Powers & Abilities So Zoro and Roger can send air bar out

[HPsyche]

Swordmanship - Someone who only uses Swords, is part of a School or Style.

Like Zoro said, not everyone with a Sword is a Swordsman. People who are willing to win in any way outside of Swordsmanship is not a Swordsman. Their martial art is like Sanji - he will use Legs to fight even if it kills him.... Swordsmen will always rely on Swordsmanship.
King admits he's not a Swordsman, and I'm guessing Roger, Rocks and many other Blade wielding people aren't Swordsmen.
Vista was said to be the strongest Swordsman in the WBP, most likely because he's the highest ranked Swordsman - he'd still lose to Whitebeard since WB isn't a Swordsman.

 

[HA001]

Swordmanship - Someone who only uses Swords, is part of a School or Style.

Like Zoro said, not everyone with a Sword is a Swordsman. People who are willing to win in any way outside of Swordsmanship is not a Swordsman. Their martial art is like Sanji - he will use Legs to fight even if it kills him.... Swordsmen will always rely on Swordsmanship.
King admits he's not a Swordsman, and I'm guessing Roger, Rocks and many other Blade wielding people aren't Swordsmen.
Vista was said to be the strongest Swordsman in the WBP, most likely because he's the highest ranked Swordsman - he'd still lose to Whitebeard since WB isn't a Swordsman.

Huh rox has swordsmanship

 

[kumae]

Swordmanship - Someone who only uses Swords, is part of a School or Style.

Like Zoro said, not everyone with a Sword is a Swordsman. People who are willing to win in any way outside of Swordsmanship is not a Swordsman. Their martial art is like Sanji - he will use Legs to fight even if it kills him.... Swordsmen will always rely on Swordsmanship.
King admits he's not a Swordsman, and I'm guessing Roger, Rocks and many other Blade wielding people aren't Swordsmen.
Vista was said to be the strongest Swordsman in the WBP, most likely because he's the highest ranked Swordsman - he'd still lose to Whitebeard since WB isn't a Swordsman.

Not calling yourself a swordsman =/= not mean you are not a swordsman
King in chapter 1032
Let's have a sword fight
King vivre card =mask swordsman

 

[Blazing Lion]

Not calling yourself a swordsman =/= not mean you are not a swordsman
King in chapter 1032
Let's have a sword fight
King vivre card =mask swordsman

They read one thing that fits their agenda and they refuse to remember or acknowledge anything else.

 

[Cruxroux]

They read one thing that fits their agenda and they refuse to remember or acknowledge anything else.

I swear to god the swordsman copium is the longest running copium of this fandom.

 

[HPsyche]

Not calling yourself a swordsman =/= not mean you are not a swordsman
King in chapter 1032
Let's have a sword fight
King vivre card =mask swordsman

Eh? Never said King is not a Swordsman.

King is a Swordsman, a skilled one, but not a pure Swordsman.
He himself admits it, he says he'll bite if it means victory.

Like Zoro said, King is not following a school or a certain style, it's just whatever he needs to win a fight.
Most of the Swordsmen we know are not pure Swordsmen.
The pure Swordsmen we know are Zoro, Vista and Mihawk, probably the majority of the Samurai too.

If anything, it's akin to being a Boxer and being a Mix Martial Artist. A boxer will only ever use his fist, that's his martial art.
A mixed martial artist can be an amazing boxer, but will also using kicking, grappling and wrestle to win a fight - he's not a pure Boxer.
If the analogy is making sense or will make sense hopefully, Zoro would be the boxer in this instance, and King would be a mixed martial artist.
I think this distinction is lost on you and others, the concept of purity in a specific style.

 

[Franosuke]

He himself admits it, he says he'll bite if it means victory.

It was Zoro who said this, not King.

 

[gz89]

Who tf thought this air bar nonsense

 

[CbShadow]

Eh? Never said King is not a Swordsman.

King is a Swordsman, a skilled one, but not a pure Swordsman.
He himself admits it, he says he'll bite if it means victory.

Like Zoro said, King is not following a school or a certain style, it's just whatever he needs to win a fight.
Most of the Swordsmen we know are not pure Swordsmen.
The pure Swordsmen we know are Zoro, Vista and Mihawk, probably the majority of the Samurai too.

If anything, it's akin to being a Boxer and being a Mix Martial Artist. A boxer will only ever use his fist, that's his martial art.
A mixed martial artist can be an amazing boxer, but will also using kicking, grappling and wrestle to win a fight - he's not a pure Boxer.
If the analogy is making sense or will make sense hopefully, Zoro would be the boxer in this instance, and King would be a mixed martial artist.
I think this distinction is lost on you and others, the concept of purity in a specific style.

There's no such thing as a pure swordsman in One Piece. That is a term some fan like to use so they can say certain characters aren't weaker then Mihawk. Pushing the idea his title only applies to pure swordsman.

Zora was one of talked about winning by ripping Kings throat off. I believe the purpose of that scene was to explain to us being a swordsman doesn't mean you can't perform non-sword attacks.

We have seen Zoro defeat multiple characters with a punch, kick, and other non-sword weapons. Based off your post Zoro it's not a pure swordsman. Even Mihawk carries around a mini knife he used at times.

Either you are a swordsman or not. A swordsman is a character who's fighting style centers around using a sword or they're at the strongest while using a sword. King is that his strongest when he's using a sword.

 

[HPsyche]

There's no such thing as a pure swordsman in One Piece. That is a term some fan like to use so they can say certain characters aren't weaker then Mihawk. Pushing the idea his title only applies to pure swordsman.

Zora was one of talked about winning by ripping Kings throat off. I believe the purpose of that scene was to explain to us being a swordsman doesn't mean you can't perform non-sword attacks.

We have seen Zoro defeat multiple characters with a punch, kick, and other non-sword weapons. Based off your post Zoro it's not a pure swordsman. Even Mihawk carries around a mini knife he used at times.

Either you are a swordsman or not. A swordsman is a character who's fighting style centers around using a sword or they're at the strongest while using a sword. King is that his strongest when he's using a sword.

Disagree, like Zoro said, King doesn't conform to wa school or style - that implies that is the definition of a Swordsman, King's a mixed martial artist who also uses a sword.

Who did Zoro defeat without Swordsmanship? I know he has a swordless style, but that's still relying on Swordsmanship?

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It was Zoro who said this, not King.

If you read further on in the fight, he tells King it's a disgrace to go for the kill without a Sword, so the context is he's just talking here. A Swordsman has a respect for Swords and the martial art as a lifestyle.

To King, this is not a lifestyle, it's just a weapon for killing, and he's good at it.

Like Mihawk also said, there are certain things a Swordsman will pride themselves in - not having their weapon nicked. Or, we even see King shame Zoro for jumping to save his Swords because Zoro doesn't view them as just metal blades, but as things special to one's Swordsmanship.

Like Zoro himself said, King isn't a pure Swordsman, and King pretty much agreed which is why he finds the idea limiting and pointless.

 

[mly90]

Who tf thought this air bar nonsense

The legendary grand haki scholar before Rootbeer @Chaves

 

[HA001]

Disagree, like Zoro said, King doesn't conform to wa school or style - that implies that is the definition of a Swordsman, King's a mixed martial artist who also uses a sword.

Who did Zoro defeat without Swordsmanship? I know he has a swordless style, but that's still relying on Swordsmanship?

Post automatically merged: Yesterday at 4:05 PM

If you read further on in the fight, he tells King it's a disgrace to go for the kill without a Sword, so the context is he's just talking here. A Swordsman has a respect for Swords and the martial art as a lifestyle.

To King, this is not a lifestyle, it's just a weapon for killing, and he's good at it.

Like Mihawk also said, there are certain things a Swordsman will pride themselves in - not having their weapon nicked. Or, we even see King shame Zoro for jumping to save his Swords because Zoro doesn't view them as just metal blades, but as things special to one's Swordsmanship.

Like Zoro himself said, King isn't a pure Swordsman, and King pretty much agreed which is why he finds the idea limiting and pointless.

King tells zoro the same thing tho

 

[HPsyche]

King tells zoro the same thing tho

Where?


Don't think so as far as I can read, King is aware that Zoro is a Swordsman, he never said otherwise. What King said was that he was opposed to limiting himself to Swordsmanship when for him, winning is all that matters. He likes to fight however he wants.

 

[HA001]

Where?


Don't think so as far as I can read, King is aware that Zoro is a Swordsman, he never said otherwise. What King said was that he was opposed to limiting himself to Swordsmanship when for him, winning is all that matters. He likes to fight however he wants.

Literally the same page zoro tells him to kill him by the sword