Questions & Mysteries Straw Hat Vice Captain
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I am still waiting for your answer to the proofs I asked for, but in the meantime I answer your questions. Zoro always took the command in Luffy's absence or when Luffy was grappling with decisions, regardless of Sanji's presence. For example his speech at W7, both Luffy and Sanji listened him without batting an eye along with the rest of the crew, or at TB during the sacrifice with Kuma, Sanji wanted to sacrifice himself in Zoro's place, but the final decision was made by Zoro, or when at W7 Zoro was leading the others by cutting the door of the building and eliminating the many enemies, so much so that Zanbai says "how can he not be the captain?" for the second time ... and Sanji was behind. Or always to TB Zoro tells everyone "stay back, I have to face him, me" including Sanji. These are just a few examples
And Sanji never listens to him.
1. What proof do you need? You’re just spouting headcanon. There’s no proof that Zoro is the VC because he’s not. Zoro has no more authority on the ship than Sanji.
2. Sanji also lead the crew in Enies Lobby when he was the one to devise the plans to get the key telling Zoro to just let Luffy go he’ll find his way to Lucci with those animal instincts of his.
3. Sanji also was about to sacrifice himself to Kuma. Brook even mentioned that they had the same will and resovle
4. Water 7 showed Sanji taking control when Luffy was losing himself as well. When Luffy was about to tell usop to leave Sanji was the one to kick Luffy and tell him to cool down. When Chopper was going to go help Usopp, Sanji was the one who stopped him saying he doesn’t need pity.
The Straw Hats have no official hierarchy but it’s clear that Luffys at the top then Zoro and Sanji. They’ll each take control depending on what’s needed. The one who defends the crew and makes sure Luffy isn’t being selfish with them is Sanji. The one who ensures Luffy is a dependable man is Zoro. Both are vice captain traits but neither are the vice captain
1. What proof do you need? You’re just spouting headcanon. There’s no proof that Zoro is the VC because he’s not. Zoro has no more authority on the ship than Sanji.
2. Sanji also lead the crew in Enies Lobby when he was the one to devise the plans to get the key telling Zoro to just let Luffy go he’ll find his way to Lucci with those animal instincts of his.
3. Sanji also was about to sacrifice himself to Kuma. Brook even mentioned that they had the same will and resovle
4. Water 7 showed Sanji taking control when Luffy was losing himself as well. When Luffy was about to tell usop to leave Sanji was the one to kick Luffy and tell him to cool down. When Chopper was going to go help Usopp, Sanji was the one who stopped him saying he doesn’t need pity.
The Straw Hats have no official hierarchy but it’s clear that Luffys at the top then Zoro and Sanji. They’ll each take control depending on what’s needed. The one who defends the crew and makes sure Luffy isn’t being selfish with them is Sanji. The one who ensures Luffy is a dependable man is Zoro. Both are vice captain traits but neither are the vice captain
Sanji never listen Zoro? lol. Anyway, since you don't want to answer my questions and just say that I just spout headcanon, I can tell you that some points you said are true, I mean Sanji kicking Luffy when he was saying something he was not supposed to and other things like that (which in any case they weren't as relevant as Zoro's.) The moment he stops Chopper is not really who knows what, anyone understands that at that moment Usopp didn't want to receive mercy except Chopper. That's right, members like Sanji, Nami etc. they've had moments where they acted on their own initiative, but the one who holds the role and does it most often is clearly Zoro, if you deny it you are biased towards Sanji. For example, when in the fight between Luffy and Usopp Luffy turns to Zoro and says "it's heavy" and Zoro replies "this is a captain's burden, you have to bear it", or when, after learning about Robin, Zoro reunites the others, he puts himself in the center and analyzes the situation and then asks (and all quiet to listen to him) to Luffy what he wants to do. It seems to me that you want to deny the truth, because it is quite evident that Zoro several times has held the role of deputy, always and only him
Zoro doesn’t do it most often though. Like that’s just a bold faced lie.
Zoro and Sanji do it an equal amount due to your own bias towards Zoro. You literally haven’t asked any questions.
Zoros role is a swordsman. He’s not a vice captain. He himself doesn’t consider him the VC nor does any straw hat.
I don’t get how Sanji actually taking up as a captain isn’t enough to show you that Zoro isn’t the vice captain the monster trio are just the crews leaders
Zoro and Sanji do it an equal amount due to your own bias towards Zoro. You literally haven’t asked any questions.
Zoros role is a swordsman. He’s not a vice captain. He himself doesn’t consider him the VC nor does any straw hat.
I don’t get how Sanji actually taking up as a captain isn’t enough to show you that Zoro isn’t the vice captain the monster trio are just the crews leaders
Lol but you can't deny that Zoro has often held the role of vice-captain, come on😅
No, clearly Zoro and Sanji do not fill the role in equal measure, although Sanji has had his moments (and this I admit it without problem). Yes, I asked you to tell me a moment when Sanji took the lead in Zoro's presence and without Luffy, or when Zoro didn't take the lead when needed, because you only told "Sanji departed Dressrosa"
Yeah Zoro role is a swordman, Officially he is not vice-captain, but he is the only one among the SH who has been considered vice-captain (or captain) by the manga characters and the databooks. These things NEVER happened to Sanji, Nami and the others.
When did Sanji ever take on the role of captain? and don't tell me again when they left Dressrosa because I have already answered you about it.
ps. Don't say false things like "Zoro himself doesn’t consider him the VC" bruh
(This is the third time I rewrite the comment, I don't understand why the site doesn't save it -_- )
No, clearly Zoro and Sanji do not fill the role in equal measure, although Sanji has had his moments (and this I admit it without problem). Yes, I asked you to tell me a moment when Sanji took the lead in Zoro's presence and without Luffy, or when Zoro didn't take the lead when needed, because you only told "Sanji departed Dressrosa"
Yeah Zoro role is a swordman, Officially he is not vice-captain, but he is the only one among the SH who has been considered vice-captain (or captain) by the manga characters and the databooks. These things NEVER happened to Sanji, Nami and the others.
When did Sanji ever take on the role of captain? and don't tell me again when they left Dressrosa because I have already answered you about it.
ps. Don't say false things like "Zoro himself doesn’t consider him the VC" bruh
(This is the third time I rewrite the comment, I don't understand why the site doesn't save it -_- )
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If we mean who best fits that role then Zoro. Sanji and the others have their moments as well. At the end of the day, the Straw Hats' hierarchy isn't determined by Urouge or Barto and those characters are just giving their opinions.
Luffy decides who's Vice Captain since that's an actual role on the ship. It's clear in the Straw Hats they're all equally important but play different roles (like in Sanji's speech to Usopp about how they can depend one each other in areas where one lacks and the other is capable of compensating) so I can see why Oda didn't have Zoro named Vice Captain, would kinda be strange for them to be portrayed as equally important to each other and to Luffy then have one elevated to that position.
Zoro getting the official title wouldn't surprise me but personally, I think it's Luffy's decision and so far, he seems to have everyone as equals under him (atleast in the structure of his crew) and any of them will advise him in anyway they see fit and Zoro has a lot of significant moments doing just that. Sanji and the others like Jimbei and Nami also play vital roles when it comes to discussing with Luffy but at the end of the day, Vice Captain is a title on a ship and if Luffy never picks one then the Straw Hats don't have one. Does the manga even use the term First Mate, if not then it should simply be the first to join and that was Zoro.
Luffy decides who's Vice Captain since that's an actual role on the ship. It's clear in the Straw Hats they're all equally important but play different roles (like in Sanji's speech to Usopp about how they can depend one each other in areas where one lacks and the other is capable of compensating) so I can see why Oda didn't have Zoro named Vice Captain, would kinda be strange for them to be portrayed as equally important to each other and to Luffy then have one elevated to that position.
Zoro getting the official title wouldn't surprise me but personally, I think it's Luffy's decision and so far, he seems to have everyone as equals under him (atleast in the structure of his crew) and any of them will advise him in anyway they see fit and Zoro has a lot of significant moments doing just that. Sanji and the others like Jimbei and Nami also play vital roles when it comes to discussing with Luffy but at the end of the day, Vice Captain is a title on a ship and if Luffy never picks one then the Straw Hats don't have one. Does the manga even use the term First Mate, if not then it should simply be the first to join and that was Zoro.
Well yes, I agree that everyone has their moments and they all play vital roles, sure, but I believe that Zoro for Luffy is a step above, and there is nothing wrong because it would be like complaining about having a best friend (and therefore elevating a friend over others ), and the problem is this: many fans think that if one is vice-captain, their favorite character is being belittled, so Oda cannot afford to make it official. Obviously Luffy is not the type to say "you are the vice-captain" at most he would say right hand, let's remember that Luffy is the same one who thinks that alliance = friendship, because he interprets things in his own way. But I think that if Zoro has often held the role of vice-captain and he is considered as such by both the characters and the databooks, there must be a reason, don't you think too?
Urouge and Bartolomeo are external to the crew and yet they say that Zoro is the vice-captain, in my opinion it is not something not to be counted, because behind their words there is Oda. and why would Oda delude fans with something that isn't true? Also, Bartolomeo is a fan of all straw hats, he is especially a Luffy fan, but he only hinted Zoro at the role of vice-captain.
Urouge and Bartolomeo are external to the crew and yet they say that Zoro is the vice-captain, in my opinion it is not something not to be counted, because behind their words there is Oda. and why would Oda delude fans with something that isn't true? Also, Bartolomeo is a fan of all straw hats, he is especially a Luffy fan, but he only hinted Zoro at the role of vice-captain.
Understandable. I just consider the Straw Hats' own crew as more important than simply what other characters think. It's fine to think Zoro has all the traits of a Vice Captain and gets recognition from other characters but I still don't see it as a confirmation as far as Luffy and his crew goes but I get why you do.
Zoro ordered sanji in water 7, And sanji+ rest of the crew agreed and followed order.
All of your head canons literally irrelevant. In the one piece world Zoro is viewed as first mate/right hand man/ vice captain and second in command of the straw hats. By characters like bartomeleo and brouge .
Zoro also imposed him self as the second in command multiple times.
Oda stated that he plays the vice captain role.
All this is enough proof that Zoro is the vice captain.
He was even mistaken as the captain, That was for a reason. Oda wanted us to know that Zoro imposes himself as a commanding person of his crew to others.
Zoro has always been the VC of the straw hats. Or at least thats how he is viewed in the one piece world.
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All of your head canons literally irrelevant. In the one piece world Zoro is viewed as first mate/right hand man/ vice captain and second in command of the straw hats. By characters like bartomeleo and brouge .
Zoro also imposed him self as the second in command multiple times.
Oda stated that he plays the vice captain role.
All this is enough proof that Zoro is the vice captain.
He was even mistaken as the captain, That was for a reason. Oda wanted us to know that Zoro imposes himself as a commanding person of his crew to others.
Zoro has always been the VC of the straw hats. Or at least thats how he is viewed in the one piece world.
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