Powers & Abilities Swordsmanship through Zoro’s battles: east blue edition

[Albino 👑]

Hmmm, so there’s a hierarchy of swordsmen outside of the WSS? “True” and “false” swordsmen?

Or are they one in the same? The WSS is the “TRUEST” swordsman?

I’m asking because because in the examples you gave above, Oda doesn’t introduce the idea that there is such a thing as “True” swordsmen.

mihawk never says his philosophy of swordsmanship is the “true” philosophy of swordsmanship… Neither does Zoro.

In fact Oda has multiple characters throughout the story with opposite “swordsmanship philosophies” and Oda has yet to come out and say which on is the correct one.

the only stated heirarchy in swordsmanship presented in the story is the most basic one. Swordsmanship is a fighting style. So you become a “Better swordsman” simply by winning.

like if Cabaji or Hachi defeated Zoro in combat, would you still take Zoro’s words as the gospel of swordsmanship? No you wouldn’t right? Cabaji or Hachi would simply plainly be the “Stronger swordsmen” if they won the fight, no matter what philosophy they used.

Not really
If you claim to be a swordsman you’re a swordsman it doesn’t matter how skilled or unskilled you are
Same way using a sword doesn’t automatically make you a swordsman

Only reason shiryu isn’t a “true” swordsman in the same sense as zoro/mihawk is because he doesn’t follow swordsman code. He’s still a swordsman regardless due to everything else


Yes I think Zoro knows what he’s talking about when it comes to swordsmanship…

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Only reason shiryu isn’t a “true” swordsman in the same sense as zoro/mihawk is because he doesn’t follow swordsman code. He’s still a swordsman regardless due to everything else


Yes I think Zoro knows what he’s talking about when it comes to swordsmanship…

If Shiryu isn’t a “true” swordsman then he’s a “false” swordsman

the existence of the qualifier “true” implies there’s a “false” as well

also you wanna try defining “swordsman code”? You keep saying it yet you cannot define it.

And to be more specific, I want a definition that aligns very neatly with your “true” swordsman qualifier… because I can think many examples of things people say but I don’t see how it’s a “swordsman code” just because they said it.

for example Zoro’s statement of not taking wounds on his back… Is that a “swordsman code”? Okay but what about injuring people on their backs… Zoro never made a single statement about cutting opponents backs… He said he himself cannot allow himself get injured on the back…

also note that Mihawk was in fact ready to cut Zoro’s back… Mihawk was mid swing when Zoro turned around… so Mihawk was already going to cut Zoro’s back and then Zoro turned around and said he cannot let himself get cut on the back…

hmm, this is very similar to Shiryu cutting Moriah’s back… So… what’s up? What’s the “swordsman code” here?

Another example of characters just saying things, mihawk outright says having your swords damaged is a shame upon a swordsman… He uses the word “Shame”… You know, the same word Zoro uses regarding his wound on the back… Wounds on the back are a swordsman’s shame and Swords getting damaged are a swordsman’s shame

So was Zoro a “false” swordsman in the Mihawk fight for having his swords damaged but he’s a “true” swordsman for not getting wounded on the back and also Mihawk is a “false” swordsman trying to cut Zoro’s back same way Shiryu is a “false” swordsman for cutting Moriah’s back

Does it seem like I’m nitpicking by asking all these questions? I am. Because you're also nitpicking making these threads.

So answer clearly then, what is the “swordsman code” exactly and what does it have to do with “true” and “false” swordsmen?

 

[Albino 👑]

If Shiryu isn’t a “true” swordsman then he’s a “false” swordsman

the existence of the qualifier “true” implies there’s a “false” as well

also you wanna try defining “swordsman code”? You keep saying it yet you cannot define it.

And to be more specific, I want a definition that aligns very neatly with your “true” swordsman qualifier… because I can think many examples of things people say but I don’t see how it’s a “swordsman code” just because they said it.

for example Zoro’s statement of not taking wounds on his back… Is that a “swordsman code”? Okay but what about injuring people on their backs… Zoro never made a single statement about cutting opponents backs… He said he himself cannot allow himself get injured on the back…

also note that Mihawk was in fact ready to cut Zoro’s back… Mihawk was mid swing when Zoro turned around… so Mihawk was already going to cut Zoro’s back and then Zoro turned around and said he cannot let himself get cut on the back…

hmm, this is very similar to Shiryu cutting Moriah’s back… So… what’s up? What’s the “swordsman code” here?

Another example of characters just saying things, mihawk outright says having your swords damaged is a shame upon a swordsman… He uses the word “Shame”… You know, the same word Zoro uses regarding his wound on the back… Wounds on the back are a swordsman’s shame and Swords getting damaged are a swordsman’s shame

So was Zoro a “false” swordsman in the Mihawk fight for having his swords damaged but he’s a “true” swordsman for not getting wounded on the back and also Mihawk is a “false” swordsman trying to cut Zoro’s back same way Shiryu is a “false” swordsman for cutting Moriah’s back

Does it seem like I’m nitpicking by asking all these questions? I am. Because you're also nitpicking making these threads.

So answer clearly then, what is the “swordsman code” exactly and what does it have to do with “true” and “false” swordsmen?

Again shiryu is a swordsman man

He’s just not the type of guy fellow swordsmen or the honor/way of life of a swordsman the same way characters like zoro/mihawk are.

He’s a swordsman he just doesn’t live his life with the same honor a swordsman typically should. He’s a cheap grimy guy unlike them

They live their life based on that code/honor/lifestyle of a swordsman. He doesn’t. Which is fine cause he’s still a swordsman

 

[CbShadow]

Orange town: zoro vs cabaji
Zoro’s first real fight with it setting up what being a swordsman means

The fight starts off with a clash of swords, zoro challenging him to a sword duel, and even cabaji himself referring to himself as a swordsman
So just basing it off those first 2 panels it seemingly cut and dry that cabaji is just as much of a swordsman as zoro or mihawk. Something that would be true if you stop reading the fight at that point

The first things cabaji does after accepting the sword duel is spit fire in zoro’s face and kick him. Something I think we can all agree isn’t part of swordsmanship

With zoro outright saying he’s going to show him what real swordplay looks like. Obviously calling him out on all his bullshit tactics that have nothing to do with swordsmanship

At the same time despite cabaji barely doing any real swordsmanship just due to the fact he himself claims to be one is enough for zoro. Basically even tho you don’t actually practice swordsmanship if you claim to be one anyway is enough of a reason for zoro to need to beat your ass and show you what it really looks like

After all the circus tricks shit cabaji himself essentially admits and agrees what he was doing before wasting swordsmanship. Him claiming that now he’s going to show off his real swordsmanship…right before before getting one shot

Syrup villagevs cat brothers
This fight emphasizing the difference between using a sword and having a sword style

At that point zoro makes it clear that after 2 of his swords were taken that he straight up wasn’t that good at “one sword style”. The “style” being important because it insinuates skill and technique

He also does so again when he lets them know using 3 swords =/= following 3 swords style are 2 very different things right before cutting them down

Baratie: zoro vs mihawk

We meet mihawk and we get a lot more insight on what it means to be a swordsman

There’s this which highlights again there’s more to being a swordsman than just swinging around a sword

The main highlight about swordsmanship tho is the unspoken code between swordsman. Emphasizing that swordsmanship is a type of lifestyle one lives by not just something everyone with a sword is

Arlong park: zoro vs hachi

Hachi the second strongest swordsman from fish man island behind hyouzou. He claims to be a master at 6 sword style and he actually has attacks dedicated to it that aren’t just him flailing his blades

He pretty much just shows the one but hey it’s better than most lol

At the same time while having a sword style he also isn’t limited to his swordsmanship. Him having no problem whatsoever punching, kicking, fighting, or whatever in conjunction or just straight up without his swords

So to sum it all up
Things important to being a swordsman

1. Using your actual swords
   • Punching kicking etc isn’t a part of swordsmanship lol
2. Claiming to be one
   • Doesn’t matter how actually skilled or not you are. Just claiming to be one is enough
3. Skill/style/technique
   • There’s a difference between using a sword and being a swordsman
4. Swordsman code
   • True swordsman honor a short of unspoken code between them and what being a swordsman means
5. Respecting and valuing your blades
   • Just wanted a 5th point to make it feel even
   • A true swordsman is going to respect their blade as a part of themselves not just a tool to use. Mutual respect between blade and user

Thank you @conq for enlightening me

There's no such thing as a true swordsman. Stop defining swordsman and swordsmanship based on your headcannon. Oda is the one who define swordsman and swordsmanship.

Swordsman and swordsmanship aren't defined by what only happened in East Blue. The One Piece world is much bigger than that. To understand swordsman and swordsmanship you must look at all the information provided to us.

Here are the most important things you must understand about swordsman:
- anyone can be a swordsman
- there's no such thing as a true swordsman
- you don't have to be called a swordsman to be one
- you don't need to possess a style or technique to be one
- haki and DF are part of swordsmanship/sword skill
- Punches and kicks are included (Kaku used his feet and King used his wing/arm)
- you don't need to possess a sword to be a swordsman (Kaku was a 4 sword swordman with only 2 swords)
- there's no right or wrong way to hold or use a sword

There is no correct way to be a swordman or using swordmanship. You can use whatever technique or style you want or have no style at all.

 

[Orojackson Refugee]

This dude on speedrun to make zoro threads

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Again shiryu is a swordsman man

He’s just not the type of guy fellow swordsmen or the honor/way of life of a swordsman the same way characters like zoro/mihawk are.

He’s a swordsman he just doesn’t live his life with the same honor a swordsman typically should. He’s a cheap grimy guy unlike them

They live their life based on that code/honor/lifestyle of a swordsman. He doesn’t. Which is fine cause he’s still a swordsman

But Mihawk was going to cut Zoro’s back… same way Shiryu cut Moriah’s back

what differentiates Shiryu and Mihawk?

 

[Malick the last Light]

Swordsmen cope

Alright you know what? Can we all get real for a sec?

Gun to every persons head that copes about swordsmen and their status. Turn of Agenda for five seconds and be honest with yourself.

If Zoro and Mihawk did not exist would you or for that matter ANYBODY even question for a SECOND if Shanks was a swordsmen?

"b-but Shanks never said he is a swordsmen/muh King" man why did Oda even link Shanks with Mihawk then? Why give them ANY backstory? Why have Oda call out Mihawk having better swordsmanship than a guy who is not even a swordman according to you?

Shanks used his sword not only when clashing with Whitebeard, and not only used it to defend against Akainu, but his first and thus far ONLY named attack in the ENTIRE fucking Manga and Anime alike is a goddamn air slash attack with his SWORD!

Like, I am beyond playing this charade. The ONLY reason why people deny certain characters "swordsman" status is brain rot Agenda.

 

[Albino 👑]

But Mihawk was going to cut Zoro’s back… same way Shiryu cut Moriah’s back

what differentiates Shiryu and Mihawk?

Mihawk has honor
Mihawk and zoro were fighting. If zoro was unable to respond in time to block, dodge, or in this case turn around that’s on him for being weak

Shiryu will go out his way to sneak attack you when you’re not expecting it. He’s okay using cheap means and deception to cut you down

There’s an obvious difference between mihawk and shiryu when it comes to their honor as swordsman. You a mihawk fan should know that. Lumping him in with shiryu as 2 of the same when it comes to the code of swordsmen should be disrespectful

I got no problem calling mihawk a loser that gave up on his dream just like crocodile but mihawk obviously has honor and respects the art of swordsmenship

Alright you know what? Can we all get real for a sec?

Gun to every persons head that copes about swordsmen and their status. Turn of Agenda for five seconds and be honest with yourself.

If Zoro and Mihawk did not exist would you or for that matter ANYBODY even question for a SECOND if Shanks was a swordsmen?

"b-but Shanks never said he is a swordsmen/muh King" man why did Oda even link Shanks with Mihawk then? Why give them ANY backstory? Why have Oda call out Mihawk having better swordsmanship than a guy who is not even a swordman according to you?

Shanks used his sword not only when clashing with Whitebeard, and not only used it to defend against Akainu, but his first and thus far ONLY named attack in the ENTIRE fucking Manga and Anime alike is a goddamn air slash attack with his SWORD!

Like, I am beyond playing this charade. The ONLY reason why people deny certain characters "swordsman" status is brain rot Agenda.

There are in story differences between someone that uses a sword and someone that’s a swordsman
King and queen use swords they aren’t swordsman and didn’t claim to be. Oda as far as the east blue was defining what it means to be a swordsman through zoro and his battles

 

[Malick the last Light]

Mihawk has honor
There are in story differences between someone that uses a sword and someone that’s a swordsman
King and queen use swords they aren’t swordsman and didn’t claim to be. Oda as far as the east blue was defining what it means to be a swordsman through zoro and his battles

Okay, so since you never denied my initial read of the situation you DO indeed wish to claim its up in the air whether or not somebody like Shanks is a swordsman then? Did I get that right?

If so, why did Oda make Mihawks only rival a non-swordsman? And don’t fucking try and say “it was early installment weirdness” since why would Brannew pretty recently then use a non-swordsman like Shanks to compared Mihawks sword skill favorably towards.

Hell, why did Oda not give Shanks any other gimmick besides his sword and haki?

Unlike lets say Queen who is a cyborg with a dinosaur fruit and all sorts of bullshit gimmicks, and King, who is a Lunarian with fire powers and a dinosaur fruit, Shanks literally only has Haki and a sword. Through all Shanks has shown us, he is neither part of a super special race with secret hidden abilities, has any other sort of combat moves like martial skills or gimmicks nor has he eaten a devil fruit.

Even if he were to use a haki sussano like many memes/copers have been saying? Zoro literally uses Haki to grow to extra heads and four extra arms. He made a haki dragon to attack Kaido in both the Anime and Manga. He used Haki in a more esoteric way than ANYBODY else thus far in the setting if like Kaido says Asura is a haki move. And he is STILL a swordsman! Shanks has shown NOTHING as esoteric as Asura that he can do and yet HE is a haki-man while Zoro is a swordsman? That is stupid, like I am sorry it just is.

Quite frankly I am being generous in not calling Shanks a fraud for bullshit reasons like Mihawk haters often do for his lack of Haki feats and failing to just grow his arm back. Because by ALL evidence this is a feat that Pre-Time Skip Zoro has been shown to be able to do with Asura but for Shanks it was somehow a career altering injury that he never recovered from and is considered some great sacrifice.

If Haki-Man Shanks cant grow back one measly arm but Zoro all the way back before he even knew what the fuck Haki was grew 4 extra arms what does that tell you and other people making these sort of weird "swordsmanship" debates about what if anything constitutes a swordsmen?

Shanks could quite literally transform himself into a literal deity like Luffy for all I care, until the literal God King then shows me he can use martial arts, magic or for that matter ANY combat moves aside from using his sword?

I frankly do not give a shit if he, you, or anybody else on here calls him a swordsman. The fact he never does SHIT without Gryphon makes him as much of a swordsman as Zoro. Arguably more, since Zoro at least has feats of using stuff like his legs and no-swords style moves.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Shiryu will go out his way to sneak attack you when you’re not expecting it. He’s okay using cheap means and deception to cut you down

There’s an obvious difference between mihawk and shiryu when it comes to their honor as swordsman. You a mihawk fan should know that. Lumping him in with shiryu as 2 of the same when it comes to the code of swordsmen should be disrespectful

I got no problem calling mihawk a loser that gave up on his dream just like crocodile but mihawk obviously has honor and respects the art of swordsmenship

Moriah came to Teach’s island attacking all the fodder and challenging teach directly… This is also exactly what happened when Garp and crew came to the island and started punching everyone and blowing up buildings

Shiryu using his df to attack people who are attacking his island is not dishonorable

the problem here is that you somehow think swordsmen are part of this kind of separate class of humans that operate under these weird rules where like two people should look at each other, tell each other they are challenging one another, and then start the fight with this imaginary rule book in their minds and it’s suddenly dishonorable in their minds to do anything besides this

I can say Mihawk attacking Don krieg’s crew UNPROVOKED from absolutely nowhere is 1000 times more dishonorable than Shiryu using his DF to defend his island from people that are willingly coming to his island to attack him and his crew.

so again, what’s this about Honor?

I asked you to explicitly tell me what the swordsman code is you didn’t.

Then I asked you what’s the difference between Mihawk and shiryu and you’ve again failed to explain this

I asked you whether Zoro is shameful swordsman for having his sword destroyed multiple times and you didn’t answer that… yet Mihawk explicitly says it’s shameful for this to happen.

I asked where it’s stated that what Zoro says is the “TRUE” philosophy of swordsmanship that the rest of the universe has to follow or else they aren’t “TRUE” swordmen, and again you have nothing to say… I even brought up the fact that Zoro says and believes opposite things about swordsmanship at different times in the story yet you still think anything he says or thinks is truth

So how come Zoro can believe opposite things about swordsmanship like the difference between Koushiro and Kouzaburo’s sword teachings yet you claim everything he says or thinks is the truth?

 

[L57]

Moriah came to Teach’s island attacking all the fodder and challenging teach directly… This is also exactly what happened when Garp and crew came to the island and started punching everyone and blowing up buildings

Shiryu using his df to attack people who are attacking his island is not dishonorable

the problem here is that you somehow think swordsmen are part of this kind of separate class of humans that operate under these weird rules where like two people should look at each other, tell each other they are challenging one another, and then start the fight with this imaginary rule book in their minds and it’s suddenly dishonorable in their minds to do anything besides this

I can say Mihawk attacking Don krieg’s crew UNPROVOKED from absolutely nowhere is 1000 times more dishonorable than Shiryu using his DF to defend his island from people that are willing coming to his island to attack him and his crew.

so again, what’s this about Honor?

I asked you to explicitly tell me what the swordsman code is you didn’t.

Then I asked you what’s the difference between Mihawk and shiryu and you’ve against failed to explain this

I asked you whether Zoro is shameful swordsman for having his sword destroyed multiple times and you didn’t answer that… yet Mihawk explicitly says it’s shameful for this to happen.

I asked where it’s stated that what Zoro says is the “TRUE” philosophy of swordsmanship that the rest of the universe has to follow or else they aren’t “TRUE” swordmen, and again you have nothing to say… I even brought up the fact that Zoro says and believes opposite things about swordsmanship at different times in the story yet you still think anything he says or thinks is truth

So how come Zoro can believe opposite things about swordsmanship yet you claim everything he says or thinks is the truth?

Bro zoro attacked apoo in the back to but apoo dodged
@Albino 👑 clown

 

[gz89]

Lbino turned into a punch bag here.
He brought this on himself.

 

[CbShadow]

Mihawk has honor
Mihawk and zoro were fighting. If zoro was unable to respond in time to block, dodge, or in this case turn around that’s on him for being weak

Shiryu will go out his way to sneak attack you when you’re not expecting it. He’s okay using cheap means and deception to cut you down

There’s an obvious difference between mihawk and shiryu when it comes to their honor as swordsman. You a mihawk fan should know that. Lumping him in with shiryu as 2 of the same when it comes to the code of swordsmen should be disrespectful

I got no problem calling mihawk a loser that gave up on his dream just like crocodile but mihawk obviously has honor and respects the art of swordsmenship

There are in story differences between someone that uses a sword and someone that’s a swordsman
King and queen use swords they aren’t swordsman and didn’t claim to be. Oda as far as the east blue was defining what it means to be a swordsman through zoro and his battles

Oda didn't stop defining swordsman after east blue. He gave swordsman philosophy back then and and continues to give us swordsman philosophy.

King is a swordsman. He never said he wasn't one. The point to that whole conversation was for us to understand you don't need to be called one or use a style to be one.

Mihawk gave up on his dream (beat Roger) because his dream died (executed). It should be clear by now that Mihawk's dream to become Pirate King was about beating Roger a swordsman, not by finding One Piece. After Roger was executed his dream died because he can't fight a dead man. He doesn't care about finding one piece.

 

[Albino 👑]

Okay, so since you never denied my initial read of the situation you DO indeed wish to claim its up in the air whether or not somebody like Shanks is a swordsman then? Did I get that right?

If so, why did Oda make Mihawks only rival a non-swordsman? And don’t fucking try and say “it was early installment weirdness” since why would Brannew pretty recently then use a non-swordsman like Shanks to compared Mihawks sword skill favorably towards.

Hell, why did Oda not give Shanks any other gimmick besides his sword and haki?

Unlike lets say Queen who is a cyborg with a dinosaur fruit and all sorts of bullshit gimmicks, and King, who is a Lunarian with fire powers and a dinosaur fruit, Shanks literally only has Haki and a sword. Through all Shanks has shown us, he is neither part of a super special race with secret hidden abilities, has any other sort of combat moves like martial skills or gimmicks nor has he eaten a devil fruit.

Even if he were to use a haki sussano like many memes/copers have been saying? Zoro literally uses Haki to grow to extra heads and four extra arms. He made a haki dragon to attack Kaido in both the Anime and Manga. He used Haki in a more esoteric way than ANYBODY else thus far in the setting if like Kaido says Asura is a haki move. And he is STILL a swordsman! Shanks has shown NOTHING as esoteric as Asura that he can do and yet HE is a haki-man while Zoro is a swordsman? That is stupid, like I am sorry it just is.

Quite frankly I am being generous in not calling Shanks a fraud for bullshit reasons like Mihawk haters often do for his lack of Haki feats and failing to just grow his arm back. Because by ALL evidence this is a feat that Pre-Time Skip Zoro has been shown to be able to do with Asura but for Shanks it was somehow a career altering injury that he never recovered from and is considered some great sacrifice.

If Haki-Man Shanks cant grow back one measly arm but Zoro all the way back before he even knew what the fuck Haki was grew 4 extra arms what does that tell you and other people making these sort of weird "swordsmanship" debates about what if anything constitutes a swordsmen?

Shanks could quite literally transform himself into a literal deity like Luffy for all I care, until the literal God King then shows me he can use martial arts, magic or for that matter ANY combat moves aside from using his sword?

I frankly do not give a shit if he, you, or anybody else on here calls him a swordsman. The fact he never does SHIT without Gryphon makes him as much of a swordsman as Zoro. Arguably more, since Zoro at least has feats of using stuff like his legs and no-swords style moves.

We don’t know shanks full fighting style
We don’t know how much more shanks can be capable of

Moriah came to Teach’s island attacking all the fodder and challenging teach directly… This is also exactly what happened when Garp and crew came to the island and started punching everyone and blowing up buildings

Shiryu using his df to attack people who are attacking his island is not dishonorable

the problem here is that you somehow think swordsmen are part of this kind of separate class of humans that operate under these weird rules where like two people should look at each other, tell each other they are challenging one another, and then start the fight with this imaginary rule book in their minds and it’s suddenly dishonorable in their minds to do anything besides this

I can say Mihawk attacking Don krieg’s crew UNPROVOKED from absolutely nowhere is 1000 times more dishonorable than Shiryu using his DF to defend his island from people that are willingly coming to his island to attack him and his crew.

so again, what’s this about Honor?

I asked you to explicitly tell me what the swordsman code is you didn’t.

Then I asked you what’s the difference between Mihawk and shiryu and you’ve again failed to explain this

I asked you whether Zoro is shameful swordsman for having his sword destroyed multiple times and you didn’t answer that… yet Mihawk explicitly says it’s shameful for this to happen.

I asked where it’s stated that what Zoro says is the “TRUE” philosophy of swordsmanship that the rest of the universe has to follow or else they aren’t “TRUE” swordmen, and again you have nothing to say… I even brought up the fact that Zoro says and believes opposite things about swordsmanship at different times in the story yet you still think anything he says or thinks is truth

So how come Zoro can believe opposite things about swordsmanship like the difference between Koushiro and Kouzaburo’s sword teachings yet you claim everything he says or thinks is the truth?

Ain’t I supposed to be the mihawk hater lol

Mihawk has honor and pride as a swordsman. He has respect for the art of swordsmanship. He lives by the way the sword
Him fighting fodder doesn’t mean he doesn’t have pride lol

Shiryu is a cheap cheater that uses deception and tricky to attack his opponent. He’d go out of his way to attack someone unguarded and not paying attention

Mihawk isnt fuckin shiryu lol
Mihawk has honor
Shiryu doesn’t

Bro zoro attacked apoo in the back to but apoo dodged
@Albino 👑 clown

And there’s nothing wrong with that lol. They were fighting and apoo knew that. Him deciding to run away and turn his back is on him not zoro. Same way mihawk and zoro were fighting

Why are y’all pretending mihawk and zoro are just as bad as shiryu lol

Oda didn't stop defining swordsman after east blue. He gave swordsman philosophy back then and and continues to give us swordsman philosophy.

King is a swordsman. He never said he wasn't one. The point to that whole conversation was for us to understand you don't need to be called one or use a style to be one.

Mihawk gave up on his dream (beat Roger) because his dream died (executed). It should be clear by now that Mihawk's dream to become Pirate King was about beating Roger a swordsman, not by finding One Piece. After Roger was executed his dream died because he can't fight a dead man. He doesn't care about finding one piece.

King isn’t a swordsman and doesn’t claim to be one. Zoro also doesn’t claim he is

The whole fight highlighted the obvious

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Ain’t I supposed to be the mihawk hater lol

Mihawk has honor and pride as a swordsman. He has respect for the art of swordsmanship. He lives by the way the sword
Him fighting fodder doesn’t mean he doesn’t have pride lol

Shiryu is a cheap cheater that uses deception and tricky to attack his opponent. He’d go out of his way to attack someone unguarded and not paying attention

Mihawk isnt fuckin shiryu lol
Mihawk has honor
Shiryu doesn’t

I don’t care what you hate or love.

I want consistency. Not from Oda. From you. Because you’re the one claiming you can explain all these things. Oda hasn’t ever said he has explained these things. Oda has even refused to explain is primary power system, Haki. That’s how much Oda doesn’t explain anything in his story, we’re 1120 chapters into the story and we don’t actually know the full nature of the power system the main character are even using

But apparently you’ve cracked the code. You know how everything fits together. So now it’s time to explain every little thing since you knows how everything works apparently.

I do not accept your explanation regarding Mihawk. I think mihawk is MORE dishonorable for attacking people who aren’t even attacking him compared to Shiryu who on panel was shown only attacking people who are attacking him.

you've not made any case here. You just repeated the same words. And so I will also repeat the same questions I asked before… let me copy and paste this real quick

I asked you to explicitly tell me what the swordsman code is you didn’t.

Then I asked you what’s the difference between Mihawk and shiryu and you’ve again failed to explain this

I asked you whether Zoro is shameful swordsman for having his sword destroyed multiple times and you didn’t answer that… yet Mihawk explicitly says it’s shameful for this to happen.

I asked where it’s stated that what Zoro says is the “TRUE” philosophy of swordsmanship that the rest of the universe has to follow or else they aren’t “TRUE” swordmen, and again you have nothing to say… I even brought up the fact that Zoro says and believes opposite things about swordsmanship at different times in the story yet you still think anything he says or thinks is truth

So how come Zoro can believe opposite things about swordsmanship like the difference between Koushiro and Kouzaburo’s sword teachings yet you claim everything he says or thinks is the truth?

 

[CbShadow]

We don’t know shanks full fighting style
We don’t know how much more shanks can be capable of

Ain’t I supposed to be the mihawk hater lol

Mihawk has honor and pride as a swordsman. He has respect for the art of swordsmanship. He lives by the way the sword
Him fighting fodder doesn’t mean he doesn’t have pride lol

Shiryu is a cheap cheater that uses deception and tricky to attack his opponent. He’d go out of his way to attack someone unguarded and not paying attention

Mihawk isnt fuckin shiryu lol
Mihawk has honor
Shiryu doesn’t

And there’s nothing wrong with that lol. They were fighting and apoo knew that. Him deciding to run away and turn his back is on him not zoro. Same way mihawk and zoro were fighting

Why are y’all pretending mihawk and zoro are just as bad as shiryu lol

King isn’t a swordsman and doesn’t claim to be one. Zoro also doesn’t claim he is

The whole fight highlighted the obvious

Wrong.

King never stated he wasn't a swordsman. He just doesn't believe you need a title or possess a style to fight.

When it comes to Oda statement about Shanks, he was just saying he doesn't know the type of sword style he will have Shanks use. IE: Will Oda have Shanks use haki blast to stun his opponents to create openings for his swords attacks? Will he have Shanks heavily rely on FS to make up for losing his left arm?

If he made that same statement about Kaku most people would have never guessed Oda would have Kaku use is two legs in place of swords.

 

[Marimo_420]

There are in story differences between someone that uses a sword and someone that’s a swordsman
King and queen use swords they aren’t swordsman and didn’t claim to be. Oda as far as the east blue was defining what it means to be a swordsman through zoro and his battles

? What kind of logic is that.

King is a Lunarian who
- can control fire
- has the highest defence in the world
- can fly
- has an ancient df
- can literally distort his body to shoot lasers like attacks through his head.
- can implode causing mountain level explosions.

His swordmanship merely enhances his multiple fighting style. It's not his core.

While calling Queen, a swordsman is even more disingenious.

Bro is an Obese cyborg who
- likes using his headbutt and constriction (his two strongest attacks) reliant on his df
- can literally detach his head from his body
- has multiple germa carbon copy attacks and effects, and also lasers
- is adept at biological warfare (poisons and viruses)

He hasn't even used his sword for anything other than trying to cut Sanjis head at "deaths door" lol.


Now that hakimanship argument is gone out of the window, you are resorting to "muh principles" to try and cope for Shanks, while pretending he stands in the same bracket as the two aforementioned characters?




When Shanks reveals his ancient rat df, carrying the black plauge that wiped out the world 800 years ago, I can discard him as a swordsman.

But not right now. Right now he only has haki and swords. Just like Zoro and Mihawk. 😢

 

[JoNdule]

Shiryu has no honour

 

[Albino 👑]

Shiryu has no honour

Nah you don’t get it Mihawk is an even more dishonorable cheater. Shiryu is a saint in comparison

He probably got his title by poisoning the previous and stabbing them in sleep. Good guy Shiryu would never



The face of a man you can trust


The face of a man you can’t trust around your family

 

[HA001]

Nah you don’t get it Mihawk is an even more dishonorable cheater. Shiryu is a saint in comparison

He probably got his title by poisoning the previous and stabbing them in sleep. Good guy Shiryu would never



The face of a man you can trust


The face of a man you can’t trust around your family

🤡, you getting bitchslapped on your own thread try respond to them instead of playing touch butt with noodle