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So napoleon is stronger than yoru


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#21
:seriously:Kaido's club didn't make any contact lmfao show me the panel we see haki sparks hitting both law and zoro at the same time
He used ACoC which was proven the case, at least the way it was displayed. But I concur the strike wasn't direct contact as also a direct consequence of ACoC anyway, at least it was shown it doesn't make contact and no contact displayed whatsoever.
 
#23
Jokes aside, a sword is as strong as its user. Mihawk stated that at Baratie. The real question here is... Is Napoleon's quality better than yoru's. Well no. Yoru is one of the 12 supreme swords. There is no evidence Napoleon belong in this group.
 
#26
Ragnarok made contact........kaido didn't used barrier in divine thunder
We don't know if Ragnarok made contact. Did we see it touch Luffy's face? We just saw his club above Luffy's face. Knowing CoCa, it was like Luffy's punch to Kaido- physically pushing him down without touching.

He used Thunder Bagua on them, m8, quit with this head-canon. He screamed TB, he blitzed and we saw them taking hit.

It's same as Ashura. Did we see Adhura touch Kaido skin on-panel? No, we saw Zoro blitz behind Kaido, and then he's cut. That's just how Oda draws this.
 
#27
We don't know if Ragnarok made contact. Did we see it touch Luffy's face? We just saw his club above Luffy's face. Knowing CoCa, it was like Luffy's punch to Kaido- physically pushing him down without touching.

He used Thunder Bagua on them, m8, quit with this head-canon. He screamed TB, he blitzed and we saw them taking hit.

It's same as Ashura. Did we see Adhura touch Kaido skin on-panel? No, we saw Zoro blitz behind Kaido, and then he's cut. That's just how Oda draws this.
No we see the club making contact with luffy clearly.....the barrier haki is either second level coc with haki trail being level 1 or combination of coa and coc........

We clearly see haki sparks hitting law from a distance............too lazy to post scans now will post them later
 
#28
No we see the club making contact with luffy clearly.....the barrier haki is either second level coc with haki trail being level 1 or combination of coa and coc........

We clearly see haki sparks hitting law from a distance............too lazy to post scans now will post them later
That's your head-canon.

Kaido blitzed them, and they got hit. Unless you think Zoro didn't hit Kaido with Ashura, stop trying to force a narrative just because you don't like it. Every single blitz attack in history of this manga has been like this. Just because CoC has black sparks, it randomly doesn't make it different from thousand of other examples.
 
#29
That's your head-canon.

Kaido blitzed them, and they got hit. Unless you think Zoro didn't hit Kaido with Ashura, stop trying to force a narrative just because you don't like it. Every single blitz attack in history of this manga has been like this. Just because CoC has black sparks, it randomly doesn't make it different from thousand of other examples.
:kaidowhat::kaidowhat:

We don't see any panel of kaido landing his club on either zoro/law



You are the one using head canon kek.......:lawsigh::rolaugh:

We see coc lightning hitting them



Stop with your fanfic narrative my guy and learn to read kek
 
#30
:kaidowhat::kaidowhat:

We don't see any panel of kaido landing his club on either zoro/law



You are the one using head canon kek.......:lawsigh::rolaugh:

We see coc lightning hitting them



Stop with your fanfic narrative my guy and learn to read kek
Show me panel of Zoro's sword touching Mr.1.

Show me panel of Zoro's Ashura touchign Kaku.

Show me panel of Zoro's Ashura touching Kaido.

Show me panel of Kaido's Thunder Bagua touching Luffy when he first one-shotted him, etc, etc.

Do you not realize how blitz attacks work in manga? Oda never just shows the attack touch, the attack hits them, and then appears on the other side. :seriously:

Like, I fail to understand your issue. If anything, the white lightning effect clearly signifies that Kaido hit them there and the line of his club impact, because that shit ain't from any haki.
 
#31
Show me panel of Zoro's sword touching Mr.1.

Show me panel of Zoro's Ashura touchign Kaku.

Show me panel of Zoro's Ashura touching Kaido.

Show me panel of Kaido's Thunder Bagua touching Luffy when he first one-shotted him, etc, etc.

Do you not realize how blitz attacks work in manga? Oda never just shows the attack touch, the attack hits them, and then appears on the other side. :okay:

Like, I fail to understand your issue. If anything, the white lightning effect clearly signifies that Kaido hit them there and the line of his club impact, because that shit ain't from any haki.
You idiot thunder bagua hits you with club normally as you can see when kaido K.O.ed luffy in chapter 923 lmfao:suresure::suresure:

You are telling me kaido ran then stopped where zoro is hit zoro with club like he did with luffy like ragnarok attack as zoro was lying down then again ran towards law and hit him :milaugh:
 
#32
You idiot thunder bagua hits you with club normally as you can see when kaido K.O.ed luffy in chapter 923 lmfao:suresure::suresure:

You are telling me kaido ran then stopped where zoro is hit zoro with club like he did with luffy like ragnarok attack as zoro was lying down then again ran towards law and hit him :milaugh:
I can't tell if you're blind or ignorant or just pretending to be both.

Kaido's line of movement is clearly visible with the giant-ass no-haki related white lightning drawn by Oda. It shows his blitz line and that he hit both Law and Zoro with his club in that line.

Ragnarok is not Thunder Bagua. We never saw Thunder Bagua make contact with Luffy first tmie either- Kaido used it, and we never saw it hit while Kaido stood on the other side as Luffy fell. Just like every single blitz move in history of this series.

Just like Lion's Song.

Or Sanzen Sekai.

Or Ashura.

Or, again, Thunder Bagua.
 
#33
I can't tell if you're blind or ignorant or just pretending to be both.

Kaido's line of movement is clearly visible with the giant-ass no-haki related white lightning drawn by Oda. It shows his blitz line and that he hit both Law and Zoro with his club in that line.

Ragnarok is not Thunder Bagua. We never saw Thunder Bagua make contact with Luffy first tmie either- Kaido used it, and we never saw it hit while Kaido stood on the other side as Luffy fell. Just like every single blitz move in history of this series.
You are the one being ignorant kaido can't hit two people with his club directly as zoro is lying down and law standing.......and for the last time we see haki sparks(black lightning) hitting law.......
 
#34
You are the one being ignorant kaido can't hit two people with his club directly as zoro is lying down and law standing.......and for the last time we see haki sparks(black lightning) hitting law.......
Yes... he can hit them with a blitz with an angled club. How else do you explain the white lightning effect? Is it his advanced uber ultra CoC?

Also, you DO realize the black lightning from CoC coating IS the attack in itself, right?



Luffy's fist never made contact with Kaido, the black lightning haki did. Law even said they're not touching.



Are you seeing this? Their CoC clashes are literally the black lightnings clashing, creating shockwave bigger than Onigashima.


You act like getting hit by "CoC black lightning" is trash or something. That is the advanced CoC to begin with. Which is supposed to be a huge boost for Luffy and something only the "strongest" can do according to Kaido.

And the ENTIRE point of my post was that Law could survive CoC coated TB with minimal injury, while he was shitting bricks at Zoro surviving Hakai the way he did.

Do you think Thunder Bagua in itself was irrelevant? Then why did he not just run over and hit them with this irrelevant "black lightning" as you say. It was an ACoC TB.
 
#35
Yes... he can hit them with a blitz with an angled club. How else do you explain the white lightning effect? Is it his advanced uber ultra CoC?

Also, you DO realize the black lightning from CoC coating IS the attack in itself, right?



Luffy's fist never made contact with Kaido, the black lightning haki did. Law even said they're not touching.



Are you seeing this? Their CoC clashes are literally the black lightnings clashing, creating shockwave bigger than Onigashima.


You act like getting hit by "CoC black lightning" is trash or something. That is the advanced CoC to begin with. Which is supposed to be a huge boost for Luffy and something only the "strongest" can do according to Kaido.

And the ENTIRE point of my post was that Law could survive CoC coated TB with minimal injury, while he was shitting bricks at Zoro surviving Hakai the way he did.

Do you think Thunder Bagua in itself was irrelevant? Then why did he not just run over and hit them with this irrelevant "black lightning" as you say. It was an ACoC TB.
Again you are wrong.......if you notice kaido is holding is club straight rather than horizontal side ways when he K.O.ed luffy in 923 chapter.........

Yes that haki sparks are adv coc........I agree on that dumbo..........all I am saying is his club didn't land on them directly

And no kaido didn't use barrier coa/coc which luffy/BM used and kaido also used in chapter 1011......

You can either choose to use barrier with adv coc which is more powerful but kaido didn't used it on ragnarok attack or thunder bagua attack.......

For that matter there is no confirmation that barrier is plane coc..........it can easily be coa.........
 
#36
Again you are wrong.......if you notice kaido is holding is club straight rather than horizontal side ways when he K.O.ed luffy in 923 chapter.........
Explain the white spark effect, then. If it isn't line of impact, what is it? Because it clearly is not haki- never once have it been drawn like that.

And no kaido didn't use barrier coa/coc which luffy/BM used and kaido also used in chapter 1011......

You can either choose to use barrier with adv coc which is more powerful but kaido didn't used it on ragnarok attack or thunder bagua attack.......
These are some major assumptions and head-canons. There isn't any statement about "barrier coc" or stuff. All we know is that CoC can be coated on your body/weapon, and you hit people with that coating (black haki, as clearly evident by there being fuck-ton of it around his club). Until there's an specification of there being layers/levels of CoC coating, no need to assume there is.

It isn't supposed to mirror CoA, either. CoC coating is its own stuff.
 
#37
Explain the white spark effect, then. If it isn't line of impact, what is it? Because it clearly is not haki- never once have it been drawn like that.



These are some major assumptions and head-canons. There isn't any statement about "barrier coc" or stuff. All we know is that CoC can be coated on your body/weapon, and you hit people with that coating (black haki, as clearly evident by there being fuck-ton of it around his club). Until there's an specification of there being layers/levels of CoC coating, no need to assume there is.

It isn't supposed to mirror CoA, either. CoC coating is its own stuff.
Dude white sparks are common lol check luffy clashing with a mink and you will see white spark there..........

No you are again using fanfic........luffy gets flashback of hyougoro telling about adv coc internal thing and luffy says its shallow and then combines it with coc.........thats all.......
 
#38
Dude white sparks are common lol check luffy clashing with a mink and you will see white spark there..........
Never once saw it not be used for line of impact/movement. I'd gladly take scans of it being used like that.

No you are again using fanfic........luffy gets flashback of hyougoro telling about adv coc internal thing and luffy says its shallow and then combines it with coc.........thats all.......
Hyougoro didn't teach Luffy shit other than Ryou/CoA. If you can show me a single scan of him mentioning CoC, go ahead.
 
#39
Never once saw it not be used for line of impact/movement. I'd gladly take scans of it being used like that.


Hyougoro didn't teach Luffy shit other than Ryou/CoA. If you can show me a single scan of him mentioning CoC, go ahead.
You are going on a tangent here lol..........luffy gets a flshaback about internal destrcution which hyo doesn't knows how to use but it still has flowing concept of barrier coa........so yeah.........hell "flow" is mentioned as well





White sparks
 
#40
You are going on a tangent here lol..........luffy gets a flshaback about internal destrcution which hyo doesn't knows how to use but it still has flowing concept of barrier coa........so yeah.........hell "flow" is mentioned as well





White sparks
Idk, I think you're believing CoC coating applies every principle of CoA/Inter-destruction and mimics it. That's not how it works- we barely know how CoC coating works. There's a lot of assumptions in your perspective lol.

All we know for sure is that CoC coating is coating your body/weapon in that haki, which forms black sparks. Which is similar to the concept of ACoA- the basic level below Internal Destruction, which is emitting CoA from your body and coating it on yourself or your weapon.

Also, yeah, white sparks are used to signify point or line of impact, as evident in your SS.
 
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