Powers & Abilities So Yamato gets ACoC but Kid doesn't

Nope even oda shows its a fake win
You guys are mixing different things by no checking the Japanese and studying their words.

Descriptive bynames like Straw Hat, Surgeon of Death or King of the Beasts are tsusho (通称) but Kaidou was talking about a rhetoric figure called makurakotoba (枕詞). Only because both can be translated as "epithet" doesn't mean they are the same; heck, even in English "epithet" has tons of different meanings.

When Oda says that the victor needs no epithets he doesn't mean that addressing Kid as "Captain" and Law as "Surgeon of death" delegitimizes their win, but that if samurai were as strong as they are claimed to be they would demonstrate it by their actions instead of their reputation.

For more information, this was my take back in the day about the makurakotoba issue:
 

Finalbeta

Ging Freecss stan
I feel there are 2 explanations: he has been overrated and ain't good enough to yet, or Oda doesn't particularly care being consistent about what Rayleigh suggested about ACoC.

I think it might unironically be a mixture.
 

HA001

World's Strongest Swordsman
Wrong oda doesn't just give one meaning for titles.

The fact is

Zoro sanji etc all actually won their fights and just had their names no Epithets

The two fights where there wasn't a clear win
Law and kidd

And kaidos hit on luffy cause of cp0

Oda specifically put both their Epithets

This isn't coincidence
 
Thanks for bringing my quote, man; I can't believe people are still trying the "winners need no epithet" argument.

Oda NEVER wrote that "winners need no tsusho"; he wrote that "winners need no makurakotoba", two completely different words and concepts. For real, people, just stop making a fool of yourself and do the minimum effort of checking what the original language is actually saying instead of blindly relying on translations to an English you don't even understand proprely (hence why you also fall for the illiteracy of believing "epithet" has one universal meaning).

I mean, Kaidou referring to stuff like "Surgeon of death" or "Captain" doesn't even make sense in-verse; such epithets don't fit at all in what the emperor reflected about. What a weird, disturbed way of interpreting text.
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Wrong oda doesn't just give one meaning for titles.

The fact is

Zoro sanji etc all actually won their fights and just had their names no Epithets

The two fights where there wasn't a clear win
Law and kidd

And kaidos hit on luffy cause of cp0

Oda specifically put both their Epithets

This isn't coincidence
You don't know what you are talking about. "Wrong oda doesn't just give meaning for titles", what the heck does this even mean? The only reason why you think of this as "titles" is because you are poor at understanding English and only rely on translations instead of checking the original text where two different concepts are addressed with two different words.

Nowhere is Oda saying that "winners need no epithet", that's only the translation. And even then we have two meanings of "epithet" that can't be interchanged just because you feel like it.
 
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Kid was a sadness. We see people saying he loses to Sanji and Doflamingo due to lack of mobility, people saying he only controls metals and nothing else, people saying he's a turtle, people saying he doesn't have that much AP and Law turned BM into an amoeba . It was the character that Oda shit the most.
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Yamato, the character introduced in the final act of wano and wants nothing more than to cosplay as Oden, has ACoC. Yet a character built up as Luffy's rival for 500 chapters, a character who wants to be PK, and a character who literally 2v1ed big mom, didn't.

This is legitimately a retard move on Oda's part. Some people will say I'm just being a fanboy. Some people will say I'm "pushing agenda". No, it is objectively bad writing for Kid to not have ACoC and I will stand by this.

You cannot portray haki as an essential part of combat, especially amongst top tiers, give Linlin ACoC, and then never address it in the fight. This is basically what Oda did. He had speed say that Linlin was using CoC off-screen and just never drew her actually using it(apart from one panel in 1040) so he didn't need to address how Kid and Law could deal with Linlin's conqueror's haki.

If instead of giving Kid a shitty, almost inconsequential awakening, Oda gave him ACoC instead, the fight would have made so much more sense. Kid could deal with Linlin's haki while Law deals serious damage. It would have even made sense for Kid to have it since he fought shanks and kaido before Luffy, and hence should have had at least some conception of ACoC.
Kid and Law were supposed to be equals. Law has the ope ope no mi and Kid has CoC. CoC was the thing that made Kid special, in comparison to Law. Yet it just didn't matter at all. Law got a big flashy awakening and did most the damage to Linlin and Kid, despite being paralleled to Luffy countless times since his introduction, was just Law's shittier sidekick.

Kid not having ACoC(amongst other things) ruined his character and even more than that, it ruined Kid and Law vs Big Mom. Because Oda couldn't create a way for Kid and Law to logically deal with Linlin's haki, he just pretended it didn't exist, which makes the fight one of the absolute worst in the series. While Kid was only introduced in sabaody, Linlin was foreshadowed as far back as thriller bark with Lola. She was set up as a major antagonist in Fishman island and WCI. Yet in one move, Oda managed to ruin both characters. He simultaneously made both Kid and Linlin look weak and incompetent. Good fucking job.
Very lucid
 
Kid was a sadness. We see people saying he loses to Sanji and Doflamingo due to lack of mobility, people saying he only controls metals and nothing else, people saying he's a turtle, people saying he doesn't have that much AP and Law turned BM into an amoeba . It was the character that Oda shit the most.
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Very lucid
Oda did him dirty
 
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