend

always the protagonist and his objective of him being used to defend bullshit.



luffy learned coc in 1 minute, he is on a par with Kaido, he took countless losses, but he always raises in the seiya style, it looks like he has a recovery from a Zoan Mytical

but everything is right, because he is the protagonist and future king of the pirates. lol
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Oh plz support characters in one piece have much more screen time than other manga. Sanji, nami and brook were mvps in wci. Chopper, franky, robin will also get their shinning moment in this arc(franky vs sasaki, robin vs black maria, chopper antidote moment and who knows what else). Nami and usopp are just not strong enough. Maybe if she would get zeus, could prob deal some damage.

Luffy is a main shonen character so he will always be in a favorite position in comparison to other characters. You cant avoid that. The secret is the writer to diminish these plot conveniences as much as he can so that they dont look like plot holes. Maybe you forget how gear 2 and 3 came to be. Luffy lost in a fight and then few days later, out of nowhere learnt two new techniques and could match lucci in strength. Luffy was always like that, even before the timeskip so i cant see how wci and dressrossa are failures and not the previous arcs.

One piece has given much more screen time to support characters than the other manga you mentioned. I mean naruto is only abot naruto and sasuke. Fairy tail and bleach ended up being pure trash.
 
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Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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sanjikun said:
They're still beating them, just not solo'ing, which I'm perfectly fine with.

The only one that's bothering me is Franky soloing Sasaki without basic Haki. I'm not going to put Ulti/P1/Sasaki/BM over Trebol/Diamante unless Franky gets help. Only X-Drake and WW can even be put in the same sentence as Vergo/Pica, and still I have Vergo/Pica > X-Drake/WW.
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Franky will be getting help from denjiro.

Page One > Vergo > Pica btw. We see that Jinbe is not much stronger than whos who, or do you think Jinbe gets one shot by law too
 
kenedyfake

kenedyfake

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Rednick said:
Oh plz support characters in one piece have much more screen time than other manga. Sanji, nami and brook were mvps in wci. Chopper, franky, robin will also get their shinning moment in this arc(franky vs sasaki, robin vs black maria, chopper antidote moment and who knows what else). Nami and usopp are just not strong enough. Maybe if she would get zeus, could prob deal some damage.

Luffy is a main shonen character so he will always be in a favorite position in comparison to other characters. You cant avoid that. The secret is the writer to diminish these plot conveniences as much as he can so that they dont look like plot holes. Maybe you forget how gear 2 and 3 came to be. Luffy lost in a fight and then few days later, out of nowhere learnt two new techniques and could match lucci in strength. Luffy was always like that, even before the timeskip so i cant see how wci and dressrossa are failures and not the previous arcs.

One piece has given much more screen time to support characters than the other manga you mentioned. I mean naruto is only abot naruto and sasuke. Fairy tail and bleach ended up being pure trash.
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There is no diminution on the part of Oda, Luffy is a completely broken protagonist, he remembers Seiya and learned things in an instant.

In fact, what was the splint time? because after TS, Luffy happened to be doing something. One Piece is just like those manga you call garbage.
 
sanjikun

sanjikun

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Yasheen said:
Franky will be getting help from denjiro.

Page One > Vergo > Pica btw. We see that Jinbe is not much stronger than whos who, or do you think Jinbe gets one shot by law too
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If Jinbe goes in for an all-or-nothing clash against Law he's certainly getting one shot.

P1 can't even sniff Vergo's ballsack. Vergo can fly, can use shave, can speed blitz Law, is a CoA specialist.



Law got his heart back and Vergo speed blitzed him. That's how fast/agile he is.
 
Rednick

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kenedyfake said:
There is no diminution on the part of Oda, Luffy is a completely broken protagonist, he remembers Seiya and learned things in an instant.

In fact, what was the splint time? because after TS, Luffy happened to be doing something. One Piece is just like those manga you call garbage.
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I dont call bleach and fairy tail trash. THEY ARE TRASH. THATS A FACT. Not my opinion. I mean bleach was good until the chapter gin died. After that there was only despair. And i dont have to talk about fairy tail, we all know about the tragedy of fairy tail.
I actually liked naruto though. I even liked the final war that most people hated.
One piece though, with all its flaws is still far superior to all three of them.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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Yasheen said:
Franky will be getting help from denjiro.

Page One > Vergo > Pica btw. We see that Jinbe is not much stronger than whos who, or do you think Jinbe gets one shot by law too
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There's no substantial element placing Page One above Vergo.

We witnessed how Vergo factually managed to low-mid diff someone like Smoker despite suppressing himself of his FBH mode as a matter of fact, that was extensively impressive. So the benefit of the doubt has got to stand. We don't know how much Sanji grew from PH anyway.

Besides, PH Sanji was being more efficient in damaging Vergo but against PO Sanji was attempting to test the suit, more probably not standing as serious.

But most importantly Usopp himself will presumably defeat Page One which would still prove quite impressive despite the strike he received from BM.
 
Sir Yasheen

Sir Yasheen

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Finalbeta said:
There's no substantial element placing Page One above Vergo.

We witnessed how Vergo factually managed to low-mid diff someone like Smoker despite suppressing himself of his FBH mode as a matter of fact, that was extensively impressive. So the benefit of the doubt has got to stand. We don't know how much Sanji grew from PH anyway.

Besides, PH Sanji was being more efficient in damaging Vergo but against PO Sanji was attempting to test the suit, more probably not standing as serious.

But most importantly Usopp himself will presumably defeat Page One which would still prove quite impressive despite the strike he received from BM.
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I still don’t consider Vergo vs Smoker as reliable for power scaling because Smoker wasn’t trying to beat vergo but just get laws heart back.

But the Tobi Roppo are vastly underestimated. I don’t put Pica or Vergo close to Jinbe (who I consider closer to doffy) but putting Tobi Roppo close to Jinbe has been shown to be a fair assessment
 
mly90

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Robin Jimbei and Franky all have very good chances of defeating their f6 opponents they are far from outclassed.
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Yeah definitely outclassed:milaugh:. We have Luffy getting new power ups every chapter now holding his own against Kaido in his base form but some people think his crew members have to team up to defeat the f6



 
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kenedyfake

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Rednick said:
I dont call bleach and fairy tail trash. THEY ARE TRASH. THATS A FACT. Not my opinion. I mean bleach was good until the chapter gin died. After that there was only despair. And i dont have to talk about fairy tail, we all know about the tragedy of fairy tail.
I actually liked naruto though. I even liked the final war that most people hated.
One piece though, with all its flaws is still far superior to all three of them.
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no, it is not superior. Is it a little better? I agree ... but OP remains a mediocre shounen manga at the end of the day.
 
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